Susan - I do not know the surname of either of Jeremiah's wives. But, from re-reading your email, it appears  you've found Jeremiah Ebbs enumerated twice in the 1880 census.  What I tried to do what highlight the family names that were the same in the two census records that you listed, below. Wilson John was one of Jeremiah's children.  I am guessing, from the double enumeration, that Ellsworth's middle name was James. And, from what you've found, I would make a jump that Jeremiah's first wife, Sarah, was Sarah Hannah. I have found many individuals enumerated twice, in slightly different places - maybe they were working in that area or living with another family member while working in that area?  I don't know. Here is what I've found for Jeremiah, son of Emanuel Ebbs and Mary Maria Kagarise, after 1880: 1900 Allegheny Co, Wilkinsburg, PA Census - ED 529, Sheet 1, Line 34: Living at 1021 South Avenue Ebbs, Jeremiah F.        age 62    b. Apr 1838    plasterer        married 12 years     wife Anna E.    age 50    b. Nov 1849            2/3 children still living Both born in PA. Jeremiah's father was born in England and his mother was born in Germany. (This contradicts earlier information.) Anna must be Jeremiah's second wife. 1910 Los Angeles Co, 5th Ward, Pasadena, CA Census - Sheet 113: Living at 1255 N. Lake Avenue Ebbs, Jeremiah F.        age 71    married 22 years        both parents born in OH     wife Anna E.    age 60    2/3 children still living Both born in PA. 1916 Voter list for Pasadena, Precinct 9, Los Angeles, California: Jeremiah F. Ebbs, retired. 1375 Prime Court 1920 Los Angeles Co, Pasadena, CA Census - ED 496, Sheet 10B: Scripps Home for Aged people Ebbs, Jeremiah        age 82        b. PA    widowed        parents both born in OH [Parents birth places incorrect.  Jeremiah is living in Los Angeles as is his son Ellsworth) 1924 Voter list for Altadena Precinct 4, Los Angeles, California: Jeremiah E. Ebbs, retired, Calaveras Street ********* Here is son Ellsworth - notice he shows up in California also: 1900 Allegheny Co, City of Wilkinsburg, PA Census - ED 530, Sheet 2 Living at 801 Franklin Street. Ebbs, Ellsworth J.        age 38    b. Aug 1861 in PA        plasterer     wife Charlotte A.    age 43    b. July 1856 in PA +1 servant and 9 boarders. Married 17 years. 1920 Blair Co, Altoona Twp, PA Census (ED 43, Sheet 18B): Ebbs, Elsworth J.        age 58        insider plasterer 1930 Los Angeles, Long Beach, CA Census - ED 1074, Sheet 13B: Ebbs, Ellsworth J.        age 68    lodger    widowed        window cleaning Married at age 22. 1932 Voter List Pasadena, Precinct 5, Los Angeles, California Ellsworth J. Ebbs, 1055 E. Villa Street Jeremiah's second wife, Annie, is listed as his wife.  She also was born in an earlier year, than his daughter Annie.  (1849 vs 1869) I don't have any information on John H. Ebbs and a marriage to Sara Ward or Catherine Waring - so I will have to relook at that information.  That would be new information for my files. Elaine   How do you know this is the son of Emanuel & Mary, in CA & I know this says wife but could this Annie possibly be Jeremiah's daughter?     I have Jeremiah Ebbs b.  Abt. 1838 in PA married to Sarah H.  b. 1831 in PA.  Children of Ellsworth J., Maria Elizabeth (Lizzie), John Wilson & Anna M.  [ I am wondering what Ellsworth's middle name might have been?  Anyone know?  I wonder if the name James would fit in there?]   On Jeremiah Ebbs 06/21/1880 census in Halfmoon Twp., Centre Co., PA.  I have Ebbs, Jeremiah 42, Farmer.  Sarah H. 49.  Ellsworth J. 18.  Lizzie M. 16.  Wilson J. 15, Laborer.  Anna M. 11.  James 83, Carpenter, b. England, parents from England.   On this same 1880 census I have:    06/25/1880 Ferguson Twp.,  Centre Co., PA.  Ebbs, J. F. Plasterer 42.  S. Hannah 48.  [Would everyone agree that the next child would be James E.?  Jno E.?] Jms E. 19, plasterer,  Jno W.  15, plasterer apprentice.  Annie 11.   [Notes:Does anyone know what Sarah's [Jeremiah's wife's] maiden name was or who her parents were?  James was another son of Emanuel I's.  I have conflicting dates as to if he was actually older or younger then Emanuel.  Does anyone know?]  I also had a Sarah Hannah somewhere but it does not seem to be jumping out at me here, so I guess perhaps that must not be her.  Next I also have another son of Emanuel Ebbs II named John H.  birth about 1840 in PA married 12/26/1854 in Baileyville, Huntingdon, Co., PA to Sara Ward.    A little odd but what isn't in this business.  Could one of these two Ebbs actually be John.  Does anyone have John H.'s middle name or know what happened to him?   I don't have any information on this Sara Ward.  Does anyone know what her middle name was?  Does anyone have her birth or death information?  Was she John M. Ward's sister & the daughter of Simon Ward & Elizabeth Sellers?    Ok, I've long ran out of time for the evening.  I certainly hope with everyone included we will be able to pull some answers together here.    Susan     ----- Original Message ----- From: elaine kahler To: slbearer@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Ebbs tidbit Hello - I'm not sure when I last emailed you - December, January? At any rate, I just stumbled across an obituary that fits into the Ebbs line - The following is for Annie E. Ebbs, second wife of Jeremiah Ebbs. Jeremiah was the son of Emanuel Ebbs Jr and Mary Maria Kagarise. Jeremiah's first wife, Sarah, must have died prior to 1900, as I find him in the census records with Annie as of 1900. Death notice from the Los Angeles Times, Los Angeles, California, November 24, 1913: "Ebbs - November 22, 1913, at No. 1284 North Hudson Avenue, Pasadena, Annie E. Ebbs, aged 64 years, wife of J. F. Ebbs. "Funeral services at 2:30 p.m. Monday, November 24, 1913 at parlors of Turner & Stevens Co, Pasadena." I do not have a death date nor an obituary for Jeremiah.  I think he died between 1924 (he is listed on the California Voter List that year) and 1930 (he is not in the census that year). So, this is not much to add, but I thought you might want it. Elaine Kahler