What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes [mailto:james_l_stokes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 04:57 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... Hi Pam, This is a tricky period in historical and genealogical research because the change over from the Old to the New Calendar was in 1752. People went to bed on the evening of Oct 3, 1752 and woke up the next morning, on Oct. 14, 1752. The British parliment had changed from the Old to the New Calendar and had chosen Oct. 3 as the date of the transformaton. They had decided to change because the old calendar was off by 11 days and this may have impacted farmers and when they planted their crops. (I suspect that most farmers were already aware the calendar was off and were just planting earlier). In addition, the beginning of the year was changed from March to January. People should be careful when copying records and resist the temptation to modernize them. If you find a date of November 2, 1752 you should copy it as such, if you find it 11/2/1752 then copy it that way. Its an interesting question whether the minister at Trinity Lutheran Church was aware of the Act ! of Parliment or if he was already using the New Calendar because it had been adopted in Germany earlier. An example, we celebrate George Washington's birthday on Feb. 22, (or we used to), in fact he was born Feb. 11th, the difference is the calendar change. His church record, if there is one, should read Feb. 11, 1731/32 or 12/11/1731/32 because February was the last month of the year before 1752. The double dating of the year was given for months between January and March. Who knows if people who reprinted or transcribed these records were aware of the calendar change or if they tried to convert these dates. We should copy these dates as we find them and not convert 11 to November since it could also have been February. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Pam Pearson <pampearson@patmedia.net> wrote: A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject.

Judy, Chart showing calendar changes by country is found at: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jk.calisto/calisto/calendars/change_dates_jg.htm After reviewing the chart you will probably ask yourself, "Why did I ever ask?!!!(¦D) Nelson R. Sulouff ////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy

Yeah, I see what you mean. Sorry for the dumb question. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Nelson R. Sulouff [mailto:zuli@sprintmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 09:45 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... Judy, Chart showing calendar changes by country is found at: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jk.calisto/calisto/calendars/change_dates_jg .htm After reviewing the chart you will probably ask yourself, "Why did I ever ask?!!!(|D) Nelson R. Sulouff ////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy

Different countries adopted the calendar change at different times. Generally anti-Catholic countries were slow to adopt the change because the changes were initiated by the Pope. About 1814, the Russians were suppose to meet the English to battle Napolean but since the Russians had not adopted the calender change, they were 11 days late. Jim Judy <llamabase@dejazzd.com> wrote: What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes [mailto:james_l_stokes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 04:57 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... Hi Pam, This is a tricky period in historical and genealogical research because the change over from the Old to the New Calendar was in 1752. People went to bed on the evening of Oct 3, 1752 and woke up the next morning, on Oct. 14, 1752. The British parliment had changed from the Old to the New Calendar and had chosen Oct. 3 as the date of the transformaton. They had decided to change because the old calendar was off by 11 days and this may have impacted farmers and when they planted their crops. (I suspect that most farmers were already aware the calendar was off and were just planting earlier). In addition, the beginning of the year was changed from March to January. People should be careful when copying records and resist the temptation to modernize them. If you find a date of November 2, 1752 you should copy it as such, if you find it 11/2/1752 then copy it that way. Its an interesting question whether the minister at Trinity Lutheran Church was aware of the Act ! of Parliment or if he was already using the New Calendar because it had been adopted in Germany earlier. An example, we celebrate George Washington's birthday on Feb. 22, (or we used to), in fact he was born Feb. 11th, the difference is the calendar change. His church record, if there is one, should read Feb. 11, 1731/32 or 12/11/1731/32 because February was the last month of the year before 1752. The double dating of the year was given for months between January and March. Who knows if people who reprinted or transcribed these records were aware of the calendar change or if they tried to convert these dates. We should copy these dates as we find them and not convert 11 to November since it could also have been February. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Pam Pearson wrote: A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.