Thanks for answering. His is my John or Jacob confusion. According to Ted McWilliams' notes, Cynthia's father's name was Jacob. Also Ted said Cynthia was a first cousin of President William McKinley. Cynthia lived 84 years. Penciled note say Cynthia's father was Joseph. Typed Notes from Mrs. J. Lightner (Ethel), Grove City, PA dated 2/5/79. Page 8 and 9, "We now return to Samuel Lightner who was the fourth child of Adam [1] and his wife Nancy. Samuel married and came to a farm midway between Slippery Rock in Butler County and North Liberty in Mercer County, a farm known for the many past years as the Benjamin Campbell farm. Here he erected a splendid brick house and reared his little family. His children were as follows: Hezekiah, Sophia, Mary."*** "His wife dying, he sent back to Huntingdon County for his sister, Nancy, to come home and keep house for him. Nancy came and remained in his home until her marriage to John Albin. Later on, Samuel married Cynthia Zeigler, a woman much younger than himself, who became the mother of the following: ___ married Joseph Campbell, and one son Charles; Samuel, John, Della. " We now return to the children by his first wife." [ pmm NOTES; In one area I had April**** as her birth month, in another Oct.**** More research.] "Jacob Ziegler - Grove City, Pa. My Great-Grandfather [Jacob] (owned land on which Center Church is built.); Uncle John Rose - taught in Grove City academy; Uncle Mark Rose; Frank Woods - Cass Woods; Mark Ziegler, Dixon, IL; Harriett Connor; Susan Taylor; Elizabeth Smith; Cynthia Ziegler married Samuel Lightner (Grandfather), Peggy Jane Infield; Rebecca Crill." Rose Family Assn. notes has Louisa Elizabeth Rose b. 1804 m. John Zigler. Among their children - Cynthia. Joseph? John? or Jacob? Phyllis M. McWilliams