Does anyone have information on the Wilhelm Heim family that was born May 10, 1715 in Mutterstadt, Germany I am trying to find his wife's name and his parents names. Wilhelm's wife might be: Ann Margaretha Reisinger who was listed with him? Both were unmarried when they came over to US. He came to America 1727 on the Ship Thistle --ship lists however spelled his last name KEIM instead of HEIM Philip Grosscost and wife Anna Margaretha Heim came over at the same time. Anna is Wilhelm's sister. Wilhelm Heim settled in Hanover Twp, York Co. PA His son Francis was born in 1737 Francis had a son John Heim b. 10-12-1763, my husbands 9th great grandfather. John's wife's name is also unknown. Two of Wilhelm Heim's siblings are Ann Margeretha and Hans Paulus Heim born in Mutterstadt German. I would like to chat with anyone who has any information and will share all that I know. Dottie and John Himes Dottie Himes Ozark, Arkansas djhimes@ipa.net "Happy Genealogy Searching. It is addictive but so much fun" ----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Haggett" <yvonne@pandyhaggett.supanet.com> To: <PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [Palatines] SMELTZER and BIBLE > Hi > > I'm new to the list. My husband's great-grandmother was Ann Victoria SMELTZER, whose father, Philip, was of Irish Palatine descent. I would love to find out what village in Germany his ancestor, Peter SMELSER, from whom all Irish Palatine Smeltzers are believed to be descended, came from. <snip> Johannes Schmeltzer, b. 1706, probably in Swabia, emigrated to Philadelphia, America and married Elisabeth Korr abt. 1737. They had seven children, John Peter 1738, Johannes 1741, Elisabeth 1743, Margaret 1745, Sabina 1746, Jacobina 1749 and John Jacob 1752. Harold

Bill Hughes wrote: > > I now know that there is no surname of LNU, that it is an > abbreviation for Last Name Unknown. Sheeeeeesh, do I feel dumb! Bill, I wouldn't worry about it, Bill. I didn't know what it was either. Me thinks it is another one of the BTW and IMHO stuff the computer cliques use to impress. Regards, John

I now know that there is no surname of LNU, that it is an abbreviation for Last Name Unknown. Sheeeeeesh, do I feel dumb! However, I'm still faced with the mystery of those places I mentioned. Vollmersbach Idar-Oberstein Mosbach-Biebrick Can anybody help me with locating these places? Thanks, Bill

I thought I had encountered a lot of German surnames thru the years, but this one has got me. Provided, that is, if it is correct. Have any of you ever seen or heard the surname of LNU ? This would have been in the Mosbach-Biebrick and//or Wiesbaden area in the latter 1600s. Also, can someone tell me where the area of Vollmersbach Idar-Oberstein is//was at? Trying to follow up on some fresh leads. Thanks. Bill

Hi I'm new to the list. My husband's great-grandmother was Ann Victoria SMELTZER, whose father, Philip, was of Irish Palatine descent. I would love to find out what village in Germany his ancestor, Peter SMELSER, from whom all Irish Palatine Smeltzers are believed to be descended, came from. The SMELTZER family has been extensively researched and published in two books by Marjorie R SMELTZER, "The Smeltzers of Kilcooly" (1981) and "Irish-Palatine Smeltzers around the World" (1987). I read in the archives the message about the BIBLE family of Kilfinane (28 Feb 2002). On p. 137 of "Irish-Palatine Smeltzers around the World" are details of a marriage between a SMELTZER and a BIBLE. "Maria SMELTZER c 1838-1925; m # 1 Peter BIBLE 9 February 1859 Kilcooly (Ch Reg) (d 1868), son of William BIBLE and (Mary COOKE m 1812 ?); m # 2 Andrew PEARSON. Twins (BIBLE) died in infancy." The children of Maria SMELTZER and Peter BIBLE were as follows:- William BIBLE 6/1/62 land steward Mullinbro, Co WAT; em CAN c 1913; in Edmonton, ALB 1932 John BIBLE 4/4/1864; em Canada 1885; visited mother IRL 1913; in Edmonton, ALB 1932 Frank Henry (Harry) BIBLE Jr; c 1865; em CAN end of War of NW Rebellion; visited IRL 1913; operated family grocery business Toronto landmark for over 50 years; lived Logan Ave 1932; m Fanny Elizabeth ROBINSON (C1868 - 1960). Ch: Frank Henry Jr BIBLE Mary Anne BIBLE d 12/1/18; m John COOKE of Bonlea. Ch: Henry, Peter, Susan, Maria, Adam, Kate, John, William, Elizabeth COOKE Susan Jane BIBLE 2/10/1867; 7 mos old when her father died; kept house for bro William; worked as maid bef marriage; m Edward McCarthy on 6/12/00 Kilcooly (1868); lived Crohane, Killenaule The Exodus from the Palatinate 1709 The Palatinate lands had been fought over for many years, various rulers laying claim to them. There was a particularly vicious campaign in 1707, which forced many of the population to flee, then in the winter of 1709 there was a very severe frost which killed many of the fruit trees and vines. Large numbers of the inhabitants had heard that the English were looking for settlers for their colonies in the New World and travelled to Rotterdam, from where the British transported them to England. They were lodged in encampments and houses, but far too many to be sent to America all at once. It was decided to send some of them to Ireland. One party went to the estate of Sir Thomas Southwell in Co Limerick. Marjorie Smeltzer reports (p 4 of "Irish-Palatine Smeltzers around the World"): "Sir Thomas Southwell, who became Baron Southwell in 1717, was an Irish lord and member of Parliament, interested in fostering the linen industry and increasing the Protestant population. On ! his estate in Rathkeale, Co. Limerick, was settled the largest colony of Palatines (approximately 1200), at Court Mattress, Killiheen and Ballingrane. Subsequently many moved to Adare, Pallaskenry, Askeaton, Kilfinane and Ballyorgan in Co. Limerick; Castle Island in Co. Kerry; Kilcooly, Co. Tipperary; and Papatinetown, Co. Carlow. Sir Thomas loaned his tenants considerable sums of money and helped with gifts of various kinds, including timber for their homes. In 1712 he asked the government to repay some of his expenses, noting that about 130 were settled there and successfully raising hemp, flax and livestock. His heirs were Roman Catholic and less sympathetic to the Palatines. In 1711, only 577 families remained of the 821 that had been brought to Irland in 1709 and 1710. In 1712 there were 263 families and 979 persons left in Ireland. Fifty years later John Wesley estimated that there had been 110 families settled on Lord Southwell's estate. Rt. Hon. Silver Oliver settled 60 families of approximately 700 individuals in Kilfinane, C. LIM, about 1740. Some of these later married into families in Kilcooly. Sir Richard Quin, father of the first Lord Dunraven, established a colony of Palatines at Adare in 1776. Col. Blennerhasset brought Palatines to his estate at Arabella, near Castle Island, Co. Kerry, about 30 years earlier. In 1776 there were 15 or 16 families there. He gave each family a cow, horse and everything needed for a year and leased small farms at half their value. Palatines introduced the wheeled plough and replaced the sliding Irish cart with a wheeled cart. Sir William Barker invited Palatines to Kilcooly, Co. Tipperary, in 1772." I hope this will be of some assistance to someone. Yvonne

hello everyone, i am researching the surnames MULLER, Jacques born ca 1747 HUTHER, Anne Maria born ca 1747 VOLLMAR, Peter b 1793 SHUMACHER, Eva b 1803 BAER, Adam b 1860 RENZ, Frank b 1853 PASZOTTA, Frances b 1875 thank you kathy Researching; DOUGHERTY, BRENNAN, MACDONALD, MCLAUGHLIN, GORDON, SHEPHARD, in Ireland, Pennsylvania RENZ (RENTZ), VOLLMER (FULLMER), SCHUMACHER (SHOEMAKER), HUTHER, MULLER (MUELLER), in Germany, Ohio or Indiana BAER, PASZOTTA, SHUTT (SCHUTT) in Germany, Delaware, Indiana or Philadelphia ----------------------------------------- list "mom" for; Vollmer-L@rootsweb.com Germans-to-Phila-L@rootsweb.com Paszotta-L@rootsweb.com ----------------------------------------- my home page: http://community.webtv.net/kathy556/DoughertyGordonBaer

Hi all, I'm new, and suspect I may have Palatine great-great grandparents. John GLAZIER, b.1839 married in Sept. 1860 to Ann BOVANIZER (our spelling) b. 1840 ; family history and 1892 Clarendon, Orleans Co., New York, USA census say both born in Ireland. I'm still searching for more info on them. Chris M.

Hello to the list. I am new here. I am searching for ancestors and relatives of the Arthur BIBLE family of Kilfinane Limerick Ireland. Arthur had a daughter, Frances, born 1800, who married Robert MCGINNESS. They lived in Kilfinane for some time, had a son, Arthur Bible MCGINNESS, and then emigrated to Canada, settling in the Richmond, Lennox and Addington county, Ontario area. I would like to find others descended from Palatines in this part of Ireland to see if we can find out when they came to Ireland and from exactly where. Thanks! Carol Colvin Puyallup WA USA ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I am researching several families that I now find were Palatines. My first connection was Rev. Peter Helphinstine (Helfinstine) who came into Va. in the 1750s. They were one of the early settlers in Winchester (Frederick Co), Va. Another family that I am researching is the Piper family that came into Pa from Ireland. Didn't know until the past couple of weeks that they were Palatines. James Piper married a Margaret Greer (or possible Grear) in Ireland before coming to America. Any help with these families would be appreciated. Jack Dayton (jdayton4@aol.com)

Hi, Listers, Does anyone connect with the Weinrich family? Philip emigrated with two brothers and his father, Christoph in the mid 1800s. They settled in Ross County, Ohio. Philip married Harriet Ralston , and they had a number of children. Lee

On 25 Feb 2002 at 22:28, Jim Beattie wrote: > > I am tring to find any information re: George Detlor b. abt 1777 > at Staten Island, New York who married Letty Van Pelt b. abt > 1766 at Flatlands, King's County, New York. It appears that > Letty had 2 children: William Van Pelt Detlor and Elsy Ann Van > Pelt Detlor several years before her and George were married Jim, Can you tell us a bit more about George and Letty? Do you know George's parents' names? And do you have the names of George and Letty's children? Sometimes naming patterns of children can help provide clues as to grandparents' names. Do you have any bpt records? Sometimes witnesses provide clues to famiy relationships. Also, you may already realize this, but in case you don't, it is quite probable that your Letty's name is really Aletta. Letty would be the shortened form. I offer this just as an idea for your research efforts. Another possibility is to check the Flatlands and Staten Island records. I have Flatlands online on Olive Tree Genealogy pages starting with bpt 1747 at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/nn/church/flatlands1.shtml The Staten Island records (bpt 1696-1790) are available on Ancestry.com I think. I have a link to a 14 day free trial that they are offering - you might want to take advantage of it! Go to the URL I gave for the Flatlands church above - look on the left hand side bar of my page (about half way down) The link to the 14 day free trial is there. Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze For research tips, notices of new database and more, join my Olive Tree Genealogy Newsletter at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OliveTreeGenealogy/join The Olive Tree Genealogy http://OliveTreeGenealogy.com/ My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net olivetreegen@netscape.net

Hi Folks I am tring to find any information re: George Detlor b. abt 1777 at Staten Island, New York who married Letty Van Pelt b. abt 1766 at Flatlands, King's County, New York. It appears that Letty had 2 children: William Van Pelt Detlor and Elsy Ann Van Pelt Detlor several years before her and George were married. I believe that Letty was married to a Van Pelt previous to George but have no proof. George and Letty emigrated to the Fredericksburgh area of Upper Canada. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I am also researching the Hoffman\Huffman family as well as the File family. Also, a big thankyou to Lorine for putting this list together, it's been needed for a long time!!!!!! Jim Beattie

Believe Johannes Koch born Sept. 1705 Alsace , now Bas-Rhin. We believe came to America on "Snow Betsey"in 1739 settled in Lititz Pa. Joined Moravian Church. married a Dorothea ______. Would like to find out if he lived there though Childhood or removed to Rottingham, before sailing to Am. Don't know if married orver there or after coming to Am. Please if anyone knows or can tell me how to find out . I am new to this list. Djkoch2@aol.com Thank you Dorrine V. Koch

----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Weaver" <dweaver@cts.com> To: <PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: [Palatines] Weber > My 8 th generation Grandfather Rev Anthony Jacob Henckel arrived in the port > of Philadelphia in Sept 1717 with 326 persons. There was a list of these > persons available at one time, now lost. I seek a copy of this list as I > believe that my WEBER ancestor was one of them. I offer a contribution for a > copy of this list. Douglas Weaver > > > ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== > If you must use a signature line with surnames, use > S*M*I*T*H, S.M.I.T.H. or S M I T H > > Anything else confuses the search engines in the archives > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >Douglas Weaver

On 24 Feb 2002 at 0:08, ScismGenie@aol.com wrote: > May suggest that if any Palatine researchers have non-web > published transcripts of Palatines that came over that copies of > the lists be sent to Lorinne? > > Her Olivetree site and others have a good selection of some of > the Palatine vessels, but there are many that have not yet been > web published. Jeff, This is a terrific idea! I have a list (courtesy of ken McCrae) of all ships carrying Palatines from 1727 to 1808 online at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/palship_list.shtml If you go there you will note that I have links to the online passenger lists -- many are on my site Olive Tree Genealogy. These are marked with my little Olive Tree logo. Some are on other sites, and these are indicated as OffSite I'd really like to complete the list! I'd like to get the full set of passenger records for the ships I have listed that have no corresponding link. If any researcher has a list (or access to one) and would be willing to type it up and send it to me as a text file (*.txt) I will be happy to code it and put it online for all to share. Please be sure, as Jeff notes, to add the source information and your own name as contributor of the list. Great idea, Jeff! Let's get all the passenger lists online! What a great project for us to accomplish. Lorine Lorine McGinnis Schulze For research tips, notices of new database and more, join my Olive Tree Genealogy Newsletter at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OliveTreeGenealogy/join The Olive Tree Genealogy http://OliveTreeGenealogy.com/ My Family Branches http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/ otg@csolve.net olivetreegen@netscape.net

May suggest that if any Palatine researchers have non-web published transcripts of Palatines that came over that copies of the lists be sent to Lorinne? Her Olivetree site and others have a good selection of some of the Palatine vessels, but there are many that have not yet been web published. Please if you do decide to do this indicate and cite sources. Jeff

I am descended from George Lentz who came from Alsace-Lorraine. >From: "Jim Duggan" <messers@attbi.com> >To: PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Palatines] Index of Surname Occurrence >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:22:54 -0800 > >I am new to this facility, so my question may have been asked before. I am >researching where my ancestors came from, and understand it was this >section >of Germany. Is there an index of surname occurrences for this region? For >example: Where (in what cities or other political subdivision) in the >Palatinate would I likely find the surnames LENTZ (maybe LENZ) and FLORA? > >Is there a map of the section of Germany called the Palatinate? I realize >the description is "along the Rhine river, in the States of Rhineland >Westfallen, and portions of Alsace Lorraine". That is not altogether >clear. >Are the cities of Koeln, Wuppertal, Saarbruecken, Trier, Aachen, Heidelberg >or the Black Forest included? I hope you get my point. > >Thanks for help. > >Jim Duggan >genealogy@jimduggan.com > > > >==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== >If you must use a signature line with surnames, use >S*M*I*T*H, S.M.I.T.H. or S M I T H > >Anything else confuses the search engines in the archives > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Gene Stackhouse "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened." _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

My 8 th generation Grandfather Rev Anthony Jacob Henckel arrived in the port of Philadelphia in Sept 1717 with 326 persons. There was a list of these persons available at one time, now lost. I seek a copy of this list as I believe that my WEBER ancestor was one of them. I offer a contribution for a copy of this list. Douglas Weaver

Hello listers, I am new to this list and looking for any information at all on where to learn more about the origins of these families including on what ship(s) they came to the USA , where they came from in Germany,and any details on the families in the USA Conrad SCHÖN (bc1755)and Margretha LEISSINGER (b1767) were married in Hagerstown MD 17 August 1791 in the Lutheran Church (German Reformed Congregation) by Pastor Jacob Goering. Conrad SCHÖN was naturalized in MD in 1798 according to Court records. To qualify I understand he had to be in the US 5 years, 1 of those years in the state. Conrad's record in this reference states that he is a resident of Hagerstown, a whitesmith, and formerly a subject of the Emperor of Germany" which means the location of origin, possibly Freiburg (or Friedberg - spelled "Frieberg" in a family letter written by a gr-granddaughter about 1890). However, he is also on the list of naturalizations in Washington County in 1787, 11 years before the above finding ("ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/washington/census/wash87.txt"). I don't know which is correct.. With Margretha LEISSINGER and Conrad SCHÖN (also Schoen/Schon/Shain) came four children, Rebecca, William, Henry, and Amelia to Ontario about 1800. With them were Margretha's sister, Anna Maria, and husband Michael HAUCKS/HOUX I know of the Houx only that they had a daughter Mary in 1796 and twin daughters Julianna and Sarah also baptised in the German Reformed Congregation (Lutheran) 1798 in Hagerstown. In the 1800 census for Washington Co., MD there was also a possible relative, Henry Shane, with a wife and seven male children and four female children. In the "History of Western Maryland being a history of Frederick, Montgomery, Carroll, Washington, Allegany and Garrett Counties from the Earliest Period to the Present Day", v. II, Baltimore:Regional Publishing Co. 1968, Henry Shane is listed as a tavern keeper among 350 white inhabitants of Hagerstown before 1805. Henry Shane, 1816, is on a list of wills "Wills of Washington County, Maryland 1776-1890" by Dale Walton Morrow and Deborah Sue Jensen, 1977. I don't know if Conrad was related but I believe he may have been- also Conrad had a son Henry. With thanks for any information and/or clues on how to connect these families and their origins, Adel McKay