Hi Anne,      You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address.  You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information.  The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp.  Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church.      The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County.      If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy.  Do you know when he died ?  To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died.                                                                                                                 Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions.  You are right about spelling.  I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell.  Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings.  His father died the year before.  I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records.  I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw.  Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne & Jim Don't forget to look for a land grant. There was an act in the 1850 if I remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had not received land. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address. You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information. The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp. Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church. The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County. If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy. Do you know when he died ? To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions. You are right about spelling. I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell. Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings. His father died the year before. I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records. I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw. Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message