Wonderful! Thanks very much Georgette. That is indeed them in 1870. I had them in E. Pennsborough Twp., Cumberland Co. in 1880. The 1860 occ. of coachmaker ties in with an 1850 census account I have of a John Werly, single, 24, coachmaker, living in the household of Stephen (saddler, age 22) & Anna Werly in Weisenberg Twp. Fred