The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's own hand writing. Fred Hagan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > > The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 > in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 > and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were > living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > >

Thank you so much for the quick response. I really appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen > and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The > father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of > Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I > came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in > order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his > allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's > own hand writing. > Fred Hagan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM > Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > > > >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them > >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to > >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > > > > The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 > > in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 > > and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were > > living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

There were two kinds of oaths of allegiance in early Pennsylvania history. One was for immigrants and it was generally administered when they got off the boat in Philadelphia. However, it seems likely that this was the oath of allegiance administered by the revolutionary government of Pennsylvania. The date and the fact that it was administered in Lancaster County is the key here. Each man older than 18 was supposed to take the oath - or pay a fine. I seem to recall that there was an upper age limit but don't remember what it was. Even if there wasn't an upper limit, I know that many older men were allowed to pass on taking the oath in practice. In Lancaster County, most of these oaths ares buried inside the deed books. Concerning the question of who took the oath: I would lean toward the younger man in this case - primarily because of the age. However, I doubt you can ever be absolutely certain. Brian From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:14 -0400 The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's own hand writing. Fred Hagan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > >The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 >in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 and >unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were >living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements.

some one sent in a tax list and one of those were fines for the war, as of moment lost my bkmarks so cannot bring up, but if remember right seems all did not pay the same, hope I am right on this. Stephennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Bowers" <bebowers@hotmail.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > There were two kinds of oaths of allegiance in early Pennsylvania > history. One was for immigrants and it was generally administered when > they got off the boat in Philadelphia. > However, it seems likely that this was the oath of allegiance > administered by the revolutionary government of Pennsylvania. The date > and the fact that it was administered in Lancaster County is the key here. > Each man older than 18 was supposed to take the oath - or pay a fine. I > seem to recall that there was an upper age limit but don't remember what > it was. Even if there wasn't an upper limit, I know that many older men > were allowed to pass on taking the oath in practice. > In Lancaster County, most of these oaths ares buried inside the deed > books. > Concerning the question of who took the oath: I would lean toward the > younger man in this case - primarily because of the age. However, I doubt > you can ever be absolutely certain. > Brian > > > From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> > Reply-To: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> > To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:14 -0400 > > The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen > and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The > father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of > Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). > I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, > in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing > his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the > emigrant's own hand writing. > Fred Hagan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM > Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > > >>I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of >>them signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would >>like to be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. >> >>The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 >>in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 >>and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were >>living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? >> >> >>==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >>This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. >> >> > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode > then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or > PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message.