At 05:37 PM 5/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I found Elizabeth Kreider, daughter of Joseph, of Black Oak Hill, >married to Joseph B. Albert. I have all the connected Kreider's in Francis' history in my data base, but Francis seemed unable to connect Joseph's father to the rest of the Lebanon Co family. Francis calls Joseph's father "Christian Kicked by a Horse." Francis states the tradition that this Christian came from Germany and may not be immediately connected to the descenadts of John and Joseph, the settlers. Francis includes the descendants of Elizabeth and Joseph Albert. However, I do not have them in my files. From the Francis Document: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`` ELIZABETH KREIDER ALBERT 37. 25: Elizabeth Kreider, daughter of Joseph, of Black Oak Hill, married Joseph B.Albert, b.June 3, 1812; d.July 22, 1896; both buried at Steelstown. They lived on a small farm north of Palmyra, bought by her father, her parents living with her for a number of years, where both died. The farm became the property of Mr.Albert; it is now a Poorman home. They were United Evangelical. They had 4 children: 38. 25:LIZZIE M.ALBERT, b.July 7, 1859; d.Mar.26, 1906; m.Alvin S.Bowman, teacher in Palmyra; has since remarried, is justice of the peace and resides on North Railroad street Palmyra; Lizzie had 1 child: 39. 25:Joseph M.M.Bowman, d.Jan.21, 1888; aged 5 months and 17 days, buried in the Steelstown cemetery, as is also his mother. 40. 25:GABRIEL KREIDER ALBERT, d.from the sting of a bumble bee, Sept.4, 1860; aged 3 years, 9 months and 22 days. 41. 25:MARY A.ALBERT b.Mar.15, 1861, m.Philip Allwein, b.Sept.1, about 2 years before his wife; d.aged 57 years; buried in East Harrisburg cemetery; track foreman at Rutherford; United Evangelical; she at Pennbrook; children: 42. 25:Joseph Allwein, b.May 24, 1882; m.Mary Witmer; engineer in Rutherford yards; United Brethren; 5 children: Marion, Anna, Witmer, Mary Catharine, Delbert. 43. 25:Irvin Allwein, b.June 24, 1884; m.Frances Heisey, daughter of Jacob of Conewago, from whom we received the Allwein records; Brethren; residence North Railroad street, Palmyra; 4 children: Elizabeth, Samuel, Ellen and Frank. 44. 25:Edgar Allwein, b.Nov.6, 1885; d.Feb.24, 1811; m.Jessie Wenrich; laborer on railroad at Enola, Pa.; 2 children: Wilson and Melvin. 45. 25:Elizabeth Allwein, b.Jan.9, 1888; m.Charles Bell, sign painter in Harrisburg; no children. 46. 25:Mabel Allwein, b.Dec.16, 1889; single, in Philadelphia. 47. 25:Marjory Allwein, b.Oct.15, 1898; m.Edwin Stahler, railroader at Enola; United Evangelical; 1 child: Geraldine. 48. 25:Mary Allwein, b.Feb.22, 1904. 49. 25:JOHN ALBERT, b.Nov.21, 1862; m.Mary A.Brehm; quarryman, in which occupation he lost his left foot; residence 106 Locust street, Palmyra; Brethren in Christ; 6 children: 50. 25:Enos Albert, d.aged 21 years; single. 51. 25:Grant Albert, m.Mary Fox; shoe cutter; residence 104 Cherry street, Palmyra; Brethren; 2 children: Charles and John F. 52. 25:Andrew Albert, shoe cutter in Palmyra; single; d.aged 28 years. 53. 25:Mary May Albert, d.aged 7 months. 54. 25:Victor Albert, m.Susan Moyer; shoe cutter in Phila; no children. 55. 25:Catharine Albert; single, at home. JOHN OF KANSAS 56. 25: John Kreider, perhaps the youngest child of Joseph of Black Oak Hill, m.Rebecca Alleman. John moved to Kansas. He was a farmer, near Carlton of that state, where he likely died. He had 2 children. 57. 25:Lizzie Kreider, married and has children. 58. 25:Elmer Kreider, single at home.