Hi Elaine Nice to hear from you again. Of course anything on my Ebbs is always appreciated & thanks so much for thinking of me, however, now I really have a bit of confusion going on. Your mention of J.F. Ebbs reminded me that I have been looking for a J.F. Ebbs. How do you know this is the son of Emanuel & Mary, in CA & I know this says wife but could this Annie possibly be Jeremiah's daughter? Wait, rather then go by my [poor] memory I am not going to mention that might be his daughter Annie until I look back to see what dates & such I have for her for less confusion later. I'm including Lois & Jean in this, they are coming in on the Ward side & I'm looking for all the help I can get on this one. Cindy I am including you since we've found some new Ward descendants & I believe that the Ward's are from your area of expertise & I would like to include you on some of our up coming conversations on the Wards also. I have Jeremiah Ebbs b. Abt. 1838 in PA married to Sarah H. b. 1831 in PA. Children of Ellsworth J., Maria Elizabeth (Lizzie), John Wilson & Anna M. [ I am wondering what Ellsworth's middle name might have been? Anyone know? I wonder if the name James would fit in there?] On Jeremiah Ebbs 06/21/1880 census in Halfmoon Twp., Centre Co., PA. I have Ebbs, Jeremiah 42, Farmer. Sarah H. 49. Ellsworth J. 18. Lizzie M. 16. Wilson J. 15, Laborer. Anna M. 11. James 83, Carpenter, b. England, parents from England. [They were living next door to Jeremiah's sister Nancy.] Cornelious, George 50. Laborer from PA. Nancy 44. Thomas, Lytle 7, nephew. Maria Ebbs 70, mother-in-law. These two census records are surely odd. The similarities might make you think that they might have been the same family just visiting someone one of those two days, but why would they both be head of household? Next all census records tell me that Jeremiah was a plasterer, but in my records I for some reason did not go any further then 1880 for Jeremiah so I am thinking I might not have been able to find him. On this same 1880 census I have: 06/25/1880 Ferguson Twp., Centre Co., PA. Ebbs, J. F. Plasterer 42. S. Hannah 48. [Would everyone agree that the next child would be James E.? Jno E.?] Jms E. 19, plasterer, Jno W. 15, plasterer apprentice. Annie 11. [Notes:Does anyone know what Sarah's [Jeremiah's wife's] maiden name was or who her parents were? James was another son of Emanuel I's. I have conflicting dates as to if he was actually older or younger then Emanuel. Does anyone know?] I also had a Sarah Hannah somewhere but it does not seem to be jumping out at me here, so I guess perhaps that must not be her. Next I also have another son of Emanuel Ebbs II named John H. birth about 1840 in PA married 12/26/1854 in Baileyville, Huntingdon, Co., PA to Sara Ward. A little odd but what isn't in this business. Could one of these two Ebbs actually be John. Does anyone have John H.'s middle name or know what happened to him? I don't have any information on this Sara Ward. Does anyone know what her middle name was? Does anyone have her birth or death information? Was she John M. Ward's sister & the daughter of Simon Ward & Elizabeth Sellers? Ok, I've long ran out of time for the evening. I certainly hope with everyone included we will be able to pull some answers together here. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: elaine kahler To: slbearer@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Ebbs tidbit Hello - I'm not sure when I last emailed you - December, January? At any rate, I just stumbled across an obituary that fits into the Ebbs line - The following is for Annie E. Ebbs, second wife of Jeremiah Ebbs. Jeremiah was the son of Emanuel Ebbs Jr and Mary Maria Kagarise. Jeremiah's first wife, Sarah, must have died prior to 1900, as I find him in the census records with Annie as of 1900. Death notice from the Los Angeles Times, Los Angeles, California, November 24, 1913: "Ebbs - November 22, 1913, at No. 1284 North Hudson Avenue, Pasadena, Annie E. Ebbs, aged 64 years, wife of J. F. Ebbs. "Funeral services at 2:30 p.m. Monday, November 24, 1913 at parlors of Turner & Stevens Co, Pasadena." I do not have a death date nor an obituary for Jeremiah. I think he died between 1924 (he is listed on the California Voter List that year) and 1930 (he is not in the census that year). So, this is not much to add, but I thought you might want it. Elaine Kahler