John, It has been a while since I did any research on the Kreider line. Here is what I remember. My files are in such a disarray that I can't even attempt to find anything on the Kreiders. For about 1740 and before, J.G.Francis' records on the Krieder family are very suspect. John Marsh wrote some articles highlighting some discrepancies on Francis' assumptions. Francis showed a Michael, Hans, and a third Kreider coming to Lebanon County very early in the 1700s, returning to Germany, and coming back to Lebanon County about 1735. Marsh used some land records to show that the Kreiders who sailed to Phil. in 1735 were not the same ones who originally settled in Lebanon County. Marsh also guesses that these 3 Kreiders may have visited relatives in PA and moved on to N. Carolina. >From other reading, it seems that the initial immigrants sailed into NY. Then around 1721/22, three ships sailed into Philadelphia. The British were not expecting these ships, and had nothing set up to record the names of passengers into this port. By the time the ships were noticed, most of the passengers had scattered. Very few names of the almost 300 passengers were recorded. If anyone has any ships records for Philadelphia before 1724, I would be very interested in them. This seems to be the brickwall researching the Kreiders of Lebanon County. Marsh did come up with some interesting info from Germany. About 1705 there was a letter written to a Baron von Ittlingen (or maybe Memmingen). The letter was from 9 families, living in Ittlingen, protesting the high religious taxes the Baron was imposing. It was double what was charged in the surrounding areas. The names of all the families protesting the taxes were on this letter. Most were Baer/Bare families, but 2 of the families were Greiter/Kreiders. The names for the Hans Greiter family seem to match the names of the Kreiders who first came to Lebanon County. The head of the other family was Jacob Greiter. I think that this letter is on file in Stuttgart, Germany. Marsh does include a translation of the letter in his one article (a copy is in a black binder some where in the mess in my room). So, the short answer is no, I don't have any info on Maria Kreider marrying a Light in Germany. The LDS Church has done much more research in Europe since I last researched the Kreiders. Maybe there is more info now at the FHCs. Bob Bensing > -----Original Message----- > From: John Light [mailto:jblight@redshift.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 11:18 AM > To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PALEBANO-L] Kreider/Greider/Crider > > > I noticed Bob Bensing's post on the Kreider line. Bob and others: I am > trying to find the origins of what may only be family tradition that our > assumed, and prolific, Lebanon Light family immigrant (1738) Johannes > Licht/Light married a Maria Kreider ca late 1720s in Germany. I know a > Kreider farm (perhaps John or John Jacob?) was very nearby the original > Light properties in Lebanon, but aside from that specific reference I > cannot find any reliable sources. This connection is made in several > family genealogies BUT NOT in the generally accepted J.G. Francis' > "History and Genealogy of Pioneer Families of Lebanon, PA". We can live > with it as family tradition if we know that is what it is, but we want > to trace its origins and sourcing if possible - do you have this > Kreider-Light connection or others near that time in your histories, and > any leads on documentation to bear it out? Thanks, > John Light > Monterey, CA > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > To contact the owner of the PALEBANO Mailing List, please contact: > ltmiller@mail.ptd.net > >