In the SHOOP'S CHURCH RECORDS I found this: On June 2, 1854 these children of David Mader & wife were baptized: Elias Mader Rachel " Caoline " Rehamah " Lucinda " There is also a David Mader who died on Dec. 21, 1856 at age 71-6-28; buried Shoop's Church cemetery. That Elias may be a wrong date for yours, but could be a family name. There are many Maders in the Shoop Church records. This is the only portion which I copied. Joyce

Have you been receiving a few replies so far? One I had to forward, but others were encouraged to write you directly, and send me a CC. Vince Shirley Schuldt wrote: > > Yes, please do post to your list. I have been looking for the link between Hans & Jan te Neues and William Nice for years. The story of those > brothers coming to the colonies matches the family legend of my father's emigrant, but I haven't been able to locate William's parents. > > Shirley > > Vincent Edward Summers wrote: > > > I responded from memory. That name may have come up in some variant > > spelling on our group. It looks familiar. May I post your message to > > my group, and let them respond to you? > > > > Then you can decide if you want to join. If you want to join anyway, > > there is no particular requirement. Just go to the button interface > > and sub. It is a discussion group, and no set hard-and-fast rules > > need apply. > > > > Vince > > Listowner > > > > Shirley Schuldt wrote: > > > > > > Vincent-- > > > > > > I am interested. There was, perhaps still is, a publication of Krefeld > > > descendants, citing them as original settlers of Germantown. One of the > > > surnames was te Neues which has descended in about a dozen different > > > forms from Neiss to Nyce. The furthest back I have been able to trace my > > > father's family was to William Niecs (later Nice) whose marriage in 1812 > > > in Scioto County, Ohio is the oldest record I have found. You do not > > > list te Neues or any variation. Was the Krefeld publication in error? > > > > > > Shirley Nice Schuldt > > > > > > "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Folks: > > > > > > > > I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above > > > > named email group, of which I am list owner. > > > > > > > > The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz > > > > Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families > > > > to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became > > > > well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, > > > > and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the > > > > Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol > > > > of the Land. > > > > > > > > What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? > > > > Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. > > > > Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis > > > > Bleikers > > > > Lensen > > > > Siemens > > > > Streyper --> Streepers > > > > Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens > > > > Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. > > > > Arens --> Aret > > > > Keurlis --> Keurlin > > > > Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. > > > > > > > > Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: > > > > > > > > Levering > > > > Schumacher or Shoemaker > > > > Kenderdine > > > > Potts > > > > DeHaven > > > > Cadwallader > > > > Kite > > > > Van Bebber/Van Bibber > > > > possibly Warner, etc., etc. > > > > Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. > > > > > > > > We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) > > > > and we cover everything connected to these ones. > > > > > > > > Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, > > > > the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. > > > > Keithian Split > > > > Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 > > > > Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff > > > > > > > > We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents > > > > of at least two organizations as members, and a strong > > > > german background, and homepage at: > > > > > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ > > > > > > > > At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. > > > > Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not > > > > public for reasons that some data organizations have > > > > provided has been provided on the condition that it > > > > can be released to our group, but not to the public > > > > at large. > > > > > > > > Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but > > > > have relevant data you would like to share, and would > > > > not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals > > > > who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a > > > > simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: > > > > > > > > vsummers@nrao.edu > > > > > > > > But please consider joining our little group of about > > > > 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email > > > > lists, and is on Cyndi's List. > > > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > > > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > > > > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/> > > > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > > Found any good sites lately? We'd sure like to know about them! > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: > > <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html> > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: > <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

Yes, please do post to your list. I have been looking for the link between Hans & Jan te Neues and William Nice for years. The story of those brothers coming to the colonies matches the family legend of my father's emigrant, but I haven't been able to locate William's parents. Shirley Vincent Edward Summers wrote: > I responded from memory. That name may have come up in some variant > spelling on our group. It looks familiar. May I post your message to > my group, and let them respond to you? > > Then you can decide if you want to join. If you want to join anyway, > there is no particular requirement. Just go to the button interface > and sub. It is a discussion group, and no set hard-and-fast rules > need apply. > > Vince > Listowner > > Shirley Schuldt wrote: > > > > Vincent-- > > > > I am interested. There was, perhaps still is, a publication of Krefeld > > descendants, citing them as original settlers of Germantown. One of the > > surnames was te Neues which has descended in about a dozen different > > forms from Neiss to Nyce. The furthest back I have been able to trace my > > father's family was to William Niecs (later Nice) whose marriage in 1812 > > in Scioto County, Ohio is the oldest record I have found. You do not > > list te Neues or any variation. Was the Krefeld publication in error? > > > > Shirley Nice Schuldt > > > > "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > > > > > Dear Folks: > > > > > > I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above > > > named email group, of which I am list owner. > > > > > > The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz > > > Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families > > > to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became > > > well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, > > > and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the > > > Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol > > > of the Land. > > > > > > What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? > > > Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. > > > Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis > > > Bleikers > > > Lensen > > > Siemens > > > Streyper --> Streepers > > > Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens > > > Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. > > > Arens --> Aret > > > Keurlis --> Keurlin > > > Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. > > > > > > Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: > > > > > > Levering > > > Schumacher or Shoemaker > > > Kenderdine > > > Potts > > > DeHaven > > > Cadwallader > > > Kite > > > Van Bebber/Van Bibber > > > possibly Warner, etc., etc. > > > Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. > > > > > > We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) > > > and we cover everything connected to these ones. > > > > > > Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, > > > the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. > > > Keithian Split > > > Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 > > > Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff > > > > > > We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents > > > of at least two organizations as members, and a strong > > > german background, and homepage at: > > > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ > > > > > > At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. > > > Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not > > > public for reasons that some data organizations have > > > provided has been provided on the condition that it > > > can be released to our group, but not to the public > > > at large. > > > > > > Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but > > > have relevant data you would like to share, and would > > > not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals > > > who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a > > > simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: > > > > > > vsummers@nrao.edu > > > > > > But please consider joining our little group of about > > > 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email > > > lists, and is on Cyndi's List. > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > > > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/> > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > Found any good sites lately? We'd sure like to know about them! > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: > <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

>I am looking for the Mader family history. Lillie Mader was born in >1856 in East Hanover. I know she died in Jonestown in 1921. Her father >was Elias. I am not able to discover his parentage or his birth place. Is >anyone researching this name? I have, in the past 6 to 9 months, discovered a Mader ancestor of my own and begun researching this family. The person in question is a Lucinda Mader (d. 1892) who married a Daniel Wenrich (d. 1873) and lived in the West Hanover Township, Dauphin County and later in Harrisburg. I have relatively little information on the Mader line, and I know nothing of Lillie Mader or her father Elias. From the sound of it, however, you Maders and mine lived in the same general area, so there may well be a connection. Dave dablauch@davidson.edu

I am looking for the Mader family history. Lillie Mader was born in 1856 in East Hanover. I know she died in Jonestown in 1921. Her father was Elias. I am not able to discover his parentage or his birth place. Is anyone researching this name? Helen

Donna, You are great! June der@redrose.net wrote: > I was at the Lebanon County Courthouse this past week and found they had > books called Petition for Probate. I was only casually looking, so did not > pay attention to the dates, but the one I was searching was 1924. I > mention this because the Petition for Probate listed all the deceased's > children - who had died without a will - and the will of his brother did > not even mention *his* own children! I knew that NYC had Petition for > Probate, but did not realize that PA had it. This is a valuable research > tool for those hunting children's names. > > Regards, > Donna Ristenbatt > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > der@redrose.net > Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS > http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, > Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, > Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, > Many Surnames and More! > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > Thanks so much for joining the Lebanon County PA mailing list!

Hello Donna; You do have any idea how far back the records go for these Petition of Probate record am looking for some in the mid 1800's. Thank you - Ahlive

Missouri! I don't think I ever heard of an Ayres branch from there. Maybe they were returning home? Sure, I would be interested! Thanks! Vince June Everheart wrote: > > Vince: I don't know if I have had correspondence with you in the past > about the Ayres, but my little Everheart cemetery up in Grayson county > is full of "Ayres". This particular branch of Ayres came from Missouri > during the Civil War. If you are interested, I will give you more > history on this family. Mike Everheart > > Vince Summers wrote: > > > Hi, Folks: > > > > It is good to see a fellow chemist online! > > > > I have a copy of the CD, though the volumes are located > > at UVA (I do not work there, but at the N.R.A.O.). > > > > My relative, George Bucher AYRES is one of the major > > contributors to the original Annuals. And understandably > > so. George's father, William Ayres was deeply involved > > in the development of Harrisburg, and had arrived even > > earlier at Philadelphia, than his father, Samuel Ayres. > > > > George was the first Cadet in his father's school, which > > was a military institute called, if I remember correctly, > > Partridge's. Dr. William Henry EGLE (to be) was to > > enter the field (with distinction) as historian. So it > > was natural for Dr. Egle to invite George to participate > > in laying out much information he had at his fingertips > > or his recall. In fact, George was granted an "Honorary > > Historian" position. > > > > Dr. EGLE died in 1900, as I recall, and his memorial is > > laid out in the final volume of the series. > > > > He covered such delightful topics as Indian raids and > > massacres, the Whiskey Rebellion, the development of > > the City of Harrisburg, various obscure graveyard > > inscriptions, fire-department memberships, court > > disputes, family-trees, etc. Dr. Egle also published > > other materials, one of which (naturally) was a book of > > Pennsylvania Genealogies, one whole chapter of which was > > on AYRES. It was how I got started (in a really big way) > > on my AYRES data. There may be several errors, though I > > must confess whenever I have crossed paths with the data > > from other sources (limited) they have never deviated > > one from the other, with the sole exception of Lizzie > > W. Hicks (so listed by EGLE) being, according to birth > > record Lizzie M. Hicks... And who can say with absolute > > firmness that it was not the birth record that was wrong? > > Remember the source Dr. Egle undoubtedly used... > > > > I believe, also, full well, that there must be errors, > > some typo (as even Lizzie W. may have been), and some > > otherwise. But I could not really let the concept stand > > that he had a careless outlook on the data he received. > > > > But, then, maybe I have cause for bias... > > > > Vince > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > If you have a personal web page, please share your URL with us! > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/>

I noticed the "Kite" name listed. I think this may be the Kites that migrated to Rockingham Co., VA., and some of them went on to Hawkins Co., TN about 1796. My Eberhardt/Everhart family were neighbors in Rockingham Co. and Hawkins Co.. Which brings me to my Balthasar Eberhardt who landed in Philadelphia Harbor on Oct. 31st, 1774 aboard the ship "Sally" from Rotterdam. I am trying to find him in the Rhineland-Pfalz state. Can anyone help me to cluster Eberhardts by phone numbers in order to have a starting point by area. Secondly, are there indenture records in Lancaster Co. for the period of 1774 through 1778? Thank you, Mike Everheart-TX Shirley Schuldt wrote: > Vincent-- > > I am interested. There was, perhaps still is, a publication of Krefeld > descendants, citing them as original settlers of Germantown. One of the > surnames was te Neues which has descended in about a dozen different > forms from Neiss to Nyce. The furthest back I have been able to trace my > father's family was to William Niecs (later Nice) whose marriage in 1812 > in Scioto County, Ohio is the oldest record I have found. You do not > list te Neues or any variation. Was the Krefeld publication in error? > > Shirley Nice Schuldt > > "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > > > Dear Folks: > > > > I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above > > named email group, of which I am list owner. > > > > The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz > > Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families > > to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became > > well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, > > and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the > > Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol > > of the Land. > > > > What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? > > Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. > > Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis > > Bleikers > > Lensen > > Siemens > > Streyper --> Streepers > > Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens > > Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. > > Arens --> Aret > > Keurlis --> Keurlin > > Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. > > > > Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: > > > > Levering > > Schumacher or Shoemaker > > Kenderdine > > Potts > > DeHaven > > Cadwallader > > Kite > > Van Bebber/Van Bibber > > possibly Warner, etc., etc. > > Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. > > > > We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) > > and we cover everything connected to these ones. > > > > Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, > > the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. > > Keithian Split > > Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 > > Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff > > > > We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents > > of at least two organizations as members, and a strong > > german background, and homepage at: > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ > > > > At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. > > Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not > > public for reasons that some data organizations have > > provided has been provided on the condition that it > > can be released to our group, but not to the public > > at large. > > > > Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but > > have relevant data you would like to share, and would > > not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals > > who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a > > simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: > > > > vsummers@nrao.edu > > > > But please consider joining our little group of about > > 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email > > lists, and is on Cyndi's List. > > > > Vince > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/> > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > Found any good sites lately? We'd sure like to know about them!

Vince: I don't know if I have had correspondence with you in the past about the Ayres, but my little Everheart cemetery up in Grayson county is full of "Ayres". This particular branch of Ayres came from Missouri during the Civil War. If you are interested, I will give you more history on this family. Mike Everheart Vince Summers wrote: > Hi, Folks: > > It is good to see a fellow chemist online! > > I have a copy of the CD, though the volumes are located > at UVA (I do not work there, but at the N.R.A.O.). > > My relative, George Bucher AYRES is one of the major > contributors to the original Annuals. And understandably > so. George's father, William Ayres was deeply involved > in the development of Harrisburg, and had arrived even > earlier at Philadelphia, than his father, Samuel Ayres. > > George was the first Cadet in his father's school, which > was a military institute called, if I remember correctly, > Partridge's. Dr. William Henry EGLE (to be) was to > enter the field (with distinction) as historian. So it > was natural for Dr. Egle to invite George to participate > in laying out much information he had at his fingertips > or his recall. In fact, George was granted an "Honorary > Historian" position. > > Dr. EGLE died in 1900, as I recall, and his memorial is > laid out in the final volume of the series. > > He covered such delightful topics as Indian raids and > massacres, the Whiskey Rebellion, the development of > the City of Harrisburg, various obscure graveyard > inscriptions, fire-department memberships, court > disputes, family-trees, etc. Dr. Egle also published > other materials, one of which (naturally) was a book of > Pennsylvania Genealogies, one whole chapter of which was > on AYRES. It was how I got started (in a really big way) > on my AYRES data. There may be several errors, though I > must confess whenever I have crossed paths with the data > from other sources (limited) they have never deviated > one from the other, with the sole exception of Lizzie > W. Hicks (so listed by EGLE) being, according to birth > record Lizzie M. Hicks... And who can say with absolute > firmness that it was not the birth record that was wrong? > Remember the source Dr. Egle undoubtedly used... > > I believe, also, full well, that there must be errors, > some typo (as even Lizzie W. may have been), and some > otherwise. But I could not really let the concept stand > that he had a careless outlook on the data he received. > > But, then, maybe I have cause for bias... > > Vince > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > If you have a personal web page, please share your URL with us!

Sorry, Folks... I tend to forget that some groups have the default send a reply to everyone. Sorry. Vince

I responded from memory. That name may have come up in some variant spelling on our group. It looks familiar. May I post your message to my group, and let them respond to you? Then you can decide if you want to join. If you want to join anyway, there is no particular requirement. Just go to the button interface and sub. It is a discussion group, and no set hard-and-fast rules need apply. Vince Listowner Shirley Schuldt wrote: > > Vincent-- > > I am interested. There was, perhaps still is, a publication of Krefeld > descendants, citing them as original settlers of Germantown. One of the > surnames was te Neues which has descended in about a dozen different > forms from Neiss to Nyce. The furthest back I have been able to trace my > father's family was to William Niecs (later Nice) whose marriage in 1812 > in Scioto County, Ohio is the oldest record I have found. You do not > list te Neues or any variation. Was the Krefeld publication in error? > > Shirley Nice Schuldt > > "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > > > Dear Folks: > > > > I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above > > named email group, of which I am list owner. > > > > The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz > > Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families > > to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became > > well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, > > and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the > > Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol > > of the Land. > > > > What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? > > Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. > > Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis > > Bleikers > > Lensen > > Siemens > > Streyper --> Streepers > > Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens > > Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. > > Arens --> Aret > > Keurlis --> Keurlin > > Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. > > > > Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: > > > > Levering > > Schumacher or Shoemaker > > Kenderdine > > Potts > > DeHaven > > Cadwallader > > Kite > > Van Bebber/Van Bibber > > possibly Warner, etc., etc. > > Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. > > > > We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) > > and we cover everything connected to these ones. > > > > Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, > > the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. > > Keithian Split > > Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 > > Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff > > > > We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents > > of at least two organizations as members, and a strong > > german background, and homepage at: > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ > > > > At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. > > Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not > > public for reasons that some data organizations have > > provided has been provided on the condition that it > > can be released to our group, but not to the public > > at large. > > > > Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but > > have relevant data you would like to share, and would > > not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals > > who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a > > simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: > > > > vsummers@nrao.edu > > > > But please consider joining our little group of about > > 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email > > lists, and is on Cyndi's List. > > > > Vince > > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/> > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > Found any good sites lately? We'd sure like to know about them!

Vincent-- I am interested. There was, perhaps still is, a publication of Krefeld descendants, citing them as original settlers of Germantown. One of the surnames was te Neues which has descended in about a dozen different forms from Neiss to Nyce. The furthest back I have been able to trace my father's family was to William Niecs (later Nice) whose marriage in 1812 in Scioto County, Ohio is the oldest record I have found. You do not list te Neues or any variation. Was the Krefeld publication in error? Shirley Nice Schuldt "Vincent E. Summers" wrote: > Dear Folks: > > I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above > named email group, of which I am list owner. > > The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz > Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families > to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became > well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, > and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the > Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol > of the Land. > > What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? > Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. > Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis > Bleikers > Lensen > Siemens > Streyper --> Streepers > Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens > Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. > Arens --> Aret > Keurlis --> Keurlin > Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. > > Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: > > Levering > Schumacher or Shoemaker > Kenderdine > Potts > DeHaven > Cadwallader > Kite > Van Bebber/Van Bibber > possibly Warner, etc., etc. > Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. > > We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) > and we cover everything connected to these ones. > > Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, > the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. > Keithian Split > Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 > Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff > > We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents > of at least two organizations as members, and a strong > german background, and homepage at: > > http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ > > At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. > Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not > public for reasons that some data organizations have > provided has been provided on the condition that it > can be released to our group, but not to the public > at large. > > Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but > have relevant data you would like to share, and would > not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals > who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a > simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: > > vsummers@nrao.edu > > But please consider joining our little group of about > 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email > lists, and is on Cyndi's List. > > Vince > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: > <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/>

Get on the PA Turnpike (I-76) and go east to the Lebanon/Lancaster exit (Exit 20). Take Route 72 north to Lebanon (about 8-10 miles). The road will split at one point and the traffic coming south on Route 72 will be one way. Bear to the right at this point and follow that road (8th street) into the city and take a left on Cumberland Street (the main east/west street in Lebanon) and go west a short distance. The historical society will be on the left side of the street near the light at (I think) 9th street. It has been a while since I went there but Lebanon is my "home" county so I shouldn't be too far off in the directions. Good luck.

Dear Folks: I would like to briefly invite any who desire to join the above named email group, of which I am list owner. The Concord, in 1683, brought (under the guidance of Franz Daniel Pastorius who came under a different ship) 13 families to what became Germantown, Pennsylvania. Germantown became well known, due to these ones, for their anti-slavery stand, and, in addition, Germantown became in the 1790's due to the Yellow Fever being so rampant in Philly proper, the Capitol of the Land. What are the surnames of the thirteen, and their descendants? Op den Graeff --> Updegraff, Uptegraff, Updegrove, etc. Tunes --> Tunis, Tennis, Dennis Bleikers Lensen Siemens Streyper --> Streepers Lucken --> Lukens, Lykens, Likens Kunders --> Conard, Cunraeds, etc. Arens --> Aret Keurlis --> Keurlin Theissen --> Tisen, Tyson, etc. Descendants: Not all known at the moment, but commonly: Levering Schumacher or Shoemaker Kenderdine Potts DeHaven Cadwallader Kite Van Bebber/Van Bibber possibly Warner, etc., etc. Many I cannot think of off the top of my head. We have a large archive of data emails (over 1000) and we cover everything connected to these ones. Recently such topics as: The Lukens Papers, the Op den Graeff Stained Glass Windows, still extant. Keithian Split Cadwallader connections to many of the 13 Data claims for Hermann Op den Graeff We stress, very heavily, source. We have presidents of at least two organizations as members, and a strong german background, and homepage at: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/cavendish/693/ At this site, you can join our emaillist if you wish. Archives is at http://www.listbot.com/ but is not public for reasons that some data organizations have provided has been provided on the condition that it can be released to our group, but not to the public at large. Hope to have you with us. If you cannot join us, but have relevant data you would like to share, and would not mind releasing it, or hearing from any individuals who have a direct tie-in to your own line, send a simple copy and paste or text file to me, at: vsummers@nrao.edu But please consider joining our little group of about 150. It is listed under Pennsylvania Rootsweb Email lists, and is on Cyndi's List. Vince

Thanks. I will be careful in future of the stories. Vince

> It is good to see a fellow chemist online! Yes, we chemists need to stick together. :) The Egles volumes are a wonderful resource and I have used them frequently. For the most part, I have found the information to very pretty good. I have a couple of examples (one involving my Blauch ancestors ... hence perhaps my sensitivity), in which the information has significant errors; hence my earlier comments. It is generally the stories and tales, some from anonymous sources, that I have found most likely to suffer from errors, which is unfortunately because many of these stories are wonderful to read. Thanks for the information about George Bucher Ayres. I'm glad to learn about this very interesting connection. Dave David N. Blauch, Associate Professor Department of Chemistry, Davidson College P.O. Box 1719, Davidson, NC 28036 Tel. (704) 892-2308 FAX (704) 892-2709 http://www.chm.davidson.edu/dablauch/dablauch.html

Hi, Folks: It is good to see a fellow chemist online! I have a copy of the CD, though the volumes are located at UVA (I do not work there, but at the N.R.A.O.). My relative, George Bucher AYRES is one of the major contributors to the original Annuals. And understandably so. George's father, William Ayres was deeply involved in the development of Harrisburg, and had arrived even earlier at Philadelphia, than his father, Samuel Ayres. George was the first Cadet in his father's school, which was a military institute called, if I remember correctly, Partridge's. Dr. William Henry EGLE (to be) was to enter the field (with distinction) as historian. So it was natural for Dr. Egle to invite George to participate in laying out much information he had at his fingertips or his recall. In fact, George was granted an "Honorary Historian" position. Dr. EGLE died in 1900, as I recall, and his memorial is laid out in the final volume of the series. He covered such delightful topics as Indian raids and massacres, the Whiskey Rebellion, the development of the City of Harrisburg, various obscure graveyard inscriptions, fire-department memberships, court disputes, family-trees, etc. Dr. Egle also published other materials, one of which (naturally) was a book of Pennsylvania Genealogies, one whole chapter of which was on AYRES. It was how I got started (in a really big way) on my AYRES data. There may be several errors, though I must confess whenever I have crossed paths with the data from other sources (limited) they have never deviated one from the other, with the sole exception of Lizzie W. Hicks (so listed by EGLE) being, according to birth record Lizzie M. Hicks... And who can say with absolute firmness that it was not the birth record that was wrong? Remember the source Dr. Egle undoubtedly used... I believe, also, full well, that there must be errors, some typo (as even Lizzie W. may have been), and some otherwise. But I could not really let the concept stand that he had a careless outlook on the data he received. But, then, maybe I have cause for bias... Vince

> Could you or someone else explain what Egle's Notes and Queries is? I have seen > it referred to many different times, but I have never seen an explanation of > what it is. > I believe Egle was the librarian of the Pennsylvania State Library or at any rate he held a position there. Perhaps someone else on the list knows his exact position. Egle was a genealogist/historian, and he collected all sorts of pieces of information from many different sources. I'm not sure how these tidbits were originally published, but "Notes and Queries" (published in the 1890's for the most part) is a collection of the information he compiled over the years. Some of the information in "Notes and Queries" is very reliable and comes from readily identifiable sources (e.g., church records, such as the Bindnagles Church). Other pieces of information are not worth the paper they are written on (or plastic, if you have a CD-ROM). Egle pretty much just published every piece of information he received and made little or no effort to verify it. The series can be a useful place to find obscure pieces of information, but you need to exercise extreme caution when interpreting this information. Just because it is published in "Notes and Queries" does not make it true. But I guess this is true of all sources, especially secondary sources. If the information concerns church records, tax lists, testate records, etc., it is probably accurate and in any event you can readily verify it. In some respects, the most intriguing and valuable entries are the stories and tales, but these are unfortunately the portions of the series that are most prone to inaccuracies. Dave David N. Blauch, Associate Professor Department of Chemistry, Davidson College P.O. Box 1719, Davidson, NC 28036 Tel. (704) 892-2308 FAX (704) 892-2709 http://www.chm.davidson.edu/dablauch/dablauch.html

Hi Donna, Could you or someone else explain what Egle's Notes and Queries is? I have seen it referred to many different times, but I have never seen an explanation of what it is. Thanks! Lynn Paules From: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com on 09/23/99 03:13 PM MST Please respond to der@redrose.net To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com cc: (bcc: Lynn M Paules/Lancaster/BPO/Armstrong) Subject: [PALEBANO] Egle's Notes and Queries Could someone who has the CD of Egle's Notes and Queries, or else the multi-volume set, kindly do a simple look-up for me? I just wish to confirm the husband of a certain woman that I understand he mentions in this set. Thank you. You may contact me via my e-mail address below. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, Many Surnames and More! ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== A great on-line resource; the Lebanon County PA GenWeb Page: <http://www.chm.davidson.edu/PAGenWeb/>