Hi I really wasn't paying to much attention to the Light discussion as it wasn't my line, but I was going through some info on my RUPP line and came across a John Russell Light b Jan. 1945 in Lebanon and died Aug 1997 in Quebec but he is buried Chapel Pleasant Hill cem. in Lebanon--he married Helen Mae Rupp in 1964 (I don't know if she is from my line) and they were married by Rev. Heming -------she was the daughter of John E. Rupp and Elizabeth Batz and they had 2 children-------I don't know who they were though--------I realize this is pretty recent info and probably doesn't help much but I thought I'd send it along------hope everyone has a great weekend----------nancy Grant Miller wrote: > > I noted with interest the recent posts from Bob Bensing, Donna Ristenbatt > and some others regarding a possible EARLY link between the Lebanon LIGHTs > and the KREIDERS. I've also had some correspondence with John Light of > Monterey, CA on the same subject. > > If my understanding is correct, this John Light is a descendant of John > LIGHT of Lebanon, who arrived at the port of Philadelphia on 5 Sep 1738 > aboard the Winter Galley. This John LIGHT, and his descendants, are the > subjects of an exhaustive study carried on by the Rev. R. G. Francis > (1870-1958), a Lebanon genealogist with a reputation for talent and > experience, mostly between the years 1929 through 1932. The results of > this study were published posthumously through the good offices of > Searchlight Editor Betty M. Light Behr by the Closson Press in April 1990 > under the title "History and Genealogy of Early Pioneer Families of Lebanon > County, Pennsylvania". This, I am persuaded, is, without serious question, > the seminal study of this family and its history. Rev. Francis, early on > in his introductory discussion (p. 8) has this to say concerning the spouse > of John LIGHT of Lebanon: "As to his wife, we know not her Christian name. > nor her family name. Their son Jacob states that his mother died Nov. 12, > 1758. She was doubtless considerably younger than her husband, for she > bore a son as late as 1738. Perhaps the daughter Barbara was still > younger, certainly so if she married Casper Shirk, for Casper's wife > Barbara was born May 13, 1739." > > John LIGHT must have contracted his marriage in Europe well before his 1738 > journey to the Colonies. In fact, his eldest child, son John, is recorded > as having been born 21 Feb 1726 (p. 13). If his wife was named KREIDER > (Maria or otherwise), it seems unlikely that she is of either of the > KREIDER families sojourning in Ittlingen, as discussed in the PMH articles > of John Marsh and Jane Best, because (1) neither family is recorded as > having a daughter named Maria, and (2) neither family is recorded as having > a daughter of the requisite age to have been capable of bearing a child in > 1726 (none, that is, who is not otherwise accounted for). Of course, there > were lots of KREIDERs in that part of Europe at that time, many of them > doubtless female and available for marriage. And there is no showing that > John LIGHT the Immigrant had any connection with Ittlingen. Nevertheless, > it does put in question whether, if John LIGHT's wife was a KREIDER, she > was directly connected with the Ittlingen KREIDERs, who were the > progenitors of the Lebanon KREIDERs. > > Now to the question of "family tradition" raised by John Light of Monteray. > I am also a descendant of John LIGHT the Immigrant. I have devoted > considerable time to the study of the family literature (admittedly, most > of it secondary), and I must say that I have never heard or read of such a > "tradition." I have it from a respected source that one of the purveyors > of this information is a gentleman named Roger Cramer (with whom I am not > acquainted). I have it further from this source that Mr. Cramer has not > offered to furnish a source for this information, having been requested to > do so. There is this to be said, however: I understand from my source > that Mr Cramer states the spouse of Maria KREIDER is named John (Johannes) > Peter LIGHT. > > Again referring To Rev. Francis' work, he tells us that there were a number > of John LIGHTs (with variant surname spellings) who arrived at Philadelphia > at about the same time as our John LIGHT; that among these were Johan > Peter LIGHT, who arrived on 30 Aug 1737 aboard the Samuel, and Peter LIGHT, > who arrived on 27 Oct 1733 aboard the Saint Andrew. Of these and other > LIGHT immigrants, Rev. Francis has this to say (p. 2): "We do not attempt > to determine where the Light immigrants, afore, settled. That is beyond > our sphere. As to the settlers we simply let it be known, from the records > found, that they had settled; there is no intention to give history beyond > the record quoted, unless those under consideration were connected vitally > with our Lights of Lebanon county." Not to put words in the Reverend's > mouth, he seems quite clearly to be telling us that his work is devoted > solely to the John [Johannes] LIGHT who arrived in Philadelphia on 5 Sep > 1738 aboard the Winter Galley, and to his progeny. And when the Reverend > tells us that the name of this John LIGHT's wife is not known, it's going > to take a powerful lot to convince me otherwise, family tradition or no. > > Grant Miller > max@cftnet.com > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: > <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>