Mike, Sorry I did not answer sooner, but had some other things that were pressing. When you mentioned Elizabeth Guth I answered you. When you also mentioned Andrew Wieder, that's where you got into my family. His father was Leonard Wieder and mother Susanna Steininger. I am a direct descendent of Leonard Wieder and John Adam Wieder the first. Next Maria Magdalena was the daughter of J. Michael Wieder and Eva Lehr or Leohr. Just thought I would mention this in reply. As far a Henrich Guth is concerned, I have him listed as having 9 children, but no names of the children. Is this in your file? I will check the web site you gave in your e-mail. Anna in AZ <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.