Greetings, You might try PA-German Pioneers by Strassburger & Hinke. Since its publication in 1934 almost two generations ago by the Pennsylvania German Society as Vols 42-44 of its Proceedings, Strassburger and Hinke's Pennsylvania German Pioneers has been the cornerstone, virtually the bible, of all Pennsylvania German genealogical research. Its three volumes contain the verbatim passenger lists, including the original signatures, of virtually all of the 30,000 heads of German-speaking families who arrived in the port of Philadelphia during the fifty years prior to the American Revolution. The total of 65,000 passengers covered in these lists represent roughly two-thirds of all German-speaking immigrants who arrived in American during the almost one hundred years 1683-1775! Or you might go to the source of all the books on the subject, the Pennsylvania Archives. The only difference I have noticed between S& H and Rupp Is that the former go into more detail, whereas Rupp tends to be more "barebones". Also, Rupp stops at 1775; S&H go to 1808; but there couldn't have been much migration to the colonies during the rebellion, since all the transports were English ships. In all fairness to Profesor Rupp, who has written quite a few books relating to the history and genealogy of the PA-German area, I wouldn't call him unreliable. My copy of his 30,000 Immigrants to PA is quite shopworn. And, it is much cheaper than the three S&H Pa-German Pioneers volumes, which sell for $175.00 per set. I think I paid about $45.00 for Rupp. So, if you have access to a library, use S&H; if you're buying, get Rupp. -----Original Message----- From: der@redrose.net <der@redrose.net> To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com <PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [PALEBANO-L] SCHOHARIE TO LEBANON/BERKS >Hello Richard, > > >> Among many sources of early Tulpehockensettlers are Rupp's 30,000 Names of >> Immigrants in PA and Henry Jones's Palatine Families of NY, 1710. According >> to Berks Co Archives, Jacob Wagner died intestate in 1791, resulting in a >> letter of administration being issued to the widow Appolonia on 03 Mar 1791. > >I have a question on this source. I noticed that it seems to be given >frequently as a source for info pertaining to the Palatines, etc. When I >was at the National Genealogical Society Conference at Valley Forge, >Jonathan Stayer from the PA State Archives was one of the speakers. >(excellent speaker!) He listed the order of "reliability" regarding ships' >lists. Rupp's _Thirty Thousand Names_ was last on the list of >reliability. Also, I note in Hank Jones' (another speaker at that >conference) books on the Palatines, that he, too, questions some of >Rupp's info. I guess my point is this - is there any other source that >might have the same info and not be questioned as much? Thanks. > >Regards, >Donna Ristenbatt >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >der@redrose.net >Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS >http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, >Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, >Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, >Many Surnames and More! > > >==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >Check out the Lebanon County PA Historical Society web page: ><http://www.leba.net/~history2/> > >