Thank you Kim for the information on James L. Lightner b1825. I did have his name, his parent's name but I had James Edwin Lightner born 30 Sep 1856. This from Ethel Lightner. As the Lightner's are part of my husband's male line, I love comparing information. I have Gay Lightner's husband as Frank Ray. No further information of either of them. Are the Lightner's your main line or just side family? Phyllis Mock McWilliams