Joan, Another possibility is that the name could be derived from French. They could be French Protestants (Huguenots) forced out of France c. 1588 or whenever the St. Batholemew's Massacre was and into the land bordering the Rhine, hanging out for a few generations, marrying German women and speaking German before emigrating. I've seen this pattern in another of my lines. your cousin, Leslie -----Original Message----- From: Joan & Wayne [mailto:tattoo@golden.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:58 PM To: PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Palatines] Name What would/could the German equivilant be of the surname Dawdy, if indeed it is German? JDW ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== Please do NOT post virus warnings, spam, test messages, chain letters or political announcements. Be polite (no flames!) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Is anyone doing research on surname subject - these families settled in Mohawk Valley of NYS. Would like to hear from you. Ruth Jordan Thoden Ruththoden@aol.com

Is anyone researching the Peter/Peters surname? I am interested in those that immigrated from Igglebach, Germany to Philadelphia. Most specifically, I am seeking confirmation of birthdates for Jacob and John Peter, who were born between 1788 and 1793, sons of Jacob and Sarah (Weiss) Peter, who married May 29, 1788. Philadelphia City Archives do not have records < 1860. Jacob Sr was born 1758 in Philadelphia, where he worked as a biscuit baker; he and Sarah both died in October, 1793 in Philadelphia, leaving their two sons in the guardianship of Jacob Sr's sister and brother-in-law, Jacob and Elizabeth (Peter) Lawersweiler. Jacob Sr's father was John Benedict Peter, b. Jan 1 1730 in Igglebach, Palatinate, Germany, m. 1753 to Elizabeth (-?-); he died October 1793 in Philadelphia. They had 10 children, all born and most living their entire lives in Philadelphia: John Benedict Jr (m. Elizabeth Cornman), Jacob, Joseph, Sybilla (m. Wilson), Mary (m. Lewis Matthey), Ann (Hannah), (m. John Maybin, as merchant), Elizabeth (m. Jacob Lawersweiler), George (m. Mary Bartow), John (died < age 2) and Elizabeth (died at 1 year). If anyone has any further information, would love to hear from you. Karen Peters jpeters241@attbi.com

Yes, Anthony was the first son of Johann Philip Sonmner and Elizabeth Wendle Sonner. The site located at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/6230/ has an interesting family history. My ancestor is his son Philip Peter. If you find any information about the family in Germany, I would love to hear from you. "Leslie Hope" <lahope@dslextreme.com> wrote: >I do! I am descended from Anthony Sonner b. September 04, 1760 in Strasberg, >VA m. Elizabeth Geeting. Is he a son of Johan Phillip? This is a line my >sister was working on, so I don't have parents for Anthony. I think my >mother did the original research for her DAR membership and then dropped it >once she joined. >Leslie Hope -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

hello could anyone tell me where this is? my Müller's and Hüther's are from there and possibly my oldest Vollmar born about 1745. thank you kathy Researching; Dougherty, McLaughlin, Gordon, MacDonald, Brennan and Shephard in Ireland and Phila PA Vollmer (Fulmer), Renz (Rentz), Schumacher (Shoemaker), Muller and Huther in Germany, Ohio and Indiana Baer, Paszotta and Shutt in Germany, Delaware, Indiana and Philadelphia ----------------------------------------- list "mom" for; Vollmer-L@rootsweb.com Germans-to-Phila-L@rootsweb.com Paszotta-L@rootsweb.com ----------------------------------------- my home page: http://community.webtv.net/kathy556/DoughertyGordonBaer

Idar-Oberstein is currently in the German state of Rhineland - Palatinate on the west bank of the Rhine river. The city is located on the Nahe river about forty-five to fifty miles upstream from where the Nahe enters the Rhine at Bingen. It's about twenty miles from the border with Saarland. >From the Eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, published in 1911, volume 19-20, page 947 Oberstein, a town of Germany, in the principality of Birkenfeld, belonging to the grand duchy of Oldenburg, on the river Nahe, 33m. S.W. of Kreuznach, by the railway to Muenster-am-Stein. Pop. (1905) 9669. It is famous for the cutting and setting of agates and other precious stones, an industry which has been established here, and in the neighbouring township of Idar, since the 16th century. The Evangelical church, built in the 12th century and restored in 1482, is partly hewn out of the solid rock. On the hills above the town are the ruins of two castles. See Hisserich, "Die Idar-Obersteiner Industrie" (Oberstein, 1894) My Faeg (Feek, Feg) and Becker lines come from there. Roger Smith Researching: Adams, Beck, Becker, Beekman, Bellinger, Borst, Brower, Donsbach, Feg, Fischer, Gessen, Haintz, Haus, Heidley, Hess, Hogeboom, Kniskern, Koch, Kuhn, Lape, Lawyer, Loucks, Mann, Muller, Otto, Richtmyer, Rickard, Schaeffer, Schieffer, Schister, Schmidt, Schurtz, Silvernail, Singer, Staring, Strubrach, Windekker, Zeh, Ziegler, Zoller _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I do! I am descended from Anthony Sonner b. September 04, 1760 in Strasberg, VA m. Elizabeth Geeting. Is he a son of Johan Phillip? This is a line my sister was working on, so I don't have parents for Anthony. I think my mother did the original research for her DAR membership and then dropped it once she joined. Leslie Hope -----Original Message----- From: michaelekehrt@netscape.net [mailto:michaelekehrt@netscape.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:05 AM To: PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Palatines] Sonner 1753 My ancestor Johan Philip Sonner immigrated to Shenandoah Virginia in 1753. I believe he was born near Augsburg about 1736. Does anyone have any connection to this family? Thank you. Michaele -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== Please do NOT post virus warnings, spam, test messages, chain letters or political announcements. Be polite (no flames!) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

kathy hamby wrote: > > hello could anyone tell me where this is? my Müller's and Hüther's > are from there and possibly my oldest Vollmar born about 1745. > thank you > kathy Schmitshausen has the postal code of 66484. So you work from there. But, this may not be the same one you are looking for. John

Thanks, Jim Groat, for the book info "Palatine Families of New York". In the category of "my two cents too", I'll offer the following: Nassau-Siegen was a principality near the town of Siegen, in present-day Nordrhein-Westfalen. In truth, it was never part of Palatinate. However, most if not all of the original settlers of the Germanna Colony in Virginia came from this district, and since that happened contemporaneously with the Palatinate immigrations to Pennsylvania and New York, it often comes up in the discussion. A nice book of genealogy that covers many of the Germanna Colony immigrants, inlcuding my Brombach, Fischbach, and Wendel ancestors, is "Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau-Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714 - 1750" by B.C. Holzclaw. The web site for the Germanna Colonies, which is most informative, is <A HREF="http://www.germanna.org/">http://www.germanna.org/</A> Best Wishes, Don Boyd Fairborn, Ohio U.S.A.

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I went to a map store and got a German map that is 1:250,00 It has even really tiny towns. It can take a while to find someplace because spellings have changed or there are about 100 towns per square inch. But in terms of finding my families, it's the best 15 dollars I've spent. Most Palatines were within 50 miles of the Rhine river, so that at least narrows the search. Good luck. Marlena Marlena Amalfitano mfamalfitano@msn.com fax 775-239-6394

My ancestor Johan Philip Sonner immigrated to Shenandoah Virginia in 1753. I believe he was born near Augsburg about 1736. Does anyone have any connection to this family? Thank you. Michaele -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

I am new to this list. My Palatine surname is GUTMAN/GUTHMANN Michael GUTMAN b abt 1710 Palatine Germany probably Pfaltz area came to US Sept 15 1749 thru Philadelphia I have that he came with three sons Jacob b abt 1744 Palatine Germany Phillip Samuel The rest of this information is still questionable. I am wondering if anyone can help me verify. Michael GUTMAN married Elizabeth Semens these could possibly be children too Christopher John C Michael Jr Molly George I have Michaels parents as Johann Michael GUTHMANN b abt 1699 (obviously can't be right date or person) Palantine Germany and Maria Catherine REIGNER and her father is Christian RUGNER/REIGNER For Johann and Maria I have these other children also Christopher Andreas b 5 apr 1719 Alsace? Palantine Germany Catherine Barbara Hans Michael and then my Michael Just wondering if anyone else is related to this family or how I can go about verifying if these are all the same family. Thanks Beth

Everyone interested in the Palatine immigrations needs to take a look at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/history/pala.html Jim Groat jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com

If you want a good in depth look at the Palatine immigrants in general and how they wound up here try Jennifer Nordyke's extremely well researched and documented Spickerman family website at: http://home.kscable.com/jensfamilytree/project/bibliography.html I have a fairly well documented overview (though not nearly as scholarly nor thorough as Ms. Nordyke's) of the Palatine immigration on my Groat Family page at: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/groatline/Immigraton.htm Also check out Palatines to America Web Site at: http://www.genealogy.org/~palam/ and most important the home page of noted Palatine scholar Hank Jones' at: http://www.genealogy.org/~palam/ Hope this helps. Jim Groat jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com ------------------ MScheffler wrote: > > Good communication skills are important in this and many other > fields of endeavor. An ability to write in a clear, concise manner is > clearly an asset in genealogical research. > > People from various localities, countries, etc. may not > understand certain phrases -- and may even speak a variety of > languages. "Cute" abbreviations do nothing to aid the communication > process, and we would collectively do ourselves a favor by avoiding > their use. > > Now for someone who is new to Palatine research -- can someone > give a good working definition as to the countries of origin which I > assume include the general areas of Bavaria and Germany. > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Gabgolly@aol.com> > To: <PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > I don't know the answer to your question but that gave me a huge > belly laugh and made me not feel so stupid. For years, I thought that > I had a bunch of relatives named Unk and then Finally figured out it > mean unknown. Duh! I never saw the LNU before now I'll know to look > for it. Thanks Paulette > > ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== > When writing a query to the list please include dates and locations. Your best guess is better than no dates. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Good communication skills are important in this and many other fields of endeavor. An ability to write in a clear, concise manner is clearly an asset in genealogical research. People from various localities, countries, etc. may not understand certain phrases -- and may even speak a variety of languages. "Cute" abbreviations do nothing to aid the communication process, and we would collectively do ourselves a favor by avoiding their use. Now for someone who is new to Palatine research -- can someone give a good working definition as to the countries of origin which I assume include the general areas of Bavaria and Germany. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gabgolly@aol.com> To: <PALATINES-L@rootsweb.com> > I don't know the answer to your question but that gave me a huge belly laugh and made me not feel so stupid. For years, I thought that I had a bunch of relatives named Unk and then Finally figured out it mean unknown. Duh! I never saw the LNU before now I'll know to look for it. Thanks Paulette

I don't know the answer to your question but that gave me a huge belly laugh and made me not feel so stupid. For years, I thought that I had a bunch of relatives named Unk and then Finally figured out it mean unknown. Duh! I never saw the LNU before now I'll know to look for it. Thanks Paulette

Correction, Jones best describes Mosbach-Brebrich/Wiesbaden in association with Wiesbaden on pages 1051/2. I hope this clarifies things. Jim Groat jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com Bill Hughes wrote: > > I now know that there is no surname of LNU, that it is an abbreviation for > Last Name Unknown. Sheeeeeesh, do I feel dumb! > However, I'm still faced with the mystery of those places I mentioned. > Vollmersbach Idar-Oberstein > Mosbach-Biebrick > Can anybody help me with locating these places? > Thanks, > Bill > > ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== > Search Palatine Ships' Passenger Lists at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/palship_list.shtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hank Jones, on p.222 of "The Palitine Families of New York" refers to Oberstein in the duchy of Nastau-Sig. In the same paragraph he refers to Idar-Oberstein (14 km. s.w. of Kirn). He refers also throughout the book to Mossbach, Mosbach, Mussbach and taken in the context I assume it is in the vicinity of Neuwied - Westerwald area. Anyone interested in the Palatines should get access to Jones' books either at a local library or through purchase. They are a treasure chest of information on the Palatines and their origins. I hope this helps. Jim Groat jgroat1@midsouth.rr.com ------- Bill Hughes wrote: > > I now know that there is no surname of LNU, that it is an abbreviation for > Last Name Unknown. Sheeeeeesh, do I feel dumb! > However, I'm still faced with the mystery of those places I mentioned. > Vollmersbach Idar-Oberstein > Mosbach-Biebrick > Can anybody help me with locating these places? > Thanks, > Bill > > ==== PALATINES Mailing List ==== > Search Palatine Ships' Passenger Lists at > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/palship_list.shtml > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would like to thank all of you who took the time and effort to answer my questions about various locations in Germany. I've had quite a learning experience today....... including one that we won't discuss. ©¿©¬ Bill