In a message dated 10/27/99 10:13:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KianaMaria@aol.com writes: << My gguncle Moses LIGHT m. Amy. Amy is still alive in the nursing home just outside Lebanon City next to the prison >> This nursing home is called Cedar Haven, I have a 96 yr. old ggaunt living there. Anyone doing research on the Ebright/Carpenter's Barbara Ebright

I have a question for those of you with the book by Rev. Francis...since I've not been able to find a copy of it either... My gguncle Moses LIGHT m. Amy. Amy is still alive in the nursing home just outside Lebanon City next to the prison. I've met her once and didn't think to ask her, and my grandmother doesn't know. I know that my grandma and her siblings are mentioned in the book, so I was wondering if Uncle Mose & Aunt Amy are in the book and if so, does it mention Aunt Amy's maiden name? Thank you, Natalie J. Seiwell

Ann and Harold: As you search through the church records in Lebanon Twp., please keep your eyes open for any baptism records for any of Balthasar Eberhardt's children, time frame of 1775 through 1782. Any other place in Lancaster Co. also. Please don't go out of your way, but only if its the same time frame you are looking at. I have been looking at LDS microfilm of churches in that area, but no luck as of yet. Please don't think I am too brash, but if I don't ask, I may never find any records. Have a good trip and good hunting!! Mike Everheart/Texas P.S. Could your Brightbill name once been Brakebill?? ann and harold brightbill wrote: > Am going to the Lebanon area for a factfinding trip the second week of > November and was wondering if someone could tell me where good places are > that have the various records for research--census,marriage,birth,death etc. > in the Lebanon area. I know the state library in Harrisburg has them but I > would like to stay in the Lebanon/Palmyra area. Thanks > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: > <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

Can anyone tell me where mummys hill in harrisburg is? cricket

I am wondering if anyone is making a trip to any of the historical societies or court houses if they would be willing to find a birth certificate for me. I am more than willing to pay for time and copies if someone can do the leg work for me. Please contact me privately to work out the details. I appreciate your help and willingness to lend a hand! THANKS!!!

Chris, > Let me know if you can use a gedcom file, I'll send it to you so you can > check out the info I have. I am researching this line for my stepfather, > John Killinger. Thanks for responding. I can read GEDCOM files. If you wish to send me one, I'll be happy to examine it. If I find information in my files that is not in the GEDCOM file, I'll gladly forward that information to you. I must tell you that my information on the Killinger line is fairly narrowly focused on Michael Killinger. My research has been directed towards identifying and learning about my direct ancestors. My connection to the Killinger line is through the Early family. If my memory is correct, Christian Early married one of the daughters of Michael Killinger. So I pretty much only have information on Michael Killinger and his family. I cannot remember, off hand, if I have any information on the parents of Michael Killinger. Dave David N. Blauch, Associate Professor Department of Chemistry, Davidson College P.O. Box 1719, Davidson, NC 28036 Tel. (704) 892-2308 FAX (704) 892-2709 http://www.chm.davidson.edu/dablauch/dablauch.html

David, Let me know if you can use a gedcom file, I'll send it to you so you can check out the info I have. I am researching this line for my stepfather, John Killinger. Thanks for responding. Chris ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Blauch, David [mailto:dablauch@davidson.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 10:50 PM > To: 'Christine E. Marino ' > Subject: RE: [PALEBANO] KILLINGER > > > Christine, > > >I have traced the Killingers back to Michael Killinger (1731-1815). Any > >one else researching these same Killingers? Please contact me. > > I am also a descendent of Michael Killinger (15 May 1731 to 11 July 1815) > and Catharine Heilman (25 April 1740 to 8 February 1804). I am happy to > exchange information. > > Dave > dablauch@davidson.edu >

I would suggest both the Lebanon Historical Society, and the Court House. From: "ann and harold brightbill" <brightbill@lynchburg.net> on 10/27/99 11:34 AM GMT Please respond to PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com cc: (bcc: Lynn M Paules/Lancaster/BPO/Armstrong) Subject: [PALEBANO] Pennsylvania records Am going to the Lebanon area for a factfinding trip the second week of November and was wondering if someone could tell me where good places are that have the various records for research--census,marriage,birth,death etc. in the Lebanon area. I know the state library in Harrisburg has them but I would like to stay in the Lebanon/Palmyra area. Thanks ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

The Library at 125 N 7th St Lebanon, Pa The Mulmiciple Building on 8th St Lebanon Pa Histriol Society 924 Cumberland St. Lebanon Pa Lebanon Daily News at 8th & Popular St. Lebanon, Pa here are some that I know of Barbara Ebright

The Lebanon Historical Society is in the 900 Block of West Cumberland Street. Others will probably know specifically what they have, but I've heard repeatedly about their records. I'm a former Lebanon resident that never had this interest till after I left for college. Earl Shay earl@shay.net -----Original Message----- From: ann and harold brightbill [mailto:brightbill@lynchburg.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 7:34 AM To: PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALEBANO] Pennsylvania records Am going to the Lebanon area for a factfinding trip the second week of November and was wondering if someone could tell me where good places are that have the various records for research--census,marriage,birth,death etc. in the Lebanon area. I know the state library in Harrisburg has them but I would like to stay in the Lebanon/Palmyra area. Thanks ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== For a great list of most of the on-line mailing lists (and ability to subscribe to them) check out John Fuller's Internet Resources web page: <http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/internet.html>

Am going to the Lebanon area for a factfinding trip the second week of November and was wondering if someone could tell me where good places are that have the various records for research--census,marriage,birth,death etc. in the Lebanon area. I know the state library in Harrisburg has them but I would like to stay in the Lebanon/Palmyra area. Thanks

Lebanon County Court House 400 South 8th Street Lebanon PA 17042 717-274-2801 Lebanon County Historical Society 924 Cumberland Street Lebanon PA 17042 http://www.leba.net/~history2/ history@leba.net Don't know the hours Byrl Laucks

I have traced the Killingers back to Michael Killinger (1731-1815). Any one else researching these same Killingers? Please contact me. Thanks, ;-) Christine E. Marino chrism5@email.msn.com Proud member of the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild

Leroy J. Miller wrote: > > John Light-Monterey,CA wrote: > > > > I believe I have found some of the elusive stones from the old > > Light/Licht Family burial plot once located in east Lebanon aka "The > > East Lebanon Cemetery", on the farm of Johannes Licht, 1725/26. > > > > I do not know if this is a new theory or not. I have not found > > anyone, nor any new documents to propose other theories, > > aside from the information compiled from P. C. Croll in 1894 and J.G. > > Francis prior to 1958. As those in the know are aware, Francis' work > > was finally published and edited in 1990 by Betty M. Light Behr; > > however, I do not believe Betty added any comments to those of Francis > > or his son Willard on this issue. > > > > I recently returned from visiting Ebenezer cemetery in North Lebanon. > > After speaking with two very helpful, but equally stumped, caretakers > > (one for the Covenant yard, and the other for the Greenwood yard), I > > finally took to searching the yards stone by stone hoping to find the > > one (or two) that belonged to John Light 1725/26 m. Anna Landis 1730. > > This would be II John Light (b. 2/21/26, d. 3/11/1806), the oldest son > of I John Light, "The Immigrant". > > > The Convenant caretaker's workhouse had a very old and deteriorated map > > of the cemetery on its wall. However, it was unreadable, and I had > > nothing else to go on. (Has anyone requested help from or found > > information through the Covenant church?) > > > > I found a stone that appears to be inscribed "Johannes Lic . . ." > > Nothing much else readable, and with evidence of excessive rubbing > > (!), and other stones to the left and right of it completely worn, one > > completely broken off or missing, and on the other side of the worn > > stone on the right, one belonging to "Johan Licht", 1767-1814. > > This would be III John Light (b. 12/29/1767, d. 1/10/1814), the seventh > son of II Martin Light. > > An > > American flag and Revolutionary War (SAR?) medallion sits between the > > two stones on the right. > > > > The cemetery engraving/marker index I found at LCHS does list a > > "Johannes Licht" with the dates in agreement with JG Francis' II John > > Light. In the index it is immediately followed with reference to the > > stone of "Johan Licht", the dates agree with Francis as Johan Licht of > > 1767-1814. The inscription on the larger stone (this is the one I > > suggest belongs to II John Light) is now completely worn. It was > > partially worn when the index was compiled, but readable when > > transcribed by Croll in 1894. > > > > These stones sit just southwest of the (old Ebenezer?) entrance where > > the road circles round an area with the largest trees of the yards, > > between the two yards. According to Croll, and as quoted by > > Francis, John's and Anna's graves/stones were moved to Ebenezer in 1894, > > but others had been moved earlier on according to other accounts. (1876, > > 1886-88). > > > > However, the "Johan Licht" stone that sits here would not be their > > child, nor their grandchild, but their nephew (son of II Martin, pgs 13, > > 250 in Francis), "Martin, 1726" according to Daniel Wenger's online > > database that is closely based on Francis. (I DO NOT have > > Francis'/Behr's "Pioneers" book, btw, so I am having difficulty piecing > > this together.) > > Rev. Francis says on p. 340 of the book edited by Betty Light Behr: "III > John Light, p. 250, son of II Martin, m. Mary Light, doubtless the dau. > of II John Light, p. 15, for III John calls Abraham Light, doubtless II > John's son, his brother-in-law. II Martin conveys his home farm, the > Mt. Leb. Cemetery Farm, to his son John (III John herewith) Mar. 2, > 1798, and here John resided. He made his will Jan. 9, 1814, mentioning > his wife Mary, his sons Abraham & David his daughter Mary who receives > 1000 pounds. III John died rather young, age 46 years. His wife is not > buried beside him. She may have remarried. He is buried beside his > Uncle II John in Ebenezer Cemetery & was doubtless previously buried in > the same cemetery with him at 3rd and Lehman Sts. He (III John > herewith) had buried a son here and not unlikely his father II Martin > was also buried here and the marker destroyed." > > This "Johan Licht" is too young to be (one of) the > > revolutionary soldiers John Light. > > > > An online essay on these stones with photographs in html format can be > > found at: > > http://www.redshift.com/~jblight/Licht.htm > > > > My queries here now are for those who have the Francis book or > > additional knowledge or would like to help me figure this one out. I am > > seeking translation of the Old German script inscriptions as recorded by > > Croll (and included on the web pages). Anyone, please forward this > > message to those who might be working on the line of II John Light > > 1725/26-1806, and please refer to the web pages. I keep hearing rumor > > that others are working on these early generations, but who(?), and why > > is the research such "top secret" ;-) > > > > Croll discusses three or four stones (two belonging to John and/or Anna > > Light 1725/26, as they agree in family description) but another he > > describes as red sandstone belongs to Johannes Licht b. 1720. Does > > this Johannes Licht 1720 appear in Francis' book? Does anyone have > > additional theory on how he connects to the family? Is this stone the > > source for the name Maria that keeps popping up as the wife of John > > Light the Immigrant? However, these same accounts don't seem to place > > this Johannes Licht as a first son to the senior immigrants. > > ************************************************************ John, First I must admit that the first time I replied to your message I was so excited that I had not checked out your web site. I have done that now and discovered several fascinating puzzles there, but the one that I found most absorbing was the identity of the Johannes Licht born in 1720, which you mention directly above. It absorbed several hours of my time in the middle of the night last night. The tombstone in question you identify on your web site as "4. Johannes Licht 1720-1798" You also equate this with Croll's facsimile stone No. 1, which has the inscription: "Hier Ruhet Johannes Licht, ist gebohren den 6 december 1720. Er is ein Sohn des Johannes und Maria Licht, is gestorben 6ten abril 1798. Sein alder war 7 Jahr 4 monat." Translation: "Here rests John Light, is [was] born December 6, 1720. He is a son of John and Maria Light, died the 6th of April 1798. His age was 7 years 4 months." On the web page you asked the question, "Included by Francis?, Croll: an elder brother or cousin of John Light II?" The first remarkable thing about the inscription as recorded by Croll is that it is internally inconsistent. If the dates of his birth and death were correct, he would have lived to an age of 77 years 4 months. Did Croll miss a 7? I think not. First, there is no mention of a wife; but of course, he might not have been married, although this would have been unusual. Perhaps he was an imbecile who the family kept hidden, and that's why we never heard of him! Only his parents are mentioned, however, just as would be expected of a child. At this point I recalled the appearance of the numbers 2 and 9 in German script. Often the loop is not closed on the 9, and often the loop of the 2 looks much the same. The only distinguishing difference is the horizontal tail on the 2. Could Croll have mistaken a 2 for a 9, or a 9 for a 2? Consider the possibility that the 1798 was actually 1728. You suggested that this Johannes Licht might have been an older brother of our II John Light. Indeed, it was not unusual to name a second child after a previously deceased child, but this person was still alive when our II John Light was born, so that hypothesis does not hold water. You also suggest that he might have been a cousin of our II John Light (although we never heard of such a cousin before.) However, if this were the case, and if the inscription is correct in saying his father was John Light, that our I John Light (the Immigrant) would have had to have a brother also named John Light. Not likely at all! Moreover, if he died in 1728, he would have been dead before our I John Light settled in Lebanon County, since Rev. Francis says he bought his land on Dec. 29, 1738 (Francis, p. 10). He bought the land from Casper Wistar, who had patented it on Mar. 28, 1737. Was Rev. Brane right in saying John Light had come in 1719 (Francis, p. 10)? I doubt very much that anyone had settled in Lebanon in 1728 (any comments, anyone?) (My wife's ancestors settled along the Tulpehocken Creek in 1723, about 15 to 20 miles east of Lebanon between what is now Stouchsburg and Womelsdorf, and at that time William Penn's treaty with the Indians had given him the rights to settle only up to the east side of the Tulpehocken.) Since a death date of 1728 seems improbable, how about the other possible error---that he was born in 1790 and died in 1798? If this was the case, our II John Light was too old to be his father. How about the several III John Lights? II John Light's son, III John Light of Bethel, married Mary Dohner. The name Mary was often a translation of Maria, so this fit the inscription; and they had a son IV John Light, but he was probably born in the early 1770s, and he grew to adulthood and had 6 children of his own (Francis, pp. 18, 20). No fit here. II Jacob Light had a son III John Light, but he married Veronica Light, and their son IV John Light was born Dec. 19, 1782, and died Nov. 20, 1844 (Francis, p. 413). These data do not fit the inscription. II Henry Light had a son III John Light, who is thought to have had two wives, first Anna____ and then Magdaline Bachman; neither of these names fit the name of the mother on the inscription. Little is known about their children (p. 496). This leaves II Martin Light, who had a son III John Light. This III John Light married Mary Light, whose name can be equated with the Maria of the inscription; and guess what? They had a son IV John Light who was born Dec. 6, 1790, and died Apr. 6, 1798 (Francis, p. 340)! These dates fit the inscription precisely, once we change the birth year from 1720 to 1790. Case closed. Now, if you re-examine the quotation that I previously cited (see above) from p. 340 of Rev. Francis' book, you will see that: "III John Light, p. 250, son of II Martin, m. Mary Light...... III John died rather young, age 46 years......He is buried beside his Uncle II John in Ebenezer Cemetery & was doubtless previously buried in the same cemetery with him at 3rd and Lehman Sts. He (III John herewith) had buried a son here---". This son was the Johannes Licht, also called IV John Light by Rev. Francis, whose tombstone you found. I enjoyed this mystery, but I missed my sleep. Leroy Miller

Lehman Street is named for Benjamin Lehman, an engineer for the Union Canal. John Hower At 07:07 PM 10/24/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, Lehman Street is in Lebanon running east/west. I'm not sure how it >got it's name; bit I do know there where families by that name in the area. > >Betty > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert Pereira <pereira@mixcom.com> >To: <PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 5:53 PM >Subject: [PALEBANO] Lehman Street > > >> I was reading the response Blair sent about Johannes Licht stones(aka John >> Light) and notice he referred to a Lehman Street. Can anyone tell me how >> it got it's name? Is that street in Lebanon? >> >> Kathy Pereira >> >> >> ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >> To contact the owner of the PALEBANO Mailing List, please contact: >> ltmiller@mail.ptd.net >> > > >==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== >Check out the Lebanon County PA Historical Society web page: ><http://www.leba.net/~history2/> > > >

Yes, Lehman Street is in Lebanon running east/west. I'm not sure how it got it's name; bit I do know there where families by that name in the area. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Pereira <pereira@mixcom.com> To: <PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 1999 5:53 PM Subject: [PALEBANO] Lehman Street > I was reading the response Blair sent about Johannes Licht stones(aka John > Light) and notice he referred to a Lehman Street. Can anyone tell me how > it got it's name? Is that street in Lebanon? > > Kathy Pereira > > > ==== PALEBANO Mailing List ==== > To contact the owner of the PALEBANO Mailing List, please contact: > ltmiller@mail.ptd.net >

I was reading the response Blair sent about Johannes Licht stones(aka John Light) and notice he referred to a Lehman Street. Can anyone tell me how it got it's name? Is that street in Lebanon? Kathy Pereira

der@redrose.net wrote: > > Hi John and other LIGHT researchers, > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:06:48 -0700 > > From: "John Light-Monterey,CA" > Is the flag placed here because > > Francis once believed and tradition holds that II John Light was > > secretary to the Lebanon Resolves? > > According to the DAR Patriot Index, ladies have joined the DAR using > various LIGHTs as their Rev. War ancestor. John LIGHT married to Anna > LANDIS is listed for Public Service. > Regards, > Donna Ristenbatt > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I meant to comment on the "Lebanon Resolves" in my previous message, but I was interrupted by a phone call and lost my train of thought. I assume that what you call the "Lebanon Resolves" is the group that passed the resolution on June 25, 1774, signed by John Light, Secretary, and J. P. DeHaas, Chairman, as printed on p. 17 of Rev. Francis' book. Rev. Francis revealed his pique with the following comment: "Rev. Croll eulogizes at great length Major DeHaas, later Brig. Gen., and Captain Greenawalt he could not overlook, he must pass on to the Gloningers, the "Weidman House," to Mr. J. Andreas Shultze, etc., etc., but not one word for John Light who first penned the foregoing noble words. Of course the descendants of John Light should not be admitted to the Sons of the Revolution or to the D.A.R.. He does not belong to America's aristocracy. He was only a Mennonite and what is a Mennonite? Surely Lebanon will yet bestow becoming honor on John Light." (If the above paragraph sounds like something is missing, that is way the paragraph is written in the book.) As to Rev. Francis' preference for identifying this John Light as a III John Light rather than the II John Light that you mentioned above, it is given in a footnote on p. 18: "My father had added the following pencilled note to his manuscript: "More likely it was John, son of II Jacob Light." (See page 406)" For clarification here, let me say that II John Light was married to Anna Landis. III John Light the son of II Jacob Light was Rich Hanessly and was married to Veronica Light. I was also going to comment on "Henry the Fuller" in my previous message. He had a "fulling mill." What was a fuller??? My dictionary gives the definition: "A person who fulls cloth" and then says that the verb "full" means "to cleanse and thicken cloth by special processes in manufacture." I think he made felt. One would think that they could have come up with a few other names in place of all the Jacobs and Henrys and Johns (no offense, John Light in Monterey!!). It reminds me of the report I heard on TV several years ago that discussed the plight of the postmaster in Gap, PA, who had to contend with the distribution of mail to something like 17 Amish men named Jacob Stolzfuss in his territory! I'll quit now, and go do something useful, like mowing the lawn. Leroy Miller

der@redrose.net wrote: > > Hi John and other LIGHT researchers, > > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:06:48 -0700 > > From: "John Light-Monterey,CA" > > > > > Why does "Johan Licht" appear to have a revolutionary medallion, isn't > > it misplaced? One revolutionary war soldier was "Johannes Licht" > > according to the cemetery index b. 1752 (but I didn't find this stone), > > and Francis mentions III John Light ("John Light of Bethel" pg. 18) as a > > soldier and gives no dates for him, but has him buried in "Light's > > Graveyard" on Little Swatara Creek. Isn't it the SAR (or DAR) that > > places the flags, and what information do they work from, do they have > > information we do not have access to? Is the flag placed here because > > Francis once believed and tradition holds that II John Light was > > secretary to the Lebanon Resolves? > > According to the DAR Patriot Index, ladies have joined the DAR using > various LIGHTs as their Rev. War ancestor. John LIGHT married to Anna > LANDIS is listed for Public Service. Then the others listed as actually > fighting are: > > Henry Sr. married to Barbara LANDIS > Henry Jr. married to Magdalena FUNCK > Jacob, married to Veronica ELLENBERGER ( who is this Jacob?) Do they mean > Johannes? > Jacob Sr. married to Elizabeth LANDIS > Jacob married to Barbara BRANDT. > > It is my understanding that the DAR puts markers there, but it could be > both DAR and SAR. > > Regards, > Donna Ristenbatt > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I will paraphrase the summary on p. 644 of the Rev. Francis/Betty Behr book, with other information from the book. I give their wives maiden names in parenthesis for clarification. In Capt. Stoever's Company: [1] III John Light of Bethel, oldest son of II John Light. (Mary Dohner) [2] III Henry Light, second oldest son of II John Light, and son-in-law of II Jacob Light. (III Maria Light) In Capt. John Stone's (Stein's) Company: [3] III John Light, also known as Hannes Light or "Der Reich Hanessly" or "Rich Hanessly", the oldest son of II Jacob Light, and a son-in-law of II John Light. (Veronica Light) [4] II Jacob Light, the third son of I John Light the Immigrant. (Elizabeth Landis) [5] II Henry Light, the fourth and youngest son of I John Light the Immigrant. (Barbara Landis) [6] III Jacob Light, third son of II John Light. (Barbara Brandt) [7] III Jacob Light, oldest surviving son of II Martin Light (another, older son of II Martin was also named Jacob but died as a child before this III Jacob was born). (Veronica Ellenberger) [8] III John Light, second oldest son of II Henry Light. (Magdaline {or Magdalena} Bachman, and probably earlier to Anna____) In Capt. Mathias Henning's Company: [9] III Henry Light, also called Henry the Fuller, the oldest son of II Henry Light. (Magdalena Funk) Quoting from p. 644: "All of our Lebanon County Lights, 9 in number, of military age in 1781, were in their country's service. It is our contention III John, II Jacob's son, was the John Light who was Secretary of the meeting held in 1774 to protest the British outrages in Boston, of which meeting John Philip DeHaas was chairman." "As for the sons of II Anna Light, married to Rudolph Meyer, our problem may be a little confusing. The Meyers in Lebanon County at the time of the Revolution were much more numerous than the Lights;......The Meyer family in the Revolution was represented in every one of the eight Companies in our present Lebanon County." The account then goes on and lists 26 Meyers in the service and their possible connections. II Anna Light Meyer had 8 or 9 sons, and Rev. Francis believed that 6 or 7 were in the service, according to my interpretation of his comments. Her son-in-law, Michael Brenizer, is also believed to be the Michael Breneisen in Capt. Michael Holderbaum's Company. III Anna Light, a daughter of II Martin Light, was married to Henry Yorty, who Rev. Francis says was doubtless the Henry Yorty in Capt. Baltzer Orth's Company. My comment: This was a Mennonite family. Traditionally Mennonites have had pacifistic beliefs. How does one reconcile this traditional pacifism with the enthusiasm for the Revolution? Perhaps there is a book somewhere that discusses this. I welcome your comments. Leroy Miller

Message text written by INTERNET:PALEBANO-L@rootsweb.com >Hi, Does anyone know where the Tabor 1st Reformed Church is located in Lebanon County. I know that is where Peter Lehman and Elizabeth Gilbert were married in 1827, but I don't know what city or town it is in. Also does anyone of a good source for church records from 1790 thru 1830. The county records don't go back that far. Kathy Pereira< The church is at 10th and Walnut sts. and I recently sent for and received a baptismal record. Renee Haag is the Church genealogist and also stated that their marriage records did not start until 1808. Karen Klaene Cincinnati,OH <benklaene@compuserve.com>