Hi Janell,       You seem to have your data undercontrol but maybe you don't feel completely comfortable with it.  What you might do is check the census indexes from 1790 to 1870 and track your Jacob and Henry from Rapho to Dauphin County.  You might also check to see home many Jacob Schreids show up in the census index in the same townships, there is probably only one.  If you find Jacob disappearing from the census that will give you a rough idea of when he died.        Sometimes in German sources they add an "en" or "in" at the end of a name to designate the feminine.  So the question mark might be raising that point, Guttululin (?)   There still seem to be differences between Barbara's last name and her sisters name (Gutterer and Guttulin), maybe that is just a transcription error.  You might look in the records to see if in other baptisms a relationship is revealed, like Aunt or Sister.        Since names were often spelled phoenetically during this period, not everyone could read and write, it sometimes helps to pronounce the name and the variant spellings to make sure they are in the ball park.        If you track these people in the census, to see when Jacob disappears, does his wife ever appear in the census as a widow ?  Are they buried at Zion Church in Manheim ?      Good luck.                                                                                                                     Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Janell Amos <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:29:24 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] Shride/Schriet/Etc. I have been on this mailing list for some time but not posted before.  I have benefitted from a number of your research suggestions and leads to others. The following information is about the ancestors I am researching; I am searching for Jacob's parents and any other information on the family.  I am buried in information and multiple spellings and first names of possible relatives. Any information or advice you have will be sincerely appreciated. I definitely need a source that would help me understand how the township names and lines have changed at various times between the Rev. War and about 1830 between Lancaster, Dauphin, and Lebanon.. I have a few maps and some lists that make it clear I need more information. >From the book PENNSLYVANIA GERMAN MARRIAGES, First Reformed Church 1736-1806: Schreid, Jacob of Rapho, Catharine Gutterer, Warrick 6 May 1783. In Lancaster County, PA, Church Records of the 18th Century, Vol. 1 - Manheim Reformed Church page 63: Birth Record - Elisabeth of Jacob Schreit and wife, b. August 8, 17??, Bapt. April 8, 1791.  Sponsor Barbara Guttulin (another source of this had Barbara's last name Guttululin (?) with a note that the question mark is from compiler). I believe Barbara is Catharine's sister. In Vol. II of Abstracts of Lancaster Co. PA Wills 1786-1820 page 78: Will dated 16 Oct. 1794, proved 23 Jan. 1801, Goddettle, Michael; wife Margaret Goddettle; Ex:  Henryt Rassman and Jacob Schrit. . . Rapho Twp. Henrich Schriet's birth record is in the book ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH 1798-1837; Henrich, son of Jacob and Catharina Schriet b. 13 Feb 1800/baptized 6 April 1801. The 1860 census of Lancaster County (page 746) Mount Joy Twp. shows Henry Shride 59 laborer born Penn./wife Polly Shride/58 years old.  They have a Henry Musselman aged 10 living with them.  These two entries tie the Shride name to the Schriet spelling. There is a George Shride in the 1870 Dauphin Co. PA census, page 551, Middle Paxton Township, who was a 68 year old farm laborer born in PA who was living at the farm of Henry Howard age 33.  This makes George born about 1802. The 1810 Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA Census has  Shride, Jacob with 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-15; 1 male over 45; and 1 female over 45.  There is a marriage record of a Barbara Schride married 1808 to Richard Waeth.  Another researcher has a Barbara Schride married to Richard Wage Jr. who was born and died in Dauphin Co. PA with wife Barbara born in PA of German parentage.  Richard Wade lives by Jacob Shride (only one name between them) in the 1810 census of Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA.  Jacob is identified as being from Rapho in his 1783 marriage record and as one of the Ex. of his father-in-law Michael's will in 1794.  The tax list for Rapho 1790 seems to present one possible listing for Jacob.  Jacob Strite:  1 male over 16  (Jacob), 2 males under 16 (2 unknown sons), 3 females. In 1790 Jacob Strite is living next door to Henry Strite. Janell Janell Amos <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message