I have a mystery and could use some help. I know census records are unreliable but for the life of me I can't figure this one out. Gr-Gr-Gr-Grandpa Daniel George Ramsey seems to have outlived his probate record by 11 years. Are there two Daniel and Susannah Ramsey families? or did someone simply give the wrong info? Rebecca -------- Name: Daniel George RAMSEY Father: George Ramsey (b. ca 1744, Scotland-1777) Mother: Elizabeth Charcote (b. ca 1755-aft 1810) Birth 1776 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Census 1790 (age 14) Census 1800 (age 24) Census 1810 (age 34) Upper Milford, Northampton,Pennsylvania Census 1820 (age 44)Washington, Lycoming, Pennsylvania Census 1830 (age 54) Connoquenessing, Butler, Pennsylvania Death bef Aug 1839 (age 63) Lancaster, Butler, Pennsylvania Probate 1 Aug 1839 (age 63) Butler County, Pennsylvania Census 1840 Connoquenessing, Butler, Pennsylvania5 Census 4 Sep 1850 West Connoquenessing, Butler, Pennsylvania Marriage(s) 1. Susannah WEISS Marriage: abt 1800 place unknown Children Heinrich "Henry" RAMSEY (1801 - 1830) George RAMSEY (19 Mar 1804 - aft 1840) Jacob G. RAMSEY (2 Sep 1805 - aft 1870) Elizabeth RAMSEY (22 Nov 1806 - aft 1850) Samuel RAMSEY (1807 - aft 1880) John RAMSEY (2 Feb 1809 - aft 1830) Susannah RAMSEY (1814 - aft 1880) Sarah RAMSEY (bet 1812 and 1818 - aft 1860) Isaac RAMSEY (16 Apr 1817 - 9 Mar 1899) ------- Note: good possibility!! 1790 Census Martick Twp., Lancaster Co., PA Widow Ramsey 1 male > 16 (Daniel would be about 14) 1 female (Elizabeth, Daniel's mother) -------------------- Note: unsure if this is the correct family! 1800 Census South Ward of Philadelphia Twp., Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania 1 male age 16-26 (Daniel, age 24) 2 males age < 45 ??? 1 female age < 10 ??? 3 females age < 26 (Susannah, Daniel's wife, age 21) 2 female > age 45 (Elizabeth, Daniel's mom, age 45) ----------- 1810 Census: Upper Milford, Northampton, Pennsylvania Household # 073 Daniel Rensey 4 males under age 10 (Henry, George, Jacob, Samuel) 1 male, under age 45 (Daniel, age 34) 1 female, under age 10 (Elizabeth, age 55) 1 female, under age 45 (Susannah, age 31) --------------- Census: 1820 Census Washington, Lycoming, Pennsylvania #117 Ramsey, Daniel 2 males ages up to 10 (John [11] and Isaac [3]) 2 males ages 10-16 (Jacob [15], Samuel [13]) 1 male age 16-18 (George, age 16) 1 male age 16-26 (Heinrich, age 19) 1 male age 26-45 (Daniel, age 44) 2 female ages up to 10 (Susannah [6], Sarah [4-8]) 1 female age 10-16 (Elizabeth, age 14) 1 female age 26-45 (Susannah, age 41) --------------- http://www.rootsweb.com/~pabutler/1895/95x55.htm Lancaster County In 1819 came David STAUFFER, from Westmoreland county, and Daniel RAMSEY, from Adams or Cranberry township. Note: There was a Daniel Ramsey in Cranberry Twp, but I don't think this is my Daniel. I think he's from the Irish (my phrase) Ramsey family. There's a James Ramsey that came from Ireland and I think this Daniel is part of that family. ------------------ Confirm: 1823 Name: Remsy, Daniel Description: Father Event: Baptism Church: Records of Upper Milford Reformed Congregation (Zion's Reformed Church), Zionsville, Lehigh County, Pennsylvania, 1757-1885 --------------- Census: 1830 Census: Connoquenissing, Butler, Pennsylvania 059 1 male, age 10-15 Isaac {13} 1 male, age 15-20 John {21} 2 males, ages 20-30 Jacob {25}, Samuel {23} 1 male, age 50-60 Daniel George Ramsey {54} ..................... 1 female, age 10-15 Susannah {14} 1 female, age 15-20 Sarah {16} 1 female, age 20-30 Elizabeth {20} 1 female, age 40-50 Susannah (51} ------------------- Probate: August 1839 Wife: Susan Ramsey Son: Isaac Ramsey Son: Samuel Ramsey Son: Jacob Ramsey Dtr: Sarah Siegfried - wife of Charles Dtr: Susan Dillcum - wife of Benjamin Dtr: Elizabeth Ruby - wife of Moses Grandson: Solomon Ramsey, son of Henry Grandson; John Ramsey, son of Henry Grandson: Phillip Ramsey, son of Henry ----------- 1840 Census Connoquenissing Twp., Butler County, Pennsylvania Daniel Ramsey: head of Household male age 15-20: 1 (probably a grandson) male age 60-70: 1 (Daniel?) female age 60-70: 1 (Susannah) ----------- Census: 4 Sep 1850 West Connoquenessing, Butler, Pennsylvania Dwelling # 150, Family # 150 Daniel Ramsey, age 70, b. PA Susannah Ramsey, age 68, b. PA ----------------