Hello Fellow Listers: Has anyone ever found a really good website which provides information about the United Brethren Church, their history and their customs? If so, could you share that link? Thanks in advance. Donna Heller Zinn of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Richard: Thank you so much for all the information. I will definitely pursue these avenues. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Richard A. Sherer <rasherer@ix.netcom.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:51:17 -0800 Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Dianna, There are a couple of work-arounds here. First, if your ancestor was born in 1856, there's a good chance she lived past 1906. If she died in Pennsylvania in 1906 or later, you can order a death certificate from the state, which includes the names of the deceased's parents as well as the date of birth. Second, if you know where your ancestor was living at the time of her death, check the local newspapers for an obituary. Often church membership was included in the obituary; if not, knowing the name of the pastor who conducted the funeral could point you to the person's church. Some church records have been indexed and posted online. Others are stored at local historical or genealogy societies. If you know the township where your ancestor lived, you can check with the local historical society to see if they have church records. Many church records were microfilmed by the LDS church and are available from LDS Family History Centers. If you're in the U.S., the chances are good that there is a center near you. You can order the microfilm and go through the records at the center. Good luck. Richard Aurand Sherer -----Original Message----- From: mtmodie@aol.com [mailto:mtmodie@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:45 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Thank you Joe. Now I just have to figure out what Church they may have attended. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:17:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Sorry Dianna ..there would be NO BIRTH certificate as we know today. the only thing would be to find hopefully a baptismal or birth record from the church that her parents attended. Joe Wolfe On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:26:57 -0500 mtmodie@aol.com writes: > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. > Where would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy ______________________________ ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy

Thanks for the info. I've also thought about checking church records available as he was Lutheran. Joan Shurtliff

I stumbled across somone needing information on a web site from 1997. The email address is not currant. I have information about Roland F. Nye from Lancaster Co. If Beatrice Murdaugh is a member of this list, will you please contact me. Yvonne

Check Lancaster County tax records between 1853 and 1856. They are available at the Pennsylvania State Archives and probably at the Lancaster County Historical Society as well. Nearly all adult males paid taxes, not just the land owners.

Its going to be tough finding someone who was only here for a few years. The Lancaster City Directory of 1845 would be too early and the one for 1857 would be too late, there were no others. They missed the census. You might find something in tax records but its a stretch. Joan and/or Dan Shurtliff <dirtdoc@hur.midco.net> wrote: My gggrandfather Peter Bachenberg left Germany in Feb. 1853 and, like so many other Germans, came to the U.S. Family information is that he first settled in Lancaster County, PA. A son, Peter, was born there in May of 1855. Peter Bachenberg Sr. settled permanently in IA purchasing land in Nov. 1856. I surmise that he may have had someone help pay passage over and lived in Lancaster County to settle up. I have done some preliminary looking at the Family History Library and don't believe he owned any property while he was in PA. My question: Is there any way to find out where he lived in Lancaster County? Thanks. Joan Shurtliff ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

My gggrandfather Peter Bachenberg left Germany in Feb. 1853 and, like so many other Germans, came to the U.S. Family information is that he first settled in Lancaster County, PA. A son, Peter, was born there in May of 1855. Peter Bachenberg Sr. settled permanently in IA purchasing land in Nov. 1856. I surmise that he may have had someone help pay passage over and lived in Lancaster County to settle up. I have done some preliminary looking at the Family History Library and don't believe he owned any property while he was in PA. My question: Is there any way to find out where he lived in Lancaster County? Thanks. Joan Shurtliff

Joan. I believe you might want to check out City Directories for Lancaster for the period.....also the 1860 census for Lancaster County...that would be a place to start Joe Wolfe On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:22:02 -0600 "Joan and/or Dan Shurtliff" <dirtdoc@hur.midco.net> writes: > My gggrandfather Peter Bachenberg left Germany in Feb. 1853 and, like > so many other Germans, came to the U.S. Family information is that > he first settled in Lancaster County, PA. A son, Peter, was born > there in May of 1855. Peter Bachenberg Sr. settled permanently in IA > purchasing land in Nov. 1856. I surmise that he may have had someone > help pay passage over and lived in Lancaster County to settle up. I > have done some preliminary looking at the Family History Library and > don't believe he owned any property while he was in PA. My question: > Is there any way to find out where he lived in Lancaster County? > Thanks. > Joan Shurtliff > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

Dianna, There are a couple of work-arounds here. First, if your ancestor was born in 1856, there's a good chance she lived past 1906. If she died in Pennsylvania in 1906 or later, you can order a death certificate from the state, which includes the names of the deceased's parents as well as the date of birth. Second, if you know where your ancestor was living at the time of her death, check the local newspapers for an obituary. Often church membership was included in the obituary; if not, knowing the name of the pastor who conducted the funeral could point you to the person's church. Some church records have been indexed and posted online. Others are stored at local historical or genealogy societies. If you know the township where your ancestor lived, you can check with the local historical society to see if they have church records. Many church records were microfilmed by the LDS church and are available from LDS Family History Centers. If you're in the U.S., the chances are good that there is a center near you. You can order the microfilm and go through the records at the center. Good luck. Richard Aurand Sherer -----Original Message----- From: mtmodie@aol.com [mailto:mtmodie@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:45 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Thank you Joe. Now I just have to figure out what Church they may have attended. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:17:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Sorry Dianna ..there would be NO BIRTH certificate as we know today. the only thing would be to find hopefully a baptismal or birth record from the church that her parents attended. Joe Wolfe On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:26:57 -0500 mtmodie@aol.com writes: > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. > Where would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy ______________________________

Tim: Thank you for checking for me. I sincerely appreciate the help. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Tim Robinson <trobinson42@comcast.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:35:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS]Birth Record for Fannie Brenner Dianna, ( Ref. to BRENNER look-up ) That is a liittle later than most of the records I have, which is a substantual lot. As they mostly go into the very early part of the 1800's. It does seem to me that the BRENNER's were German, & their were plenty of them Lancaster County, however I only found some information on a JOHN who had a child that was baptized 14 Aug. 1796............so that would be some time before Fannie would come along. Hopefully someone else on this great list can come up with some later data for you. Tim R. ***** Fannie Brenner, Mt. Joy Township, date of birth May 15, 1856, Daughter of John H. Brenner and Susanna Hoffman Brenner ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS]Birth Record for Fannie Brenner, Mt. Joy Township, date of birth May 15, 1856, Daughter of John H. Brenner and Susanna Hoffman Brenner > Tim: > > Thank you for your reply regarding the posting for information. Thanks to > all for their willingness to help me in my search. > > > Dianna > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

Dianna, ( Ref. to BRENNER look-up ) That is a liittle later than most of the records I have, which is a substantual lot. As they mostly go into the very early part of the 1800's. It does seem to me that the BRENNER's were German, & their were plenty of them Lancaster County, however I only found some information on a JOHN who had a child that was baptized 14 Aug. 1796............so that would be some time before Fannie would come along. Hopefully someone else on this great list can come up with some later data for you. Tim R. ***** Fannie Brenner, Mt. Joy Township, date of birth May 15, 1856, Daughter of John H. Brenner and Susanna Hoffman Brenner ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS]Birth Record for Fannie Brenner, Mt. Joy Township, date of birth May 15, 1856, Daughter of John H. Brenner and Susanna Hoffman Brenner > Tim: > > Thank you for your reply regarding the posting for information. Thanks to > all for their willingness to help me in my search. > > > Dianna > >

Thank you Joe. Now I just have to figure out what Church they may have attended. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:17:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords Sorry Dianna ..there would be NO BIRTH certificate as we know today. the only thing would be to find hopefully a baptismal or birth record from the church that her parents attended. Joe Wolfe On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:26:57 -0500 mtmodie@aol.com writes: > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. > Where would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html You are responsible for following the A.U.P. Acceptable Use Policy

Tim: Thank you for your reply regarding the posting for information. Thanks to all for their willingness to help me in my search. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Tim Robinson <trobinson42@comcast.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:43:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birth records ????? I've said this before, and I guess I'll have to say it again. When you are posting for information, you should ALWAYS put whom, years, location, and any other tidbit in your mail, so we don't have to guess where or who we are to look for. There are plenty of us out here who have enough source's available to choke a horse, and eager to use it looking for someone. Go for it Dianna............ Tim R. ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. Where > would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message.

I've said this before, and I guess I'll have to say it again. When you are posting for information, you should ALWAYS put whom, years, location, and any other tidbit in your mail, so we don't have to guess where or who we are to look for. There are plenty of us out here who have enough source's available to choke a horse, and eager to use it looking for someone. Go for it Dianna............ Tim R. ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. Where > would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna

Files recently added to the Lancaster County Archives: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/bibles/stern02.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/bibles/stern01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/bibles/hoffman01.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/military/revwar/pensions/kinter-john.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/newspapers/intell-18860426.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/newspapers/intell-18900109.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/abel-theresa-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/arnold-ada-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/bailey-sarah-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/brown-harvey-1895.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/deichler-alb-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/gibson-s-nell-1881.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/herzog-mary-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/hess-c-m-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/hess-danl-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/lentz-wm-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/lewis-john-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/mayer-john-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/nixdorf-mary-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/nixdorf-saml-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/oblender-mart-1890.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/rote-geo-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/rudy-linton-1886.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/scheetz-helen-1900.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/lancaster/obits/scott-owen-1886.txt Abby Bowman File Manager, USGenWeb Archives Lancaster, Dauphin, Lebanon and Franklin Counties, PA http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lancaster/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/dauphin/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lebanon/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/franklin/

Sorry Dianna ..there would be NO BIRTH certificate as we know today. the only thing would be to find hopefully a baptismal or birth record from the church that her parents attended. Joe Wolfe On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:26:57 -0500 mtmodie@aol.com writes: > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. > Where would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

Good Evenin' Dianna and Fellow Listers: For a Birth Record or documentation for times other than 1852-1855 you will have to find Bible or Church Records. During the years 1852-1855 the State required that the births and deaths be recorded at the County level in the County Court House. [note: The years may differ from county to county in Pennsylvania but the years listed before are true for at least the following list: Cumberland, Perry, Adams, York, Franklin, Juniata] Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster County birthrecords > To the list: > My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. Where would I find a birth record? > > Thank you. > > Dianna >

To the list: My gg grandmother was born May 15, 1856 in Lancaster, County PA. Where would I find a birth record? Thank you. Dianna

Ok, thanks! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes [mailto:james_l_stokes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 2:28 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Amity Hi Kathleen, People who lived on the eastern side of Berks County were in Philadelphia County in 1752, people who lived on the western side were in Lancaster. I don't have my map of Berks County so I haven't checked exactly where Amity Twp. sits. If you have a good source that says it was in Philadelphia County, I'd go with that. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Kathleen Gregory <gregory@giantcomm.net> wrote: I did a search in the FHL Catalog at www.familysearch.org for Amity in Pennsylvania. Here is what I found: "Pennsylvania, Berks, Amity Township; Settled about 1693; incorporated while part of Philadelphia County about 1719, but no record of court proceedings. Petition was renewed 3 March 1744. Became part of Berks County in 1752." Here is my question: James Mitchell was born in Amity in 1738. Does this indicate that he was actually born in Philadelphia County and not Lancaster County? Kathy ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

Did you check "Amity Hall" which is in what is now Perry Co.? -Toni H. Kathleen Gregory wrote: >I did a search in the FHL Catalog at www.familysearch.org for Amity in >Pennsylvania. Here is what I found: "Pennsylvania, Berks, Amity Township; >Settled about 1693; incorporated while part of Philadelphia County about >1719, but no record of court proceedings. Petition was renewed 3 March >1744. Became part of Berks County in 1752." > >Here is my question: James Mitchell was born in Amity in 1738. Does this >indicate that he was actually born in Philadelphia County and not Lancaster >County? > >Kathy > > > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > > >