der@redrose.net wrote: > > > I don't know of any of these landing first in North Carolina--the settlers who > > migrated to NC mostly did so FROM PA. However, Annette Burgert and others who > > have found references in German resources about someone going to PA or > > "Carolina" were speaking of South Carolina where there was quite an early > > Germanic settlement. I don't know a whole lot about this but there is some > > information on the Orangeburgh, SC site: > > http://www.netside.com/genealogy/orangeburgh.htm > > > > Joan > > > Actually I am talking about both. I was surprised to see the references > in Annette K. Burgert's book about the emigrants going to Carolina first, > and then ultimately coming TO PA. (This is Western Palatinate, and the > BOLLINGER family, whom Annette believes may be connected to the Johann > Abraham ROLAND of that book, whom I believe to be my husband's emigrant > ancestor. BTW, which is correct? - emigrant or immigrant? I was taught > that one "emigrates from" and "immigrates to", but what are they once they > are here, or are they from there? :-)) (This Bollinger info from Annette > was through communicating with her - it's not in the book about them being > connected to the ROLAND family, but I have found tons of info since then > and am hoping for that *absolute* evidence one of these days soon! to > prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Abraham ROHLAND in this book > was my husband's emigrant/immigrant ancestor. I found he was a weaver, > through deeds and tax lists, and Christian BOLLINGER, one of the > emigrant's in Annette's book was a weaver. Annette thinks there is good > possibility that Abraham's wife was Maria Eva BOLLINGER , dau of Christian > BOLLINGER of that book. > > I appreciate this new input about So. Carolina as my husband also has FIES > ancestors who have been driving me up a wall, as do all his RISTENBATT > side of the family, but I love researching them, and find it quite > challenging. (understatement) The FIES side supposedly went to NC first > and then TO PA. :-) > Hi all, yes, it is certainly true that some Germans came into Charleston, not many of course compared to Philadelphia. I really know nothing about them. Also, and I may be about to confuse things further but I thought of this afterward: New Bern, North Carolina, is not called that for nothing; it was settled very early on by Swiss Germans. I think I have the impression that the settlement failed or maybe didn't amount to much in the first place. In any case it is not now a Germanic-feeling sort of place as the Winston-Salem area and some other points west are. I don't really know much about it. I do not wish to set myself up as the Germans-in-Carolina expert; I merely live here - my ancestors did not and I have had no reason to look into it much. Donna, your idea about emigrants and immigrants is absolutely right but a lot of people seem unable to keep it straight, partly I think because it depends on the point of view - people were both depending on where you are looking from. I too have had the feeling that Burgert has it wrong at least some of the time but she might defend her choice on this basis. Jan

David Blauch wrote: > > Regarding the Carolina settlements > > Why 18th century German immigrants chose to move to this area, I do not > know for sure. The reasons listed above are certainly very compelling, but > I have an additional idea to consider. Everyone is no doubt acquainted > with the infamous settlement in the Schoharie Valley of New York. That > settlement was part of a naval stores project run by the British > government, and that project had a sister settlement in the Carolinas. The > Carolina settlement of Palatines began about the same time as the New York > settlement, ca. 1710 (perhaps a bit earlier, my memory on the subject is > poor). I wonder if this naval stores project was one of the early > motivators. It may have "seeded" the German colonization of the area. > Future German immigrants may have felt more comfortable moving to an area > where there were already some German settlers. Perhaps someone has more > detailed info on this settlement. My recollection is that the Carolinas > settlement met with better success than the New York effort (it could > hardly have been less successful!). Dave - well, I believe I did mention the climate :>) Seriously, yours are interesting points and I agree with them at least in part. I was under the impression that the first Germans in North Carolina were the Moravians starting ca 1750 but I am willing to be corrected. Jan

der@redrose.net wrote: > > I have been reading about various emigrants who first went to the > "Carolina" colony in the 1700s and then came to Lebanon County, or vice > versa. For example, some of the BOLLINGER emigrants in Annette K. > Burgert's book are listed as leaving Zweibrucken and going to "Carolina." > Could someone put some boundaries on that colony for me, given the time > period - 1700s? There may be some connection with the ancestors I am > researching. I know this was one of the 13 original colonies, if I recall > my history, but would like to know more about who started it, and the > particular emigrants who might be attracted to this colony and why the > "back and forth" between PA and North Carolina. What states does the > North Carolina colony encompass today? Thank you. There are other emigrant > ancestors of my husband's who were said to have come to Carolina first, > and then came to PA. If they followed Hank Jones' maxim, "They came > together, they stayed together" it would seem these emigrant families had > some "connection." Donna - they did. I will probably get some arguments about this but I think we can say the area referrred to is what is now roughly the Western third of North Carolina. I think the Moravians started it; some of them came to what is now Forsythe County starting in the early 1750s and founded Old Salem (now part of the city of Winston-Salem). Other Pa Germans who were not necessarily Moravians settled in the surrounding area, and for some reason not clear to me, a lot settled in what is now Rowan county (between Winston-Salem and Charlotte if you look at a map). Why? Well, I think they were already starting to run out of desirable land in some parts of PaDutch country - they had so many children, it was undesirable to subdivide farms too many times. Then I guess there was 'go west, young man', even then. Adventure. Some thought the climate was better. In the case of the Moravians there seems to have been some religious motivation - to convert the Indians. Why North Carolina as opposed to Virginia, for instance? Well in fact some did go to Virginia, but that was already more heavily settled - there was more Lebensraum (sorry, but there really is no English equivalent) in North Carolina. And once some relatives were here, sure there was back-and-forth, they kept track of each other. If you get into this I warn you, the German names often got even more distorted, sometimes out of recognition, in North Carolina than they did in Pennsylvania. A number of names that one thinks of as Southern, North Carolina Names, are of Pa German origin. Haines, of Haines Hosiery, is said to have started as Heinz, and I have heard that Reynolds, of R.J. Reynolds tobacco company (Winston-Salem) was originally Reinhold or something like that. There are books on this subject; a good one that tells about the life of an individual as opposed to a general movement, is Adelaide L. Fries, "The Road to Salem", University of North Carolina Press, 1972. It is based on the writings of a young Moravain woman who made this trip and kept diaries all her life. Although many of my own ancestors were Moravian, they stayed in Lancaster; none of them seem to have had the foresight to simplify my life by moving to North Carolina (I am the first of my family to live here as far as I know). If you want to know more I can probably find you more sources. Jan

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CEBFD6EC04FA2DA0F3E9BE3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------CEBFD6EC04FA2DA0F3E9BE3A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08414 for <launie@ptialaska.net>; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:49:17 -0900 (AKST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25079; Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:48:57 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: ELLEN542@aol.com Message-ID: <9882678b.36e7f3aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:47:38 EST Old-To: NJESSEX-L@rootsweb.com, GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com, MULCAHY-L@rootsweb.com, NEW-GENLIST-L@rootsweb.com, NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, PALACKAW-L@rootsweb.com, PALUZERN-L@rootsweb.com, ROOTS-L@rootsweb.rootsweb.com, SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com, TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: wall of honor Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 206 Resent-Message-ID: <"6DCkI.A.JHG.4P_52"@bl-11.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/25585 X-Loop: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Errors-To: GENIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-Sender: GENIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com I am hoping that this is a correct posts. I was searching the web and came across this and thought it might be nice for other listmembers out there to check out. I was so happy to find 2 of my ancesters on the wall of honor at Ellis Island. The address is www.wallofhonor.com. ellen542@aol.com --------------CEBFD6EC04FA2DA0F3E9BE3A--

Richard - I noticed you said that Newmanstown was your native town. Are you familar with the name Schultz from around there? My 4th ggrandfather was William Schultz, born, by my arithmetic, around 1790. In a biographical sketch of his grandson (another William Schultz), he is said to have "settled in Newmanstown" where he "lived to a great age". It doesn't say what age, of course. He is said to have been a brickmason, and his wife was Hannah Heffelfinger. That is all I know and it is not from a very reliable source. His only child that I know about was another William Schultz who m. Leah Keller. I have never been able to find any trace of him and wonder if you have any suggestion. (I am in North Carolina which makes it a bit difficult). The church you mention, organized in 1850, is probably too late to help me; I am wondering what there was before that. Jan Richard Emlin Reed wrote: > > Greetings, Christ Luth Ch: Jeremias, son of William and Christine Petz (this > is not a typo); b. 28 May 1789, bap 16 Aug 1789. Sp. George and Barbara > Strickler ( who, by the way, are my 4g grandparents). > 24 Nov 1778, Jacob Embig, son of Christian, m. Magdalena Rohland, dau. of > Abraham, both from Lebanon. > 04 Oct 1818, Jeremias Betz and Elizabeth Rohland. > 02 Mar 1846, Abraham Rohland, widower, and Susanna Stumb, widow. > 23 May 1844, Repecca Ruland sic, 44-7-7, died. > Pentecost, 1771, Anna Elizabeth Ruhland, George's dau, confirmed. > Those are all the entries in the Christ Luth. Ch. book. > Elias, not St. Elias, Church is in Newmanstown, Lebanon Co, PA, which is, > incidentally, my native town. It was a union church, organized about 1850. > Leb. Co. Hist. Soc. has the records on microfilm, done by the LDS; so you > could probably get them at any Family History Center.

Hi Linnea, Hope you got that Mass. stuff I found(sent snail) in Glenn Poorman's file.Bev

Hello Everyone, Below is a list of some of my ancestors. I have been unsuccessful in finding a birth record for William to prove that Samuel was his father. I have not been able to find a marriage record for either of them. I would appreciate whatever help anyone can provide. Thank you. Marjorie Hennessey mhenness@zoo.uvm.edu Samuel Rosenberger b. Aug 1792, PA (place?) (parents?) d. 30 Oct 1868, Cedarville (Freeport), Stephenson, Illinois m. Anna Marie (Mary, Marie) abt. 1814 Children: 1. Elizabeth b. 16 Jan 1815, Schaefferstown, Lebanon, PA d. ? m. Ezekiel Thomas, 19 July 1836, Salem Lutheran Church, Lebanon, PA 2. John George b. 18 Feb 1816, Schaefferstown, Lebanon, PA d. ? 3. William (my gr-gr-grandfather) b. 27 Feb 1821, PA (place?) d. 11 Sept 1888, Lebanon PA m. Rachel Posey, abt. 1844 in PA (place?) b. 14 June 1828, PA (place?)(parents: Jesse Posey & Elizabeth Care) d. 09 July 1888, Lebanon PA Children: 3.1. Henry Posey b. 08 Apr 1845, PA d. 01 Jan 1911, Lebanon PA m. Mary Seyler, 09 Sept 1869, Tabor First Reformed Church, Lebanon PA 3.2. Elizabeth b. 09 Sept 1848, PA d. 24 Sept 1849, N. Lebanon PA 3.3. Cyrus b. 1850, PA 3.4. David b. 07 Mar 1854, PA d. 11 Jan 1926, Swatara, Lebanon, PA m. Clara A. 3.5. Mary Alice b. 25 Feb 1856, PA d. 1875 m. Jacob Louser (Clouser) 3.6. Samuel b. 25 July 1858, PA d. ? m. Sallie E. Doll, 24 Dec 1879, Tabor First Reformed Church, Lebanon PA 3.7. John R. (my gr-grandfather) b. 24 Nov 1860, Lebanon PA d. 14 Dec 1916, Watervliet, Albany, NY m. Fannie Dunkle, 10 Sept 1882, Church of God, Middletown, Dauphin, PA (parents, John Dunkle & Elizabeth ?) 3.8. Ellen b. 19 Mar 1863, PA d. ? m. William Hughes 3.9. Sarah Ann (Sallie) b. 06 Oct 1866, PA d. ? m. Elmer Beard 3.10. Annie May b. 05 Nov 1868, PA d. 12 Nov 1870, PA 3.11. Ida Luberta b. 10 Oct 1871, PA d. ? m. Jerry Hummel 3.12. Gertrude b. abt. 1875, PA d. ? m. George Specht 4. Sarah b. abt. 1827 d. ? m. Jacob Eby, 12 Oct 1854, S. Lebanon, Lebanon, PA 5. Harriet b. abt. 1830 d. ? m. Jacob Peiffer, 09 Nov 1852, S. Lebanon, Lebanon, PA 6. Fianna (Phianno) b. abt. 1831 d. ? m. William Dounsberger, 05 Sept 1861, Salem Lutheran Church, Lebanon PA 7. Samuel b. Mar 1833 d. ? m. Mary Kahley (before 1856) 8. Cyrus b. abt. 1836 9. Mary b. ? d. ? m. Isaac Shay, 02 Sept 1846, Lebanon Borough, Lebanon, PA

At 10:11 AM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >At first, I thought PALEBANO to be a family name and couldn't figure out how I >wound up on THAT list!! Then the penny dropped and I realized what PALEBANO >meant!! > >I've LOTS of interest in that area (OWEN, TREON, perhqaps DECHANT) and may >become a pest on here with questions :-) No, I know better, that it's what >the mlg. list is for!! Dave Ross > > >==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >Thanks so much for joining the Lebanon County PA mailing list! > >HOWDY! WE ARE TREONS-- please email us at: gatreon@ctc.net. JEFF and BONNIE TREON

At first, I thought PALEBANO to be a family name and couldn't figure out how I wound up on THAT list!! Then the penny dropped and I realized what PALEBANO meant!! I've LOTS of interest in that area (OWEN, TREON, perhqaps DECHANT) and may become a pest on here with questions :-) No, I know better, that it's what the mlg. list is for!! Dave Ross

Thanks for the tip, Linnea Dave

Most times what I do is copy & hit reply (but don't send, unless you really do want to reply!!) Then all the background is ignored & the message *usually* can be read. This is a constant problem with AOL, since they do not have the same configuration for e-mail as the internet standard. When will they learn??? <G> -Linnea At 18:28 3/8/99, Newtross@aol.com wrote: >The Palebano/Gettle transmission, at least on my screen, is barely legible due >to background matrix of gray and cross-hatching. This is apparently a MIME >msg., and MIME is always a problem. Suggestions?? > > >==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >Thanks so much for joining the Lebanon County PA mailing list!

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The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 1999 by Richard W. Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. - Civil War Medal of Honor Database Online Every month, Sierra Home places a free database on their Web site. The database for March is the list of men awarded the Civil War Medal of Honor. To use the database, you simply enter a person's name. The first name is optional. If there is a match, you will receive information that may include the individual's rank and organization, the date they entered service and a citation about the reason for their award. For instance, here is one typical entry: Full Name: CLARK, CHARLES A. Rank and Org.: Lieutenant and Adjutant, 6th Maine Infantry. Place and Date: At Brooks Ford, Va., 4 May 1863. Entered Service At: -----. Accredited To: G.O. No. Birth: Sangerville, Maine. Born: Citation: Having voluntarily taken command of his regiment in the absence of its commander, at great personal risk and with remarkable presence of mind and fertility of resource led the command down an exceedingly precipitous embankment to the Rappahannock River and by his gallantry, coolness, and good judgment in the face of the enemy saved the command from capture or destruction. To search this month's free database, go to: http://www.sierra.com/sierrahome/familytree/records/ ---------

Greetings, Christ Luth Ch: Jeremias, son of William and Christine Petz (this is not a typo); b. 28 May 1789, bap 16 Aug 1789. Sp. George and Barbara Strickler ( who, by the way, are my 4g grandparents). 24 Nov 1778, Jacob Embig, son of Christian, m. Magdalena Rohland, dau. of Abraham, both from Lebanon. 04 Oct 1818, Jeremias Betz and Elizabeth Rohland. 02 Mar 1846, Abraham Rohland, widower, and Susanna Stumb, widow. 23 May 1844, Repecca Ruland sic, 44-7-7, died. Pentecost, 1771, Anna Elizabeth Ruhland, George's dau, confirmed. Those are all the entries in the Christ Luth. Ch. book. Elias, not St. Elias, Church is in Newmanstown, Lebanon Co, PA, which is, incidentally, my native town. It was a union church, organized about 1850. Leb. Co. Hist. Soc. has the records on microfilm, done by the LDS; so you could probably get them at any Family History Center. -----Original Message----- From: der@redrose.net <der@redrose.net> To: PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: Stouchsburg, Christ Lutheran Church >Does anyone have easy access to the Stouchsburg, Berks County, Christ >Lutheran Church records? I found some data yesterday in the Lebanon >County Historical Society regarding Jeremiah BETZ, who married Elizabeth >ROHLAND/ROLAND/ROWLAND on 4 Oct. 1817. I believe the parents were >William and Christina (for Jeremiah, bapt. 30 Aug. 1789), but want to >double check. If there is any other ROLAND info, would also greatly >appreciate it. Elizabeth is the daughter of Jacob ROHLAND and Christina >FERNSLER, the direct line ancestors whom I am researching. Thanks. Also, >does anyone happen to know where St. Elias Lutheran Church is located? In >the BETZ Family folder, I found reference to two children of Jeremiah and >ELizabeth and this church is mentioned. There is a fraktur "somewhere out >there" also, for this Elizabeth ROLAND, as per Papers for Birth Dayes. If >anyone knows what "Tillou" refers to (where the fraktur is located) please >let me know. Thank you! Finding info on this ROLAND/ROHLAND family has >been quite a challenge - any help greatly!! appreciated. > >Regards, >Donna Ristenbatt >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >der@redrose.net >Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS >http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, >Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, >Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, >Many Surnames and More! > >

Newt, Change the background to white. MIME message do not cause this type of problem. Bob Bensing > -----Original Message----- > From: Newtross@aol.com [mailto:Newtross@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 5:28 PM > To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PALEBANO-L] GETTLE > > > The Palebano/Gettle transmission, at least on my screen, is > barely legible due > to background matrix of gray and cross-hatching. This is > apparently a MIME > msg., and MIME is always a problem. Suggestions?? > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > Thanks so much for joining the Lebanon County PA mailing list! > >

The Palebano/Gettle transmission, at least on my screen, is barely legible due to background matrix of gray and cross-hatching. This is apparently a MIME msg., and MIME is always a problem. Suggestions??

Does anyone out there know anything about the general records of Schwenfelder Farms (1923)? Does anyone have info on these records? These records may be able to give me a clue on my family. Would appreciate anyones help. Thank you in advance, Joan

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I am searching for the ancestors of Elias Mader born about 1827. I do not know where he was born but I do know he lived at least part of his adult life in Lebanon Co. in the East Hanover area and he died there. Is anyone else researching this surname? Also, it was suggested to me that perhaps Mader could be a variation of Maderia.

In a message dated 3/6/99 4:37:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, hmaiman@prodigy.net writes: << I am searching for the ancestors of Elias Mader born about 1827. I do not know where he was born but I do know he lived at least part of his adult life in Lebanon Co. in the East Hanover area and he died there. Is anyone else researching this surname? Also, it was suggested to me that perhaps Mader could be a variation of Maderia. >> Any chance the name could be MATTER. That is my family and they lived primarily in Dauphin Co. beginning back in 1751. If you determine it might be, I may be able to help you. Roger Cramer