I think Lancaster pre-dates Butler by quite a bit. Karen

I went on Ancestry and could not obtain this information unless I paid a fee to view the WWI draft registration card. What am I doing wrong? -----Original Message----- From: Connie <R.leaman@comcast.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:17:32 -0800 Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I Ancestry now has free-to-everybody WWI draft registration cards on line. People living in Lancaster, PA were part of Butler County then? That's what's showing on line. I was surprised! Connie ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

This should work (passed on to you from another list): Hello All, Ancestry has completed indexing and digitizing nearly 24 million World War One Draft Registration Cards (1917-1918). To celebrate they are offering free access to this database with registration (your name and email address) from November 12-25, 2005. To take advantage of this offer you must go to the webpage below and click on the WWI Draft Cards link near the top... Online World War One Indexes & Records http://www.militaryindexes.com/worldwarone/ Feel free to share this post with other genealogy mailing lists you are subscribed to. Good luck with your searches. Regards, Joe Connie >I went on Ancestry and could not obtain this information unless I paid a >fee to view the WWI draft registration card. What am I doing wrong? > > > > Ancestry now has free-to-everybody WWI draft registration cards on line. > People living in Lancaster, PA were part of Butler County then? That's > what's showing on line. I was surprised! > > Connie

Ancestry now has free-to-everybody WWI draft registration cards on line. People living in Lancaster, PA were part of Butler County then? That's what's showing on line. I was surprised! Connie

Jim: Thank you again. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes <james_l_stokes@yahoo.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] re: Lancaster County, PA -Minor status Hi Dianna, If you can you should check it, there could be additional material in the Orphan's Court records, you just never know. You might find wife has remarried, one the children intentds to get married, perhaps the wife's brother will be named giving you her maiden name, you can't be sure what is going to turn up in an Orphan's Court document. At least you should find out who his brothers and sisters were. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: JIm: Thank you so much for your reply. I was not sure if I would find any information for my great grandfather in Orphans court since he was 18 when his father died. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:42:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] re: Lancaster County, PA -Minor status A male couldn't vote until he was 21, he was considered old enough to handle his own finances at 18, if he was between 16 and 18 he could choose his own guardian if his father died, if he was under 16 than a guardian would be appointed for him. A female wasn't considered financially competent until 21 but could choose her own guardian at age 18, if under 18 a guardian would be appointed for her. Unfortunately, a woman couldn't vote regardless of age. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: In the 1840's up to what age would a child still be considered a minor? THank you. Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject.

Does anyone out there have access to the will abstracts or the will itself. I'm looking to see if there is anymore detail about the relationship of Margareta "Aggy" Ober and spouse, John Rohrer. Does the abstract tell us where this couple lived or is there any other piece of valuable information. Below is a cut and paste from a source on the Internet. Just looking for more if the information is available. Many thanks, John The will of Michael Over, Sr. of West Donegal Township, Lancaster County was probated May 31, 1850. He mentioned his children: Michael Over, Jr.; Henry C. Over; and Aggy Over married John Rohrer; his partner, Christian Dellebaugh. Executor: Michael Over. Witnesses: Jacob Redsecker; Philip Fisher. Will Book U, Volume 1, p. 934. Lancaster Co., Pa.

I am looking for information on the parents of RICHARD POPE of this record and any of his children. It is believed that JOHN POPE was a brother as well as SAMUEL and his sisters were SARAH, ELIZABETH, and probably PRISCILLA. Samuel and John were members of the Warrington Monthly Meeting of Friends (Quakers). "Letters of administration on the estate of Richard Pope, deceased, Huntington township, Lancaster (now Adams) county, were granted to John Pope in 1746. From records of an Orphans' Court of York county, July 26, 1762, it appears that Richard Pope left a widow, Mary (since married to WILLIAM YOUNG) and three children, for whom ARCHIBALD MCGREW and JOHN WILSON were appointed guardians. The children were: 1. William, b. Sept. 16, 1743; apprenticed Sept. 2, 1762, to HENRY WIERMAN, tanner and currier, of Huntington until he came of age. 2. John, b. Oct. 13, 1744. 3. Sarah, b. June 1, 1746; apprenticed Sept. 1, 1762, to ROBERT SCOTT, yeoman, of Strabane township, until she is 18 years of age. There is reason to believe that PRISCILLA POPE, wife of HENRY WIERMAN, was closely related to these Popes. It is believed that the WILLIAM POPE of following record is the son of the above mentioned RICHARD POPE in the administration of his estate. WILLIAM POPE of Frederick Co. (MD). Will dated 23 May 1793, weak. All household furniture, except my clothes and 1 feather bed, with all my property in Montgomery Co., to be sold. To son SAMUEL all clothes except the fustian colored cotton coat and a srtiped fustian jacket, which I give my nephew THOMAS KING CLARKE. To dau. MARGARET feather bed & bedding. Residue to children SAMUEL, MARGARET, MARY, SARAH, and REBECCA equally. Whereas the 176 acre tract [being and lying on Mountain Creek near Pine Grove Furnace] in Cumberland Co., PA, which belonged to the estate of my uncle John Pope, late of York Co., is my legal property, it is to be sold when son Samuel is age 21 and half to him and half to daughters. My cousin ANTHONY SWISHER to take my dau. Sarah and LEONARD HUTTON to take daut. Rebecca, to bring up; both men of York Co., PA. John Clarke of Frederick Town and Samuel executors, but cousin Anthony Swisher and son Samuel to execute the land in Cumberland Co. /s/ Wm. Pope. Wit: John Wayne, Michael Markwood, James Clarke. Proved 13 Sept. 1793 by wit. (487-489).

I'm looking for anybody who can shed some light on the marriage of Margaret Ober (Obar, Over) to a John Rohrer or Raber. Margaret Ober was born 22 Feb 1822 in Lancaster Co., PA. She was baptized in Elizabethtown, Lancaster Co., PA. According to information on the Internet she married a John Rohrer but census records indicate that she married a John Raber from Berks Co., PA. So the question is: was John as Rohrer or a Raber? It is easy to see how the surname can be misread. So any Ober or Rohrer researcher out there that can shed some light on this marriage would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking for any scrap of information. Below is what I know of this family so far. Descendants of John Raber 1 John Raber b: 04 January 1822 d: 01 May 1907 .. +Margaret (Obar) Ober b: 22 February 1822 m: Abt. 1848 d: 17 May 1905 Father: Michael Over Mother: Mary Cremer ...... 2 __________ Raber ...... 2 Mary Jane "Jennie" Raber b: 11 December 1852 d: Abt. 17 May 1942 .......... +Samuel Reinoehl b: 23 September 1848 m: 14 January 1875 d: 05 September 1890 Father: John George Henry Reinoehl Mother: Susannah Baer .............. 3 Della May (Clara) Reinoehl b: March 1876 d: 10 August 1956 .................. +William H. Schrader b: 04 February 1869 m: 15 November 1896 d: 09 February 1953 Father: John Schrader Mother: Kathryn Stahl ...................... 4 __________ Schrader b: Bef. 1900 ...................... 4 Pearl Schrader b: 1901 d: 1959 ...................... 4 Wilbur D. Schrader b: 10 July 1913 d: 18 May 1989 .......................... +Harriet J. __________ b: 1920 .............. 3 Vinnie "Emme" Irene Reinoehl b: 15 March 1883 d: 27 December 1955 .............. 3 Samuel Raber Reinoehl b: 13 February 1890 d: Abt. 02 March 1952 .................. +Tressie M. Genet b: 09 September 1893 m: 09 September 1917 d: Abt. 19 April 1984 Father: Edward Genet Mother: Addie __________ ...... 2 John W. Raber b: Abt. 1856 d: Bef. 1870 ...... 2 Ada M. Raber b: 19 November 1865 d: 05 June 1956 .......... +Patrick Harney b: Abt. 1864 m: 14 April 1910 Father: John T. Harney Mother: Anna Conland ...... *2nd Husband of Ada M. Raber: .......... +__________ Derr m: Aft. 1920

JIm: Thank you so much for your reply. I was not sure if I would find any information for my great grandfather in Orphans court since he was 18 when his father died. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes <james_l_stokes@yahoo.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:42:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] re: Lancaster County, PA -Minor status A male couldn't vote until he was 21, he was considered old enough to handle his own finances at 18, if he was between 16 and 18 he could choose his own guardian if his father died, if he was under 16 than a guardian would be appointed for him. A female wasn't considered financially competent until 21 but could choose her own guardian at age 18, if under 18 a guardian would be appointed for her. Unfortunately, a woman couldn't vote regardless of age. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: In the 1840's up to what age would a child still be considered a minor? THank you. Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy

Hi Dianna, If you can you should check it, there could be additional material in the Orphan's Court records, you just never know. You might find wife has remarried, one the children intentds to get married, perhaps the wife's brother will be named giving you her maiden name, you can't be sure what is going to turn up in an Orphan's Court document. At least you should find out who his brothers and sisters were. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: JIm: Thank you so much for your reply. I was not sure if I would find any information for my great grandfather in Orphans court since he was 18 when his father died. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:42:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] re: Lancaster County, PA -Minor status A male couldn't vote until he was 21, he was considered old enough to handle his own finances at 18, if he was between 16 and 18 he could choose his own guardian if his father died, if he was under 16 than a guardian would be appointed for him. A female wasn't considered financially competent until 21 but could choose her own guardian at age 18, if under 18 a guardian would be appointed for her. Unfortunately, a woman couldn't vote regardless of age. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: In the 1840's up to what age would a child still be considered a minor? THank you. Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

I am searching for the parents of the POPE siblings of York/Adams County Pennsylvania. Any help would be most appreciated. I descend from Quaker couple SAMUEL POPE AND ELIZABETH STEVENSON with the following records: "SAMUEL POPE, brother of JOHN, was received a member of the Warrington Mo., Mtg., 3 mo., 18, 1751, and on 7 mo. 4 of the same year, SAMUEL POPE, of Tyrone township, York County (now Adams), and Elizabeth Stevenson, of Menallen township, same county, were married at Menallen Friends' meeting house (Warrington Mo. Mtg. Records). At Warrington Mo. Mtg., 10 mo. 8, 1763, a certificate of removal was signed for Samuel Pope, wife Elizabeth and child to New Garden Mo. Mtg., Guilford County, North Carolina. ........... JOHN POPE made his will Sept. 25, 1782, and probated Aug. 25, 1784 (A. p. 281), JOHN POPE leaves his plantation in Tyrone township, where he now lives, under certain conditions to his brother Samuel. JOHN POPE gave a silver watch to NATHANIEL POPE ("my brother Samuel Pope's son"), his sister, SARAH MCCELREVEY" [Mcelravey] (wife of HUGH, who is in the war); her children (JOHN, RICHARD, MARY, HUGH, and WILLIAM MCCELREVEY ") and "JAMES HAMMOND, son of DANIEL HAMMOND, who is married to my sister, Elizabeth." He appoints Archibald McGrew and William Delap, executors. From the will of JOHN POPE, we know that he had a brother SAMUEL with a son named NATHANIEL, a sister SARAH McCelrevey with children, and a sister ELIZABETH, wife of Daniel Hammond with a son named JAMES HAMMOND. He had a cousin named JOHN POPE, and mentions a WILLIAM POPE but doesn't know state the relationship. It is believed that PRISCILLA POPE was also a sister of the above siblings. She was married to HENRY WIERMAN. She attended the wedding of Samuel and Elizabeth Pope. RICHARD POPE was one of a list of persons from Chester county, (PA) who were to have had surveyed to them in 1736, land on the west side of Susquehanna, by leave of the Maryland authorities (Col. Rec., Vol. iv, p. 101-2). Letters of administration on the estate of RICHARD POPE, deceased, Huntington township, Lancaster (now Adams) county, were granted to JOHN POPE in 1746. From records of an Orphans' Court of York county, July 26, 1762, it appears that Richard Pope left a widow, Mary (since married to WILLIAM YOUNG) and three children, for whom Archibald McGrew and John Wilson were appointed guardians. The children were: 1. WILLIAM, b. Sept. 16, 1743; apprenticed Sept. 2, 1762, to HENRY WIERMAN, tanner and currier, of Huntington until he came of age. 2. JOHN, b. Oct. 13, 1744. 3. SARAH, b. June 1, 1746; apprenticed Sept. 1, 1762, to Robert Scott, yeoman, of Strabane township, until she is 18 years of age. SOURCE: From a portion of an article by Albert Cook Myers, Swarthmore College, PA., "Notes and Queries" 1970. SAUMEL POPE held the original deed for a tract of land in Cumberland Co., PA which is now part of "Pine Grove State Park" formerly PINE GROVE FURNACE. JOHN POPE also owned land adjoining "Pine Grove Furnace." SAMUEL and ELIZABETH POPE had four children named, Mary, Nathaniel, Priscilla and Dinah. 1809, 4, 29 Samuel Pope rocf Mt. Pleasant MM, dated 1808, 8, 27 [Mt. Pleasant MM located in Grayson Co., VA] [It is thought that Elizabeth was deceased by this time] 1812, 9, 26 Samuel Pope gct Fairfield MM, Ohio [located near Leesburg, Highland Co., OH]. Samuel Pope died Feb. 10, 1818 in Highland County, Ohio and is buried in Hill Top Cemetery. Penn Twp., Highland Co., OH. Christie A. Russell

LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, http://www.lib.byu.edu/ From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: "Find Other Materials" "Electronic" "On Line Collections at BYU" Choose the TAB "Text Collections" And, finally, "Family History Archive" Nancy, visit the family, My G-Grandfather's Attic www.geocities.com/twincousin2334

Replies appreciated with information on the THOMAS GROOM, born 22 June 1820, his wife ANN E, born 1830, farmer. miller & blacksmith in Columbia during the 1850-60-70 era. 1880 family was in Lewes, Sussex county, area of Delaware. Special interest in 1920 where-a-bouts of a daughter, Elizabeth, aka Lillie, born 1851 or 1852, who never married, and is buried in Mt Bethel at Columbia. Information is sought for the writing of history of GROOM METHODIST CHURCH, corner of Dewey Ave and Kings Hwy., Lewes, DE, which is on land given by this family. Thank you. HARRISON HOWETH LEWES DELAWARE

This is unfortunate. I personally have not gotten any pictures through this avenue. But it strikes me that you ought to include some identification so that someone who has gotten pictures through that source may tell if they are your family. What was your aunt's name? Any where when or who on the pictures?

Within the past 2 - 3 years, my Great Aunt had to downsize and left household items at a goodwill shop in the Lancaster area. By mistake, a box of family pictures was with those items. Included in them were pictures of my mother as a child and young girl living in Virginia. I do not have any pictures of my parents when they were young and would greatly appreciate getting these back. If anyone has this box of treasures hopeing to find the owner, please reply. Your help locating these would be most appreciated.

Regarding the comment: "Usualy as with the Who's Who they paid to have them put into the publications by agreeing to buy a copy of a book or something like that..." A clarification: There are some "network" books that are published that cost the individual money for entry. However, there is no fee, nor is there a requirement to buy any books for entries in any of the "Who's Who" books. Dot Michael Dresher, PA

A Freeman is identified as someone who has the right to vote. By the 19th centurty the right to vote had expanded to include allmost all males as the country became more democratic. Jim Skatercat399@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/31/2005 10:17:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, james_l_stokes@yahoo.com writes: An unmarried man might live with the family he worked for (not have his own household) but as long as he had something that might be taxed, a horse, a cow, a dog, he would show up on the tax list as an inmate. I have found 19th century Lancaster County men in this situation to be taxed as freemen regardless of where they were living or who they worked for. Cathi ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

In a message dated 10/31/2005 10:17:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, james_l_stokes@yahoo.com writes: An unmarried man might live with the family he worked for (not have his own household) but as long as he had something that might be taxed, a horse, a cow, a dog, he would show up on the tax list as an inmate. I have found 19th century Lancaster County men in this situation to be taxed as freemen regardless of where they were living or who they worked for. Cathi

A male couldn't vote until he was 21, he was considered old enough to handle his own finances at 18, if he was between 16 and 18 he could choose his own guardian if his father died, if he was under 16 than a guardian would be appointed for him. A female wasn't considered financially competent until 21 but could choose her own guardian at age 18, if under 18 a guardian would be appointed for her. Unfortunately, a woman couldn't vote regardless of age. Jim mtmodie@aol.com wrote: In the 1840's up to what age would a child still be considered a minor? THank you. Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Thank you Nelson. I had no idea. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Nelson R. Sulouff <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:20:43 -0700 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: Lancaster PA Biographical Portraits They wrote their own bios and paid the publisher to have their write-ups included in those ubiquitous 19th Century biographical histories! Don't feel bad! Your Brenner is simply among a large percentage of the residents who didn't get mentioned in the biographical histories. Besides that, you're not really missing very much. The bios that got published are only as reliable as the memories and the consciences of the people who wrote about themselves and their ancestors. Nelson /////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: mtmodie@aol.com To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] RE: Lancaster PA Biographical Portraits To the List: I am trying to find biographical portraits of my Michael Brenner from Lancaster County, PA, Mount Joy Township, and cannot seem to find him in any of the publications. How did people get their names put into the biographical histories. Thank you. Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.