I really don't know. I have these dates and information that I gave to the list, but I don't have any documentation as to where I got them from. I believe I wrote them down out of his obituary in 1994, but I can't be for sure. My mom was the one who recently clued me into his brothers and the fact that he died in a state hospital. I am positive that he was in Lycoming County by 1916, because almost all 14 of his children were born in Lycoming. Some I know for sure because I do have their obituaries. I really couldn't tell you if that's the correct hospital or not. I tried looking up John Henry Paulus in the Social Security Death Index and never found him, and that's when my mom said that she was surprised, since he died in a State Hospital. It's likely they lived in Maryland. It's likely I could be wrong about his birth place or his marriage place, or any of his information. I am desperately seeking cousins who are somewhere out there on the internet. Those I met in 1994 refuse to reply to any of my "snail mail", aside from sending a signed (but no letter) Christmas card. My grandmother is lucid at some times and other times she says she's packing up to go help her mother with the children. Her mother and all but 2 of her siblings have been deceased for years. Or just any tidbit. I'm sorry that I don't know for sure, but this is what I have so far, and I really hope that something looks familiar to someone out there. Loni -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: (no subject) Loni, Could you be looking in wrong county for John Henry Paules? I don't have enough information to steer you correctly, but there is a Silver Springs on the Carlisle Pike on the way from Harrisburg to Carlisle. You mentioned a cemetery near Carlisle, PA, and Silver Springs is not too far away. Also you mentioned he was married in Hagerstown, MD which is also not too far away. Also you mentioned that he died in a State Hospital. There is a large State Hospital at 11th and Maclay in Harrisburg, PA Carlisle is the county seat for Cumberland Co. Let me know if I can help and also if this puts you on the right path. Eldred