Linnea et al - I just recently got an example which may suggest the reasons for some other cases: 1845, Berks County. Catherine Frank petitions saying that her husband Daniel left her a widow with seven children, and would the court appoint guardians for the four who are minors under 14. Two who are minors over 14 (the oldest one I assume was no longer a minor) signed their own petitions, same date. The same man, who was not a relative as far as I know (though I have not really looked into it) was appointed guardian for all six of them. Now I know that at this point their father had been dead at least three years and maybe more. But I happen to know they had been collectively left part of a large and complicated estate in Lancaster Co, and I suspect that the reason they needed a guardian now was to look after their interests in that matter. I suspect he was a lawyer or at least someone who would know more about such matters than their mother would. It is my understanding that the mother could be guardian of minors unless/until she remarried, in which case one was appointed, but if she needed or wanted help she could ask for it. Jan Linnea Miller wrote: > > At 11:48 4/28/99, der@redrose.net wrote: > >Hi Helen, Donna and Linnea, > > > >> Hi Helen and Donna, > >> > <snip> > When children chose guardians in those days > >( those who were over 14, under 21), did they usually choose a family > >member, or could it just be a good friend? I can't help but wonder why > >Hermanus chose this Jacob RUDY, if he were a relative or whatever. It > >might provide me with some clues to this family. > <snip> > > > >Donna > > > >Donna > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Oftentimes it is a relative who is appointed guradian for these minor > children. But I have also seen "prominent" people in the area also being > appointed guardians - the name coming to mind is Valentine Schauffler (of > Bethel twp) who is shown to be guardian for quite a number of children > during his time (including some Stroh minors.) He served in the Revolution, > becoming an officer, was a large land owner, and was elected to the State > Legislature. So far, I have found no family connection to him. > > Most children did have guardians appointed when their father died, even > though the mother was still living. I must ask was this just the convention > of the time or was it a law? > > Thanks. > > -Linnea > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > Found any good sites lately? We'd sure like to know about them!

At 11:48 4/28/99, der@redrose.net wrote: >Hi Helen, Donna and Linnea, > >> Hi Helen and Donna, >> <snip> When children chose guardians in those days >( those who were over 14, under 21), did they usually choose a family >member, or could it just be a good friend? I can't help but wonder why >Hermanus chose this Jacob RUDY, if he were a relative or whatever. It >might provide me with some clues to this family. <snip> > >Donna > >Donna >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oftentimes it is a relative who is appointed guradian for these minor children. But I have also seen "prominent" people in the area also being appointed guardians - the name coming to mind is Valentine Schauffler (of Bethel twp) who is shown to be guardian for quite a number of children during his time (including some Stroh minors.) He served in the Revolution, becoming an officer, was a large land owner, and was elected to the State Legislature. So far, I have found no family connection to him. Most children did have guardians appointed when their father died, even though the mother was still living. I must ask was this just the convention of the time or was it a law? Thanks. -Linnea

I am going to throw some names out to see if I can get any bite. Yarnall, Yarnell, Hassler, Hosler, Hossler, Singer, Eldridge in the Berks, Lebanon, Colebrook, Lancaster area.

I am going to throw some names out to see if I can get any bite. Yarnall, Yarnell, Hassler, Hosler, Hossler, in the Lebanon, Colebrook, area. Linnea, Donna, It's a small world..........Desh, Herring, Eldridge, Miller. I wasn't sure I put your right address Linnea.........I didn't have my glasses onand missed a few letters......eek.

Thanks, Donna Thomas! Sure sounds like your Barbara DESCH is the mother of my husband's great-?-aunt Magdalena RUDY b 6 Feb 1800 who married Michael Stroh 30 Apr 1822, son of Johann Michael Stroh and Appolonia ? of Fredericksburg PA. I do have Magdalena & Michael's children, if you would like that information. Would you mind giving me the will book citation or number for Barbara's will - I'm assuming it is in Dauphin Co. Also, were these baptisms recorded in Zion Evan Luth Church in Fredericksburg? Thanks so much! -Linnea Miller At 22:21 4/27/99, Dmt1951@aol.com wrote: >Hi Helen and Donna, > >Just to throw another fly into the ointment...I have a Barbara Desch (Desh) >married to a Jacob Rudy in Fredericksburg, Lebanon Co. I have 3 daughters >for them. Magdalena Rudy born Feb 6, 1800, bapt Mar 1800; Barbara Rudy born >Oct 31, 1805, bapt Dec 1, 1805; and Margaret Rudy born Aug 24, 1811. All in >Fredericksburg. I have a copy of Barbara's mother's will listing her as "my >daughter Barbara now the wife of Jacob Rudy". On the 1790 Census for Bethel >Township two Jacob Rudy's were listed, one as Sr. > >Donna Thomas >

Jacob Rudy is my GGGgrandfather. He was born circa 1802. This would make this Jacob Rudy 18 at the time he was selected as gardian. Could this be? Could it be that Jacob's father was also a Jacob and an innkeeper? I do not know a great deal about him but I do know he was married to Barbara (last name unknown to me). They had 4 daughters, Amanda, Caroline, Angeline and Sarah. Caroline (Karolina) was born 2/12/1833 and baptised at Jonestown Lutheran. She married Elias Mader. The 1850 census lists Jacob's occupation as innkeeper and his age as 48. I also know that Jacob was listed in the 1870 census of Lebanon as living in a hotel and his occupation was retired innkeeper. The fact that RUDY is a fairly common name has made it difficult for me to figure out his parentage. Helen

Hi Helen and Donna, Just to throw another fly into the ointment...I have a Barbara Desch (Desh) married to a Jacob Rudy in Fredericksburg, Lebanon Co. I have 3 daughters for them. Magdalena Rudy born Feb 6, 1800, bapt Mar 1800; Barbara Rudy born Oct 31, 1805, bapt Dec 1, 1805; and Margaret Rudy born Aug 24, 1811. All in Fredericksburg. I have a copy of Barbara's mother's will listing her as "my daughter Barbara now the wife of Jacob Rudy". On the 1790 Census for Bethel Township two Jacob Rudy's were listed, one as Sr. Donna Thomas

I am looking for any info on the RUPP family of Lebanon. A good majority are buried in Moonshine. This is as far back as I have. Peter RUPP 1829-1889 md. Sarah NYE 1834-1891 They had the following children Elmira, John (1865-1881) Sara jane (died 1878) Mary, William(born 1873) and Jacob( 1876-1961. I believe Peters father was a jacob RUPP 1804-1861 and Peter had a sister Susanna. Jacobs wife in 1850 was a mary-----there is a large age gap between Sussanna and Peter---in 1850 Susana was 9 and Peter 21. William married Maggie KREISER b Nov. 1874-1943 they had at least 1 daughter Stella 1896-1923 md. Charles NEIDIG son of Henry and Kate YIENGST. They also had a son Grant P. 1903-1950 md. Annie SCHELL Their son Harry married Carrie WESTHAFER daughter of John WESTHAFER and Mary Ann KREISER. I also have a Maggie Ney (Nye?) 1873-1930 married Jacob DEAVEN in 1890 son of George DEAVEN III and Susanna RUPP. Lydia KREISER married Jacob DEAVENS in 1962 he was the son of George DEAVEN Jr.and Lydia RUPP Lydia was 1836-1906. Anyway if you could shake your Lebanon family trees and see if any RUPP's fall out of it I'd appreciate it. Thanks and have a great day---------------------nancy

Hi Bev, Thanks for the offer, but I have my Killinger line researched.Mine are buried at Hill Lutheran church,Lebanon county. Thanks again, Bev p.s. mine were: Anna Maria Killinger b- 12-25-1800, and husband Philip Gruber Peter Killinger Sr.b- 10-27-1776 and wife, Anna Maria Mueller Michael Killinger b- 5-15-1731 Europe and wife, Catherine Heilman Jacob Killinger and wife, Katrina (Michael's parents)

Does anyone have any information on David Long born in Pennsylvania who married Catharine Graby. I believe they may have lived in South Annville Twp. David and Catharine had a daughter Elizabeth Long ( 2/2/1831 - 4/26/1916 ) who married Henry Snyder. I believe they also had another daughter, Catherine who married Forman. David and Catharine may have also had 2 sons, John Long and Henry Long. Thanks, June wjyohn@gateway.net

Hi Donna! .... *Possibly* I have a very little bit on Jacob RUDY (I'm still working on compiling these records, so I'm not even sure if I have their children in my files): ---------- 1 Magdalena STROH. Born on 15 June 1792 in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.(1) Magdalena died in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania on 16 February 1878; she was 85.(2) Records of her death stated that she was the mother of seven children, grandmother of 36 grandchildren and great-grandmother of 30 great-grandchildren. On 20 February 1814 when Magdalena was 21, she married Jacob RUDY, in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania.(3) 2 Johann Michael STROH. Born on 17 April 1763 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania.(4) Johann Michael was baptized on 8 May 1763.(5) Johann Michael died in Stumpstown (now Fredericksburg), Lebanon County, Pennsylvania on 6 March 1821; he was 57.(6) Buried on 7 March 1821 in St. John's Churchyard, Fredericksburg, Lebanon County, Pennsylvania.(7) Johann Michael Firnssler and wife, Catharina, were named as sponsors at his baptism. He served in 3rd Company, 6th Battalion, Lancaster County Militia during the American Revolution. On 3 June 1786 when Johann Michael was 23, he married Appolonia (--?--), in Dauphin (now Lebanon) County, Pennsylvania.(7) Sources 1. Death Records Volume I, n.d., RIN#2564; Originally known as The William S. Kohr Death REcords (N.p.: Ms., N.d.), p. 116, Lebanon County Historical Society, Lebanon, PA. 2. Death Records Volume I, p. 116. 3. Pennsylvania German Marriages, n.d., RIN#7898; (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1982), p. 155. 4. Pennsylvania Births Lebanon County, p. 231. 5. Early Church Records, p. 211. 6. Revolutionary War Soldiers Buried. 7. Linnea Miller to John V. Reeb, 3 November 1997, Annville PA. ------------ Also Magdalena's brother, 1 Michael Stroh. Born on 7 March 1794 in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania. Michael married Magdalena Rudy. -------------------- If memory serves me, I believe this STROH family ended up with some type of "public house" in Fredericksburg. I'll have to look through my files further. -Linnea At 20:32 4/26/99, der@redrose.net wrote: >I recently discovered that my Hermanus RISTENBATT, born 1805, was choosing >a guardian in Nov. 1820 because *his* father, also named Hermanus >RISTENBATT, had died by then. The guardian he chose was Jacob RUDY of >Bethel Twp. When looking at an 1843 tax list for Bethel Twp, I saw a >Jacob RUDY listed as an Innkeeper. Does anyone have information on this >RUDY family? I am wondering what the connection is, if any to the >RISTENBATT family. Another brother of Hermanus, namely >John RIESENPOT (Hermanus' name is spelled RISSENPOT.), was a bound child >for John GLICK as per his 1822 will. (bond child per the will abstract, >bound child per the will. - thus always a good idea to check the original >will. ) > >Regards, >Donna Ristenbatt >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >der@redrose.net >Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS >http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, >Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, >Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, >Many Surnames and More! > > >==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: ><http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/>

Looking for info on brothers ? and sisters? of Oscar Reppert b.4-29-1872 d. 2-23-1932 m-4-7-1892 to Jane Selena Obenstine. Buried in Cornwall Methodist Cemetery, Lebanon Cty., PA. Any info on this would be helpful. Thanks.

Looking for any info on John Dietz b. 4-20-1903 d. 3-23-1988 m- Sallie Mae (nee) Reppert. Info on John's family, siblings, parents would be very helpful. Thanks.

Looking for info on children of Arthur S. Wilson b.2-10-1857 d. 7-30-1935 m- Annie E. (nee) Lee b. 12-9-1867 d. 1-3-1944 from Lebanon Cty. PA. At a block wall on this. Any info would be helpful.

Looking for info on children of William Henry Weaber b.10-25-1843 d. 1-5-1916 wife Sarah Jane(nee) Ristine b.10-2-1853 d. 5-30-1930. Lived in Duncannon area Perry Cty. PA til 1898 then migrated to Colebrook, Lebanon Cty. PA. Daus. Anna R.O. Weaber b. 8-13-1881, m- John A Andy b. 6-15-1878 and Mary Roseanna Weaber b. 8-12-1886 d. 10-28-1918, m-Franklin E. Keener b. 7-9-1881 d.10-12-1959. Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks.

Looking for info on children of William B. Weaber b.12-9-1818 d.5-29-1895 wife M. Sarah (nee) Werner b. 1-15-1824 d. 4-15-1886 dau. Anna Roseanna Weaber b. 11-3-1852, Sarah Elizabeth Weaber b.8-28-1856, & son David Thomas Weaber b. 12-8-1857. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

sorry, but those killingers are not in kelker's history of dauphin co. beverly wyld

Sorry, Gang, I should have done this before but wrote in a hurry. I am looking for decendents and/or ancestors of Charles H. KILLINGER and his wife, Cornelia R. PLEIS, b. 1841 d. 1930, m. 11 February 1864. Chris Researching: LEMAL, WATSON, WALKER, RESENDORPH, FARRER, PICKUP, CROMPTON, COPPOLA, DIDOMENICO, BENINCASA and many more. "Technology . . . the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it." ----- Max Frisch, 1911-1991 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m-a-r/Christine-E-Marino/ ChrisM5@email.msn.com Transcriber for the ISTG. The Immigrant Ship Passenger lists are located at <http://istg.rootsweb.com> Please support ROOTSWEB. WALKER Family Website http://www.jas.net/~sueowens/walkdir.htm -----Original Message----- From: arciay@pottsville.infi.net [mailto:arciay@pottsville.infi.net] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 2:26 PM To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALEBANO-L] Killinger Hi Christine, There are a few Killingers buried at Hill lutheran Church, North Annville, Lebanon County,Pa.There is a Killingers Creek in Annville.I descend from Killinger.Who is your ancestor?Mine are buried at Hill Church.I don't have the time right this minute to look them up.Mine is Michael Killinger, and others buried there.Gotta run,Bye Bev ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

Thanks, Dan! Chris Researching: LEMAL, WATSON, WALKER, RESENDORPH, FARRER, PICKUP, CROMPTON, COPPOLA, DIDOMENICO, BENINCASA and many more. "Technology . . . the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it." ----- Max Frisch, 1911-1991 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m-a-r/Christine-E-Marino/ ChrisM5@email.msn.com Transcriber for the ISTG. The Immigrant Ship Passenger lists are located at <http://istg.rootsweb.com> Please support ROOTSWEB. WALKER Family Website http://www.jas.net/~sueowens/walkdir.htm -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lee Wenger [mailto:DanielWenger@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:19 PM To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALEBANO-L] Killinger >I am new to the list and am posting my interest. >I am interested in the name KILLINGER from Annville, Lebanon Co and Germany. >Hoping to connect. >Thanks, Chris > >Researching: LEMAL, WATSON, WALKER, RESENDORPH, FARRER, PICKUP, CROMPTON, >COPPOLA, DIDOMENICO, BENINCASA and many more. >"Technology . . . the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to >experience it." >----- Max Frisch, 1911-1991 > > Max Here are the Killingers in my database. Dan Wenger My notation is: ~ means approximate * means no descendant information ^ means no ancestor information 0 means no descendants Benjamin Killinger Alleman, 1836.3.6 1917.11.24,, ^ Betty Killinger, 1930~,, * Carrie Otilla Killinger, 1892.9.20 1973.4.2,, 0 Elizabeth Killinger, 1760~,, ^ Elizabeth Killinger, 1860~,, ^ Ella Martha Killinger, 1886.12.15 1963.8.19 Jacob Killinger, 1860~,, ^ John A. Killinger, 1860~,, ^ John H. Killinger, 1860~,, ^ Louise Killinger, 1885~, G1355421 Magdalena Killinger, 1784.7.8 1863.12.22 Margaret M. wife of John A. Killinger, 1861~,, ^ Michael Killinger, 1760~,, ^ Naomi L. Killinger, 1893.4.19 Ralph Killinger, 1902.10.6 Robert Killinger, 1930~,, * Sarah Killinger, 1885~,, ^ Scelina Catherine Killinger, 1861 1919,, ^ Stella Irene Killinger, 1880~,, ^ Daniel Lee Wenger Santa Cruz, CA DanielWenger@worldnet.att.net http://wengersundial.com http://wengersundial.com/wengerfamily ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== Visit Rootsweb and support our sponsor: <http://www.rootsweb.com>

Hi Christine, There are a few Killingers buried at Hill lutheran Church, North Annville, Lebanon County,Pa.There is a Killingers Creek in Annville.I descend from Killinger.Who is your ancestor?Mine are buried at Hill Church.I don't have the time right this minute to look them up.Mine is Michael Killinger, and others buried there.Gotta run,Bye Bev