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    1. Re: [PALEHIGH-L] GENEALOGICAL SUICIDE
    2. Frances G. Rouse
    3. DAve, I like what you suggested and would like to see guidlines for on line research published. I try not to plagerize others work and don't like it when mine is used,however, many people are novices with genealogy computer programs and have a very difficult time removing information they don't want in the family tree projects. I use Family Tree Maker 4.4 and Ultimate Family Tree, neither program allows you to cull the family index with any ease. This is one of the primary complaints, I have about these programs. Frances

    04/11/1998 07:57:40
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] GENEALOGICAL SUICIDE
    2. David H. Smith, Sr.
    3. To all genealogists, I have been very concerned lately about the destruction of our hobby. The fate of genealogy is being written as we speak and it is in your hands to stop it. WHY THIS SUDDEN ALARM? Our data is being destroyed by two cancers known as "CUT AND PASTE" and "MERGE". ONLINE GENEALOGY I began my online genealogy in 1981, the reason for purchase of my first computer. Soon after I reasoned that if I could just afford that 3MB hard drive at Radio Shack for only $5000.00 my problems would be over, now at 6GB I am running out of space. I used to prowl around courthouse attics and weed covered graveyards to uncover a choice treasure now and then with great anticipation and joy. Now I can get a hundred times more info in an hour or two. So much so I haven't even had the time to read most of it, let alone put it into my own database. Which leads me to my point. CUT AND PASTE Being involved in keeping a Family Website, I get many requests for information, and some criticism as well. There are two camps. One thinks every fact needs to be on the Two Tablets Moses brought down from the mountains. The other thinks that if it is in ASCII it's proof enough. I have submitted my own tree to the WFT Project, most of which was my own work. Hoping to find corroborating works I check other trees often, only to discover my own work pasted into someone else's tree. THIS PRACTICE IS DESTROYING ONLINE GENEALOGY. FIRST, it gives undue validity. When one piece of erroneous information becomes 1000 pieces of the same erroneous information, it takes on a life of it's own and an enearned "truth". SECOND, it clutters up the internet search engines with hundreds of links to the same bogus info. When someone does try to verify a fact, they can't wade through the countless references. THIRD, file sizes are increased to the point of unmanageablility with the same, tired, redundant information, even when true. This makes sharing impractical. FOURTH, it discourages people with genuinely obtained first generation info from releasing it. FIFTH, if carried to it's logical conclusion, everyone will have the same file. All of them wrong. SIXTH, it makes compiling huge trees all too easy. SEVENTH, it makes it impossible to tell whether you are seeing a corroborating opinion of your data or a repeat of it. EXAMPLES Great database services, like GENSERV and the World Family Tree project, although well conceived and of great potential, are being ruined by well meaning genealogists who seed them with redundant information gathered from those very same databases. Private websites, including my own, have been swamped by large file sizes which are largely repeat information. (This was a result of my own policy, which I have rethought, so no criticism intended) Believe it or not I have been offered "Family Trees" in excess of 75 MB and over 125,000 names. I foolishly submitted some trees to add to this pile of spaghetti. WHAT CAN WE DO? I propose creating a guide for online genealogists. A compilation of voluntary "rules of the road". Netiquette for the Genealogist. To this end I am offering a few sample suggestions of my own to get the ball rolling. Please send your comments, criticisms, suggestions, pros and cons to me personally. (I do not subscribe to ALL the lists above) After compilation of the ideas, I will submit them for a vote. Success will be determined by the level of participation. Please submit ideas by April 24th. SUGGESTIONS If you have undocumented info to share, state that it is speculation. If you receive that information, paste it into your own file if you choose, but DO NOT redistribute it with your file. Instead, keep it as a separate entity. As a general rule, do not combine other people's data with your own files that you redistribute. Keep a file for your eyes only and another for distribution. Distribute only work which you have done yourself from primary sources, or have independently verified from primary sources. Do not simply pass along someone else's data because they have it documented either. Do everyone a favor and pass along transcripts of primary documents. If you find documents or trees on a website, download and keep it because it may evaporate unexpectedly, but do not redistribute it. Instead, if someone asks for it, check on it's availability and send them a link. SAMPLE SUBJECTS AND CATEGORIES Etiquette; File contamination avoidance; Source Documentation; Passing on other's data under what conditions; Submission to databases; Merging trees; Merging scraps of data; Requesting info; Providing info; Submissions to redundant websites or databases; Should we pass secondary info at all or just the source?; How about an unlinked but searchable family group sheet database, each submitted sheet required to be nearly complete and well sourced, and containing parents and children of the husband and wife? Any interest in an online index of primary documents with the cost of membership being to submit one? SEND ME YOUR IDEAS Thank you for your time, Dave THE KEYSTONE PROJECT - A PENNSYLVANIA CARD CATALOG of GENEALOGY FILES In it's infancy, please help! http://www.stonecabin.com/keystone __________________________________________________________________________ David H. Smith, Sr. Bensinger Family Genealogy dsmith@stonecabin.com http://www.stonecabin.com/bensinger

    04/11/1998 07:39:16
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] To the purists.....
    2. Clair2nd
    3. One well-concealled illigitimate birth makes everything that follows garbage anyway. Let's not take ourselves too seriously, please. Short of DNA testing...it is all taken on faith anyway. I am done venting......I enjoy a good debate, tho'. Clair John 'Bill' Thompson, Sr. Lincoln Park, MI http://www.fuggit.com

    04/11/1998 07:24:46
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: GENEALOGICAL SUICIDE
    2. Clair2nd
    3. In a message dated 98-04-11 11:14:06 EDT, you write: << I think that it is up to each person to verify the information in books, WFT, LDS ancestral files and by all means the net. Eronious information started way before the net, in books and before that by word of mouth. It up to each individual to verify, correct, and continue their research. We have enough rules already. It is not time to burn the books, take down the web sites, get rid of Ancestral file, etc. That would be Genealogical Suicide. Sharing information and correcting the eronious information is the answer for me. Just my opinion. >> My sentiments exactly......HOORAY FOR YOU!!!! I am not a purist and do not intend to become one. I am the first one in my family to do the research and my goal is to do it as best as I can. But, I do not want to try and reinvent the wheel....if someone has done research and it fits into my lines, I will probably use it. They will be given FULL attribution in my source field. I will leave it to future generations to prove or disprove each minutia of information. I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR RESOUCES TO DO SO. Anybody who wants to "steal" (not my word) any info from me is welcome to do so except for commercial use......genealogy is not owned....it is only in the temporary custody of those working on it and should be shared fully. Greedy hoarders of genealogical information could go to their graves with the info and what a loss to us all that would be. As Dr. Raymond Bell (genealogist) once wrote: PUBLISH, PUBLISH, PUBLISH !!!!! Clair John "Bill" Thompson, Sr. Lincoln Park, MI http://www.fuggit.com

    04/11/1998 06:48:01
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: GENEALOGICAL SUICIDE
    2. Wayne L II
    3. David, I agree about most of what you say and I am guilty as charge, but I have not sent in any information as of yet. I like your idea about sending in only your own work and keeping a separate file for yourself with the who family. I have written two books prior to the internet and was the work of myself and the people who I had contacted by mail or phone. And at the time of each book I thought they contained a large amount of names, but after the internet they are not so large. I am using the internet to cut and past, but after I get the new information I attempt to go back and check out the material. I have always done this. I suppose that it is not much different as when we use to order film from the LDS or go to the large libraries to gather information. I know I have order over 1500 films from Salt Lake City and I have been there and gathered the info. So in one way what makes this any different than going through files on the internet. The same goes to the fact that I used to write to family members and get their information. Is not that the same as getting it over the internet? I think the biggest mistake most of us are making is that we do not check and recheck the information we are getting off of the internet. I know I have typed up about 1000 obits and placed in my books and it takes time to do this. It is easy to cut and paste, but is it right. Well now, are we not doing the same thing with our newspaper obits from the past, I mean cutting and pasting. The only thing that is different is that we are not sending away for the material, but getting it right off the computer. So let us keep on digging for those roots and let us check out the material to see if it is correct and you might be able to add to the whole story by finding out something new when you check the information. No David I think we are very lucky to beable to have access to such a large data base. Before the computer it was the people who lived in large cities that had access to the data that is on the computer. But now every one has a chance to research his tree. Thank You Wayne L McKean, Seattle, WA

    04/11/1998 04:40:13
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] SCHWANGER
    2. Jeff Reimert
    3. If anyone has the surname SCHWANGER in one of their lines, please drop me a note. I am searching for the parents of Catherine SCHWANGER b. 1865 d. 1936 in Berks County.

    04/10/1998 09:39:14
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Samuel KEMMERER/CAMERON
    2. Kathy32656
    3. Searching for Samuel CAMERON's birthplace in Dauphin County, PA. He was born 9/3/1811. The family lived in Killinger, in Upper Paxton Twp for awhile. He was married to Amelia WEBNER, of Schuylkill & Berks County, PA, daughter of Johann Theodore WEBNER & Christina HEISER. Samuel's last name used to be KEMMERER. Also have seen it spelled as KAMMERER & CAMMERER. Not sure why Samuel changed the spelling. Samuel was the son of Dietrich KEMMERER & Barbara WEILAND (WIELAND). Dietrich & Barbara lived in Lehigh County, PA for a short time. Samuel & Amelia had a daughter, Anna Mary, who married Henry WOLFE, of Lycoming County, PA. The KEMMERERS/CAMERONS were German. Thanks, Kathy Kathy32656@AOL.com

    04/10/1998 07:44:59
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] listowners (ref. one more time)
    2. Michael Milton Mason
    3. You might have noted the absence of ohio-valley-l@rootsweb.com from the CC list-- it is because I subtracted it. It is the only one that has a "closed" list-- you can only post to it if you are a member. It is their safeguard against spammers. Several on that list I thought had already done this-- what happened? Of course it may be that the Ohio List was the only one I got a message from-- others might be closed and you just don't get a message back. At any rate, I guess you know you can choose this protection-- I suppose it's relatively easy to arrange for. "Water simply flows around obstacles it encounters." "Chance favors the prepared..." FROM: Michael Milton Mason <mmmsrch@cyberback.com>

    04/10/1998 06:24:31
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: GENEALOGICAL SUICIDE
    2. Michael Milton Mason
    3. David, I have read your, et al., comments... You make some crucial points, and while I was surprised at the callousnous of some, the belittling of the problem, the gloss-over solutions... Fact is, you describe the problem-- any solutions, besides "Now children, stop it?" The idea to only submit what you know to be documented fact would work-- 99% of the time. But documents are sometimes in error, and I'd rather have a GB of "maybes" than a database someone has climbed onto a stack-of-Bibles with that has an error-- somewhere. There have been times when I accepted documentation as gospel-- for a year or two, until there was overwhelming/sufficient indication otherwise, that "that just can't be so-- it doesn't fit with all this other." Point is, I could have submitted, confidant that it was incontravertable fact. I like your depiction-- "I used to prowl around courthouse attics and weed covered graveyards to uncover a choice treasure now and then with great anticipation and joy." Why did you stop? I just described to my (extended) family how I often claw a mile to get a foot. Why not take those leads and determine if they are are fact or fiction-- whether they indeed fit into your tree? At 09:39 AM 4/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >To all genealogists, > > I have been very concerned lately about the destruction of our hobby. The >fate of genealogy is being written as we speak and it is in your hands to >stop it. > >WHY THIS SUDDEN ALARM? > > Our data is being destroyed by two cancers known as "CUT AND PASTE" and >"MERGE". > >ONLINE GENEALOGY > > I began my online genealogy in 1981, the reason for purchase of my first >computer. Soon after I reasoned that if I could just afford that 3MB hard >drive at Radio Shack for only $5000.00 my problems would be over, now at >6GB I am running out of space. I used to prowl around courthouse attics and >weed covered graveyards to uncover a choice treasure now and then with >great anticipation and joy. Now I can get a hundred times more info in an >hour or two. So much so I haven't even had the time to read most of it, let >alone put it into my own database. Which leads me to my point. > >CUT AND PASTE > > Being involved in keeping a Family Website, I get many requests for >information, and some criticism as well. There are two camps. One thinks >every fact needs to be on the Two Tablets Moses brought down from the >mountains. The other thinks that if it is in ASCII it's proof enough. I >have submitted my own tree to the WFT Project, most of which was my own >work. Hoping to find corroborating works I check other trees often, only to >discover my own work pasted into someone else's tree. > >THIS PRACTICE IS DESTROYING ONLINE GENEALOGY. > >FIRST, it gives undue validity. When one piece of erroneous information >becomes 1000 pieces of the same erroneous information, it takes on a life >of it's own and an enearned "truth". >SECOND, it clutters up the internet search engines with hundreds of links >to the same bogus info. When someone does try to verify a fact, they can't >wade through the countless references. >THIRD, file sizes are increased to the point of unmanageablility with the >same, tired, redundant information, even when true. This makes sharing >impractical. >FOURTH, it discourages people with genuinely obtained first generation info >from releasing it. >FIFTH, if carried to it's logical conclusion, everyone will have the same >file. All of them wrong. >SIXTH, it makes compiling huge trees all too easy. >SEVENTH, it makes it impossible to tell whether you are seeing a >corroborating opinion of your data or a repeat of it. > >EXAMPLES > >Great database services, like GENSERV and the World Family Tree project, >although well conceived and of great potential, are being ruined by well >meaning genealogists who seed them with redundant information gathered from >those very same databases. > >Private websites, including my own, have been swamped by large file sizes >which are largely repeat information. (This was a result of my own policy, >which I have rethought, so no criticism intended) > >Believe it or not I have been offered "Family Trees" in excess of 75 MB and >over 125,000 names. I foolishly submitted some trees to add to this pile of >spaghetti. > >WHAT CAN WE DO? > > I propose creating a guide for online genealogists. A compilation of >voluntary "rules of the road". Netiquette for the Genealogist. > > To this end I am offering a few sample suggestions of my own to get the >ball rolling. Please send your comments, criticisms, suggestions, pros and >cons to me personally. (I do not subscribe to ALL the lists above) After >compilation of the ideas, I will submit them for a vote. Success will be >determined by the level of participation. Please submit ideas by April 24th. > >SUGGESTIONS > > If you have undocumented info to share, state that it is speculation. If >you receive that information, paste it into your own file if you choose, >but DO NOT redistribute it with your file. Instead, keep it as a separate >entity. > > As a general rule, do not combine other people's data with your own files >that you redistribute. Keep a file for your eyes only and another for >distribution. Distribute only work which you have done yourself from >primary sources, or have independently verified from primary sources. Do >not simply pass along someone else's data because they have it documented >either. > > Do everyone a favor and pass along transcripts of primary documents. > > If you find documents or trees on a website, download and keep it because >it may evaporate unexpectedly, but do not redistribute it. Instead, if >someone asks for it, check on it's availability and send them a link. > >SAMPLE SUBJECTS AND CATEGORIES > > Etiquette; File contamination avoidance; Source Documentation; Passing on >other's data under what conditions; Submission to databases; Merging trees; >Merging scraps of data; Requesting info; Providing info; Submissions to >redundant websites or databases; Should we pass secondary info at all or >just the source?; How about an unlinked but searchable family group sheet >database, each submitted sheet required to be nearly complete and well >sourced, and containing parents and children of the husband and wife? Any >interest in an online index of primary documents with the cost of >membership being to submit one? > >SEND ME YOUR IDEAS > >Thank you for your time, >Dave > >THE KEYSTONE PROJECT - A PENNSYLVANIA CARD CATALOG of GENEALOGY FILES >In it's infancy, please help! http://www.stonecabin.com/keystone >__________________________________________________________________________ >David H. Smith, Sr. Bensinger Family Genealogy >dsmith@stonecabin.com http://www.stonecabin.com/bensinger > >----------------------------------------------- > Lost your welcome message? >Send GET PENNSYLVANIA-ROOTS-L WELCOME to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU for another copy. > > "Water simply flows around obstacles it encounters." "Chance favors the prepared..." FROM: Michael Milton Mason <mmmsrch@cyberback.com>

    04/10/1998 05:28:01
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Surnames in Berks and Lehigh Counties
    2. Jeff Reimert
    3. Here are my current brick walls in Berks and Lehigh: REIMERT, AHN, SITLER, SCHWANGER An help is greatly appreciated..

    04/09/1998 10:00:02
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: [PAWESTMO-L] SURNAMES & LOOKUPS
    2. Judy Douglas
    3. Hi Stan, Thank you for your kind offer. Would you please check CD's 5&7 for the surnames LOEHR/LEER and SEYBOTH/SYBOTH or any spelling that comes close? Judy Lear Douglas jald33@juno.com jald@aol.com (for attachments) P.S. I was born and raised near Erie, PA. (Harborcreek) On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 04:23:53 -0400 "Stan Ingram" <n3wna@tbscc.com> writes: >Hi Rooters > >STAN INGRAM >CORRY, PA >n3wna@tbscc.com > > SEARCHING THESE SURNAMES > >ALLEN, BURNS, DAVIS,DERR,HARRO, INGRAM,JONES, KEITH,LEONARD, >LATCHFORD, >LYKENS, MILLER,PATTERSON, PLUMMER,SHAWLEY,SUTCH, VANPELT, WAY, >WYNN.,Willing to do lookups on these CD's of any surname but also need >First name & State as time permits.. >World Family Tree >#1 vol. 1 thru 7 & 15 >#2 Census 1870 PA, NYC, NC, SC, VA, WVA Baltimore, Chicago, Georgia >#3 Marriage index NY 1639 to 1916 >#4 State index upstate NY 1685 to 1910 >#5 Church records PA 1600 to 1800 >#6 All Social Security 1937 to 1996 >#7 PA vital records 1700 to 1800's >#8 Marriage index NY #2 1740 to 1880's >#9 > > >==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== >To contact Patti Caldwell, Listmistress, click below: > mailto:impattic@mediaone.net >remember, "Please practice random acts of kindness"........ > > > > > > > > > > >

    04/09/1998 05:16:53
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: PALEHIGH-D Digest V98 #33
    2. Laura M. Kough
    3. TO: Mary Hutson Subject: Keith in Tyrone PA Mary Hutson, please reply to me concerning the Keith family in Tyrone PA; Tibetha KOUGH. She married Calvin KEITH. They had the following children: Lois KEITH, Edwinna KEITH, Neva KEITH, Clinton KEITH. Individual note: K 139, After Tibetha died, Calvin married Laura Barcus, d/o Lydia and Steel Barcus. Lydia was a sister to George Kough. ____________________________ Helen KEITH was born on 2 Oct 1907 in PA; died on 27 Mar 1974 in PA. My father in law, Edward Llyod Kough was born in Tyrone She married Daniel Roosevelt KOUGH; divorced. They had the following children: Bernard L KOUGH, Edward Llyod KOUGH (b. 2 Jan 1924), James Leroy KOUGH (b. 3 May 1925), Charles Emmit KOUGH (b. 2 May 1926). _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

    04/08/1998 07:47:35
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] Re: SURNAMES & LOOKUPS
    2. John W. Hutson
    3. Stan Ingram wrote: > > Hi Rooters > > STAN INGRAM > CORRY, PA > n3wna@tbscc.com > > SEARCHING THESE SURNAMES > > ALLEN, BURNS, DAVIS,DERR,HARRO, INGRAM,JONES, KEITH,LEONARD, LATCHFORD, > LYKENS, MILLER,PATTERSON, PLUMMER,SHAWLEY,SUTCH, VANPELT, WAY, > WYNN.,Willing to do lookups on these CD's of any surname but also need > First name & State as time permits.. > World Family Tree > #1 vol. 1 thru 7 & 15 > #2 Census 1870 PA, NYC, NC, SC, VA, WVA Baltimore, Chicago, Georgia > #3 Marriage index NY 1639 to 1916 > #4 State index upstate NY 1685 to 1910 > #5 Church records PA 1600 to 1800 > #6 All Social Security 1937 to 1996 > #7 PA vital records 1700 to 1800's > #8 Marriage index NY #2 1740 to 1880's Hello, I am researching the Keiths in the Tyrone/ Tipton, PA area. John Keith m. Nancy Ager of Westmoreland Co. Mary Hutson

    04/07/1998 09:49:28
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] SURNAMES & LOOKUPS
    2. Stan Ingram
    3. Hi Rooters STAN INGRAM CORRY, PA n3wna@tbscc.com SEARCHING THESE SURNAMES ALLEN, BURNS, DAVIS,DERR,HARRO, INGRAM,JONES, KEITH,LEONARD, LATCHFORD, LYKENS, MILLER,PATTERSON, PLUMMER,SHAWLEY,SUTCH, VANPELT, WAY, WYNN.,Willing to do lookups on these CD's of any surname but also need First name & State as time permits.. World Family Tree #1 vol. 1 thru 7 & 15 #2 Census 1870 PA, NYC, NC, SC, VA, WVA Baltimore, Chicago, Georgia #3 Marriage index NY 1639 to 1916 #4 State index upstate NY 1685 to 1910 #5 Church records PA 1600 to 1800 #6 All Social Security 1937 to 1996 #7 PA vital records 1700 to 1800's #8 Marriage index NY #2 1740 to 1880's #9

    04/07/1998 02:23:53
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] New Mailing LIst
    2. Judy Jackson
    3. Hi ALl Just to let everyone know a new mailing list has been started thru rootsweb for the surname Schreiber. Anywhere, Anytime and any variation of the name. Sent the words subscribe in the body of the message to SCHREIBER-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode or SCHREIBER-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode Also those on the pa lists may be insterested to know that a list for the Troxel name and any spelling of the name was recently started to subscribe TROXEL-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode or TROXEL-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode Thanks Judy List Manager above list (except Troxel) Always looking for Cheever-NY, Ia, Wis, Orgeon, Kansas are so far. Scoles Iowa Wetmore, Tufts, Osgood, Ny area Schreiber, Balliett, Troxell, Morgan, Muth eastern Pa area. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

    04/02/1998 03:44:19
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] EDELMAN, EDELMANN, EDDLEMAN
    2. EdelmanT
    3. Hi rooters, I am Trudi Edelman, a new subscriber, and I am researching Edelman, Edelmann and Eddleman for myself and for subscribers of our Eddleman Discussion List. Visit the Eddleman Genealogy Library at: http://www.disknet.com/indiana_biolab/eg.htm My personal search led me to the Eddleman (of all spelling variations) Page. Of the two dozen or so researchers, I'm currently the only one whose ancestors remained in PA. The others have ties (known and unknown) with PA. After becoming "stuck" in Berks Co. in 1816, I began a PA Timeline listing every Edelman, Edelmann and Eddleman (all used at diferent times by my known ancestors) that I could find from their arrival in Philadelphia hoping to find my missing link. Because I had much information from PA that the others did not have, I am now the volunteer editor of a PA Edelman page (not yet constructed.) Although I have much information, I have not attempted to connect the names I have into families. I'm simply offering my information to anyone who needs it in the hope that they will find a connection for themselves. I will be their contact with PA, caretaker of any info I glean from the PA lists and updating the PA timeline for all to see. I, at this time, am restricting my research to just the above surnames. However, many of the others are researching multiple surnames, in multiple states. In this regard, we may be of some assistance to you because of relation by marriages. My requests are two: 1. For myself: Seeking any information on parents, grandparents, siblings, etc. of Raymond EDELMAN, s/o John and (no mother's name) Edelman, b. July 5, 1816 in Berks Co., d. Oct. 14, 1907. Buried in Oak Ridge Cemetery, Altoona, Blair Co. Could this be the same man, sibling or cousin?: Rehman Edelmann, s/o Jacob and Elisabeth Edelmann, bap. May 10, 1817 at Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church, Jonestown, Lebanon Co. Raymond is my GG grandfather. His wife was Adaline F. Oliver, d. July 20, 1895, also buried at Oak Ridge. By 1845 he was in Blair Co. and appears to have been married once before his marriage to Adaline due to later references of a step-son and step-daughter in Adaline's obituary. 2. For our EDL members: Any info on any Edelmann, Edelman or Eddleman in PA up until abt. 1850, esp. ones that left PA for other states. Thanks, Trudi EdelmanT@aol.com

    03/29/1998 01:29:38
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] New Surname Mailing List
    2. Judy Jackson
    3. This is to announce that a new Surname mailing list has been started thru rootsweb. If you are researching the CHEEVER surname and any spelling of the name you can subscribe by sending a request to CHEEVER-L-request@rootsweb.com for mail mode CHEEVER-D-request@rootsweb.com for digest mode put subscribe in body of message. Thanks Judy List Manager for above mentioned list. searching for SCHREIBER, MORGAN, MUTH, TROXELL, KERN and others in PA. area CHEEVER, TUFTS, OSGOOD in NEW YORK, IOWA, MINN. and OR. area list of names on home page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/1006 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

    03/29/1998 10:40:47
    1. Unidentified subject!
    2. Hello all! After 3 weeks offline the Seneca Hartzell History Links are up and running again! Much updating has been done, and I'm sure that there are links here that will be of interest to all of you. Of particular note is THE EMMIGRATION FROM LEHIGH CO., PA TO SENECA CO., OH. It contains the names of 193 people who came here from Lehigh Co. It and much more can be found on my website. Hope you all enjoy the site! Best regards, Stephen J. Hartzell Tiffin, Ohio Visit the Seneca Hartzell History Links http://www.friendlynet.com/stevehartzell/sen-hart.htm to: INT:hartsell-l@rootsweb. cc: INT:palehigh-l@rootsweb.com INT:paberks-l@rootsweb.com INT:panortha-l@rootsweb.com INT:pabucks-l@rootsweb.com INT:KBriant712@aol.com INT:rphartz@myhome.net INT:rbeat@ameritech.net INT:Darke@skyenet.net INT:dcaallen@pacifier.co

    03/29/1998 08:23:38
    1. Re: [PALEHIGH-L] JCooper request
    2. KENDRICK KREATIONS
    3. Hi! Speaking of usgenweb. . .which one is starting to charge for searches now? Is it 1 usgenweb.com 2. usgenweb.org 3. usgenweb.net I know there is some controversy going on with the sites, but can't recall now which is which. Although, from what I just saw of .com, and then the ref. to change at .net I would assume it is usgenweb.com that might be charging. Thanks for any response. YELOWCHVL wrote: > > Hi Jane: > > The great web site is <usgenweb.net>. You click on state links list and from > there it comes up with the states in table version and you just click on > whatever state you like. To get to Lehigh Valley Historical Society you click > on Pennsylvania and when the table of counties comes up click on Lehigh > County. On that page are tons of great options to research in Lehigh County. > Also down a little ways you can select the Historical Society and find even > more. I continue to return to that site time after time and always find some > new information. > > Sorry I didn't send this direct but lost you letter during a madcap deletion > session. > > Kathleen > > ==== PALEHIGH Mailing List ==== > contact List Manager at judjack@rocketmail.com or judjack@hotmail.com visit Genealogy of Pa at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6508/

    03/27/1998 03:33:55
    1. [PALEHIGH-L] LOOKUP IN UNIONVILLE CEM, NEFFS, PA
    2. Richard Emlin Reed
    3. I need someone to check for the tombstone inscriptions of Martin Andreas and his wife Elizabeth in the Unionville Reformed Cemetery. Please reply to my email address. Many, many thanks. Richard Emlin Reed remlinr@afcon.net 18471 Barbara Avenue Port Charlotte FL 33948-3374 "A Reed By Many Other Names"

    03/27/1998 01:53:28