Hi Kathleen, People who lived on the eastern side of Berks County were in Philadelphia County in 1752, people who lived on the western side were in Lancaster. I don't have my map of Berks County so I haven't checked exactly where Amity Twp. sits. If you have a good source that says it was in Philadelphia County, I'd go with that. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Kathleen Gregory <gregory@giantcomm.net> wrote: I did a search in the FHL Catalog at www.familysearch.org for Amity in Pennsylvania. Here is what I found: "Pennsylvania, Berks, Amity Township; Settled about 1693; incorporated while part of Philadelphia County about 1719, but no record of court proceedings. Petition was renewed 3 March 1744. Became part of Berks County in 1752." Here is my question: James Mitchell was born in Amity in 1738. Does this indicate that he was actually born in Philadelphia County and not Lancaster County? Kathy ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Hi. Ancestery has listed that there is info on the KNOELLE family. I would very much like to have what is on the CD. I have been trying to locate them coming to America. They were here by 1840, as they are in the census in Luzerne county. I have the info on them applying to leave Germany in 1832. Thanks for any help. Bill , lookn4@schat.com >

I did a search in the FHL Catalog at www.familysearch.org for Amity in Pennsylvania. Here is what I found: "Pennsylvania, Berks, Amity Township; Settled about 1693; incorporated while part of Philadelphia County about 1719, but no record of court proceedings. Petition was renewed 3 March 1744. Became part of Berks County in 1752." Here is my question: James Mitchell was born in Amity in 1738. Does this indicate that he was actually born in Philadelphia County and not Lancaster County? Kathy

The copy (3rd ed. 1983) has no author listed. The first 78 pages lists the products available but pp. 79-216 is primarily information on the history and geography of Pennsylvania including the maps I mentioned before and a genealogical quarterly for Lancaster co. Yahoo search engine finds these Library of Congress and Dewey Decimal numbers. Perhaps that will help. Pennsylvania line : a research guide to Pennsylvania genealogy and local history 1983 [compiled by] Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services. Laughlintown, Pa. : The Services, c1983. LC: F148 .P442 1983 Dewey: 974.8 Pennsylvania line : a research guide to Pennsylvania genealogy and local history 1990 compiled by William L. Iscrupe, Shirley G.M. Iscrupe. Laughlintown, Pa. : Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Services, c1990. LC: F148 .I83 1990 Dewey: 929/.1/0720748 -----Original Message----- From: HMToothman@wmconnect.com [mailto:HMToothman@wmconnect.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:48 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] The Pennsylvania Line In a message dated 11/13/2005 11:42:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, redwagon2@frontiernet.net writes: > Southwest Genealogical Services of Laughlintown, Pennsylvania Will you give us the authors name of the above book. When we start looking for it having the author's name would help. Thanks Harriet ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy

PENNSYLVANIA LINE 4th Ed. (1990) was compiled by William L. Iscrupe and Shirley G.M. Iscrupe. Nelson R. Sulouff /////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: HMToothman@wmconnect.com To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] The Pennsylvania Line In a message dated 11/13/2005 11:42:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, redwagon2@frontiernet.net writes: > Southwest Genealogical Services of Laughlintown, Pennsylvania Will you give us the authors name of the above book. When we start looking for it having the author's name would help. Thanks Harriet

In a message dated 11/13/2005 11:42:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, redwagon2@frontiernet.net writes: > Southwest Genealogical Services of Laughlintown, Pennsylvania Will you give us the authors name of the above book. When we start looking for it having the author's name would help. Thanks Harriet

Excellent. Thanks very much. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I > The PENNSYLVANIA LINE makes it clear that the western boundary of Lancaster Co. in 1729 was firmly delineated by the Tuscarora Mt. range. > > Nelson R. Sulouff > //////////////////////////////// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: schwartz@rochelle.net > To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I > > > Nelson, > Thanks for the insight on Lancaster County. Does that source say who established or what > constituted the western boundary? Early maps I have seen did not show a western boundary. > Thanks again, > Ray > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > >

The Southwest Genealogical Services of Laughlintown, Pennsylvania published four editions of this great little handbook in pre-Internet genealogy days. It was meant to be a catalog of the books and maps etc. they sold; but in addition they added maps of all the counties showing outlines of townships. In my 1983 copy there is sixteen maps of Pennsylvania from early colonial days to 1878 showing the addition of counties and growth of the state. They also included charts showing names and locations of towns and years of fromation of the counties and townships. Mine is tattered and well used. It is listed on booklist on Roots Web and in the Pennsylvania Archives. The book I believe is now out of print. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:shelty48@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:15 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] The Pennsylvania Line Nelson, Thanks for the explanation about Lancaster County. What is the "The PENNSYLVANIA LINE"? Does it show who were land owners of the city of Lancaster or the county? Thanks! Larry > From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in > World War I > > > > Hello Ernest, > > > > Your thinking shows an awareness of how many > of Pennsylvania's counties were taken off of > earlier counties. Your guess could have been > accurate if Lancaster Co. had ever reached as > far > west as the location of Butler Co. > > > > From PENNSYLVANIA LINE (Fourth Edition, 1990) > we learn that Lancaster Co. was at its greatest > extent when taken, in its entirety, from > Chester Co. in 1729. At that time the > westernmost > point of Lancaster Co. was coincident with the > present-day boundary line between Franklin Co. > and Fulton Co. In other words, Lancaster Co., > on the southern border of Pennsylvania, at its > greatest extent, never reached further west > than the center of the state. > > > > Nelson R. Sulouff ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

I have one more possibility. Butler co. has a Lancaster twp. on its western edge. Townships are often identified in history books by their name without the word township following. The area of today's Butler co. in western PA was not part of Pennsylvania until 1785. According to maps in the "Pennsylvania Line 3rd ed." 1983 the area was purchased and was first part of Allegheny county in 1785 and organized in 1800 as Butler is today. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Connie [mailto:R.leaman@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:18 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I Ancestry now has free-to-everybody WWI draft registration cards on line. People living in Lancaster, PA were part of Butler County then? That's what's showing on line. I was surprised! Connie ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

The PENNSYLVANIA LINE: A Research Guide to Pennsylvania Genealogy and Local History is a reference book about Pennsylvania counties, townships, towns, and streams. It does not include names of residents. My 1990 (4th edition) shows the publisher's address as Southwest Pennsylvania Genealogical Society, P.O Box 253, Laughlintown, PA 15655. This publication has long been out of print and is now hard to find. Rumors have been circulating for the last two years that a new edition was being prepared but no one seems able to confirm the rumors. My copy is a 376-page paperback for which I paid $10.00 in 1991. I would not want to be researching family history in Pennsylvania without this reference! You might find a copy by searching on line for the book. ABEBOOKS (http://www.abebooks.com/) will search for a copy for you without charge. I've bought several books from this dealer and have received fine service at very reasonable prices. I have no relationship with AbeBooks except that I am a satisfied customer. Nelson R. Sulouff /////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Young To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com ; zuli@sprintmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: The Pennsylvania Line Nelson, Thanks for the explanation about Lancaster County. What is the "The PENNSYLVANIA LINE"? Does it show who were land owners of the city of Lancaster or the county? Thanks! Larry

The PENNSYLVANIA LINE makes it clear that the western boundary of Lancaster Co. in 1729 was firmly delineated by the Tuscarora Mt. range. Nelson R. Sulouff //////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: schwartz@rochelle.net To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I Nelson, Thanks for the insight on Lancaster County. Does that source say who established or what constituted the western boundary? Early maps I have seen did not show a western boundary. Thanks again, Ray

It is only a guide to various records of the counties of Pennsylvania and does not give any particulars as to landowners or even any genealogy.....It is good for territorial information and reference to publications etc....not the actual records themselves. hope this helps Joe Wolfe On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:14:51 -0800 (PST) Larry Young <shelty48@yahoo.com> writes: > Nelson, > > Thanks for the explanation about Lancaster > County. What is the "The PENNSYLVANIA LINE"? > Does it show who were land owners of the city of > Lancaster or the county? > > Thanks! > Larry > > > > From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> > > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in > > World War I > > > > > > > Hello Ernest, > > > > > > Your thinking shows an awareness of how many > > of Pennsylvania's counties were taken off of > > earlier counties. Your guess could have been > > accurate if Lancaster Co. had ever reached as > > far > > west as the location of Butler Co. > > > > > > From PENNSYLVANIA LINE (Fourth Edition, 1990) > > we learn that Lancaster Co. was at its greatest > > extent when taken, in its entirety, from > > Chester Co. in 1729. At that time the > > westernmost > > point of Lancaster Co. was coincident with the > > present-day boundary line between Franklin Co. > > and Fulton Co. In other words, Lancaster Co., > > on the southern border of Pennsylvania, at its > > greatest extent, never reached further west > > than the center of the state. > > > > > > Nelson R. Sulouff > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > >

O.K., Nelson, I "stand" corrected, and I thank you. Praise the Lord, I am not yet too old, to continuely learn. Ernest

Nelson, Thanks for the explanation about Lancaster County. What is the "The PENNSYLVANIA LINE"? Does it show who were land owners of the city of Lancaster or the county? Thanks! Larry > From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in > World War I > > > > Hello Ernest, > > > > Your thinking shows an awareness of how many > of Pennsylvania's counties were taken off of > earlier counties. Your guess could have been > accurate if Lancaster Co. had ever reached as > far > west as the location of Butler Co. > > > > From PENNSYLVANIA LINE (Fourth Edition, 1990) > we learn that Lancaster Co. was at its greatest > extent when taken, in its entirety, from > Chester Co. in 1729. At that time the > westernmost > point of Lancaster Co. was coincident with the > present-day boundary line between Franklin Co. > and Fulton Co. In other words, Lancaster Co., > on the southern border of Pennsylvania, at its > greatest extent, never reached further west > than the center of the state. > > > > Nelson R. Sulouff

Nelson, Thanks for the insight on Lancaster County. Does that source say who established or what constituted the western boundary? Early maps I have seen did not show a western boundary. Thanks again, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I > Hello Ernest, > > Your thinking shows an awareness of how many of Pennsylvania's counties were taken off of earlier counties. Your guess could have been accurate if Lancaster Co. had ever reached as far west as the location of Butler Co. > > From PENNSYLVANIA LINE (Fourth Edition, 1990) we learn that Lancaster Co. was at its greatest extent when taken, in its entirety, from Chester Co. in 1729. At that time the westernmost point of Lancaster Co. was coincident with the present-day boundary line between Franklin Co. and Fulton Co. In other words, Lancaster Co., on the southern border of Pennsylvania, at its greatest extent, never reached further west than the center of the state. > > Nelson R. Sulouff > > /////////////////////////////// > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daniel E Weinhold > To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I > > > Hi Connie, > > I should have mentioned when I first saw your query, what I believe the > orignal writer meant to say was that Butler County (PA) was originally a > part of Lancaster County, PA, as were most "come later" counties west and > north of Lancaster Co., as other replies have shared with you. > > Ernest > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. > >

Hello Ernest, Your thinking shows an awareness of how many of Pennsylvania's counties were taken off of earlier counties. Your guess could have been accurate if Lancaster Co. had ever reached as far west as the location of Butler Co. From PENNSYLVANIA LINE (Fourth Edition, 1990) we learn that Lancaster Co. was at its greatest extent when taken, in its entirety, from Chester Co. in 1729. At that time the westernmost point of Lancaster Co. was coincident with the present-day boundary line between Franklin Co. and Fulton Co. In other words, Lancaster Co., on the southern border of Pennsylvania, at its greatest extent, never reached further west than the center of the state. Nelson R. Sulouff /////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel E Weinhold To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I Hi Connie, I should have mentioned when I first saw your query, what I believe the orignal writer meant to say was that Butler County (PA) was originally a part of Lancaster County, PA, as were most "come later" counties west and north of Lancaster Co., as other replies have shared with you. Ernest

Hello Does anyone have this surname in their genealogy from Lancaster? My GG Grandmother was Felicite Ruhlmann from Alsace, France. She came to America with her parents and brother and sisters in 1853. Her husband, Anthony Iske was known as the Edison Of Lancaster due to his many inventions. I have been trying to find Felicite's siblings for a long time now with not much luck. One of her sisters named Rosina married a Jean or John Fontaine and they had a daughter Mary, but after the marriage records, I have nothing further on Rosina, John or mary. Any info on these elusive Ruhlmanns would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Gail

Hi Connie, I should have mentioned when I first saw your query, what I believe the orignal writer meant to say was that Butler County (PA) was originally a part of Lancaster County, PA, as were most "come later" counties west and north of Lancaster Co., as other replies have shared with you. Ernest

As I understand it, my direct ancestor, John Musgrave, was instrumental in having legislation passed in the Pennsylvania colonial legislature, which called for the surveying and formation of Lancaster County. I believe that area, or at least part of it, had formerly been Chester County, PA. Best, Bill Most sincerely, William R. (Bill) Massey of Lewisburg/Marshall County, Tennessee

Hello Connie, You have every right to be surprised, as will everyone else be, who reads that Lancaster was at one time a part of Butler Co., Pa.! The PENNSYLVANIA LINE (1990) states that Lancaster Co. was formed in 1729 from Chester Co. and that in 1730 five hundred acres was formally laid out as Lancaster City within Lancaster Co. Sale of the first lots in Lancaster City, begun in 1734, required that "a sufficient dwelling house" be built thereon on any lot purchased within the city boundaries. According to the same source, Butler Co. was formed in 1800 from Allegheny Co., way out west in Pennsylvania. The PENNSYLVANIA LINE indexes all towns in Pennsylvania and does not show any town named Lancaster outside of Lancaster Co. I cannot guess how or why anyone would come up with the misinformation that Lancaster City was ever in Butler Co. Nelson R. Sulouff //////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster county in World War I Ancestry now has free-to-everybody WWI draft registration cards on line. People living in Lancaster, PA were part of Butler County then? That's what's showing on line. I was surprised! Connie