Yvonne: This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. Thank you for your reply. Dianna Seattle -----Original Message----- From: MarkleVon@aol.com To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:28:57 EST Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... I am wondering if you have the correct birth date for Susanna. Her son, Philip Brenner was b. 11-11-1752?? She is buried at Kraybill Meetinghouse Cemetery, East Donegal Twp, Lanc. Co. Pa. Yvonne ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com

Does anybody have a William Hoffman that married Rebecca Smith. Rebecca was born 1859 in Lykens, Dauphin Co., PA. thanks Rhoda LostMtRose@ao.com

I am wondering if you have the correct birth date for Susanna. Her son, Philip Brenner was b. 11-11-1752?? She is buried at Kraybill Meetinghouse Cemetery, East Donegal Twp, Lanc. Co. Pa. Yvonne

Re: Catherine Brenner, dau. of Johann Philipp Brenner and Eva Maria Singhaas. I have done extensive research on this family, and I believe Catherine Brenner (1785-1813) was married to Jacob Eichholtz (1777-1842), son of G. Matthaeus Eichholtz. This is supported by numerous probate records, baptism records, cemetery records, etc. I will be glad to discuss offline if you are interested. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Wise" <patricia_wise@hotmail.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Correction 12-4-1794 died 8-7-1874 Buried Kraybill Mennonite Cemetery > I don't have any direct hits, but of my ancestors that lived in that area > during that timeframe these are some that may be related to yours: > > John Hoffman (b.c. 1775) m. Sarah Newcomer (b. aft. 1779) > Catherine Hoffman (1772-1825) m. Christian Uhrich > > Catherine Brenner (c. 1784-Bef. 1832), child of Johann Philipp Brenner and > Eva Maria Senghaas, m. John David Eichholtz (1786-1862) > > Good luck! > > Patty Wise > > >From: mtmodie@aol.com > >Reply-To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of > >Birth Correction 12-4-1794 died 8-7-1874 Buried Kraybill Mennonite > >Cemetery > >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:15:39 -0500 > > > >To the List: > >Does anyone have a connection with a Susanna Hoffman born 12-4-1794? I > >recently posted a query with the wrong birthdate. > > > > > >She married Michael Brenner and they lived in Mount Joy Township, Lancaster > >PA. > > > > > > > > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > >No political statements to this list. > >No religious statements. > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

I don't have any direct hits, but of my ancestors that lived in that area during that timeframe these are some that may be related to yours: John Hoffman (b.c. 1775) m. Sarah Newcomer (b. aft. 1779) Catherine Hoffman (1772-1825) m. Christian Uhrich Catherine Brenner (c. 1784-Bef. 1832), child of Johann Philipp Brenner and Eva Maria Senghaas, m. John David Eichholtz (1786-1862) Good luck! Patty Wise >From: mtmodie@aol.com >Reply-To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of >Birth Correction 12-4-1794 died 8-7-1874 Buried Kraybill Mennonite >Cemetery >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:15:39 -0500 > >To the List: >Does anyone have a connection with a Susanna Hoffman born 12-4-1794? I >recently posted a query with the wrong birthdate. > > >She married Michael Brenner and they lived in Mount Joy Township, Lancaster >PA. > > > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >No political statements to this list. >No religious statements. >

Millie: Thank you. I will try the PA data boards. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Rock2Plate@aol.com To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:13 EST Subject: [PALANCAS] Elizabeth (Brenner) Musser Dianna, Have you tried the PA Data Boards? There is a, Musser, Michael B. biographical sketch that mentions your Elizabeth (Brenner) Musser. http://www.pa-roots.org/data/search.php?100. You can search all of the boards at one time for a name, which is very helpful. Millie in KS ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com

Doug: I checked my family tree maker and I only have one Michael Brenner in my line. He had a son Michael but he died when he was 3. I also did not show any Shenks in my line. I will keep these names as well as yours just in case I come across them in my search. Dianna Seattle -----Original Message----- From: D Reisinger <dug.reis@verizon.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:18:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] re: Susanna Hoffman date of birth October 30, 1782 Dianna.... I don't have info on this Susanna, however it appears your following the Hoffman's... I was wondering if you might have any info on a Susanna Shenk b/1818 who sometime after 1848 I feel married a Michael Hoffman in around the West Donegal or Elizabethtown, Pa area? Thanks.. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] re: Susanna Hoffman date of birth October 30, 1782 > To the list: > Does anyone have a connection with Susanna Hoffman, daughter of Jacob and > Anna Maria from East Donegal township. Her date of birth was October 30, > 1782. I am trying to find out who she married. > > Thank you. > > Dianna > SEattle > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy.

To the List: Does anyone have a connection with a Susanna Hoffman born 12-4-1794? I recently posted a query with the wrong birthdate. She married Michael Brenner and they lived in Mount Joy Township, Lancaster PA.

Looking for information on the Hess Family out of East Earl Twp. Lancaster County, PA. The following are known to be the children of Susannah [maiden name unknown](ca. 1794-ca. 1863) with the married name of HESS. She was possibly the wife of a Jacob HESS* (1792-1873). They may have been divorced or separated. *Jacob Hess (1792-1873) may have been the son of Rev. Christian Landis HESS, Sr. (1751-1816) of Salisbury Twp. Lancaster County and who owned property in Earl (East Earl Twp.). Susannah HESS died about 1863. Her will (X-1-442) proven in 1863 lists the following children. i. Barbara HESS married a Grable (possibly a Jacob GRABLE / GRAYBILL) ii. Christian HESS (born on 29 Mar 1816) married a Nancy _________, both buried at Weaverland Cemetery. iii. David HESS (born about 1820). Married a Rebecca __________. iv. Jacob HESS (born in Mar 1822). Married a Elizabeth __________. v. Elizabeth HESS. vi. Susannah HESS was born about 1832. If anyone has any information on this family please let me know. Thank you. Frank W. Hess Enola, PA

Hi, Here are the definitions provided by the Chester County archives. They're generally the same for other 18th century counties in Pennsylvania. There are four categories of taxables: landholder – held land by lease or deed (PA taxed the occupant) inmate – married or widowed, landless (contract labor) freeman – single, free man at least 21 years of age (as of 1718). Had to be out of servitude or apprenticeship at least 6 months at time of tax. Taxation of freemen was inconsistent. It appears that before 1755 single men living with their parents were not taxed. nonresident landowner – owner of unseated (unoccupied) land Brian

Darlene. Your E-mail is encouraging to say the least, and I thank you. This research has been going on for a number of generation,S with no answer,S. Even if your suggestion,s do not "pain out" I am happy to note that some one, namely YOU is showing an interest in assisting THE cause. No, I have not been to the Miffintown (Hist. Soc.) : one reason I always figured Noah THE Researcher in than part of the state (and of course of the Acker/Landis family) would have "milked it dry". Of course, Noah like we, was human also. I (and other,s) have visited the MOntg.. Co. Hist. Soc. a number of times and Bucks Co. including the Montg. Co Courthouse.\ As you may know, being of the Mennonite faith, their children were not as infants, baptized, hence very few Church record,s are found. My mother's Martha Elizabeth Landis Weinhold , father was born in the S.W. corner )really just out side on the left, a small farm) of Thompsontown, back in the latter part of the 1800,s and after he and his brother,s move back to Lancaster, William Landis and his wife Catherine Aucker also moved back to Lanc. co., PA. In year,s past The Jun. Co. Landis family has had their family reunion in the East Salem area. What is so strange is that MY Landis ancestor,s seemingly have no "connection" with the Landis/es' of Montg. or Bucks Counties nor of course with the ones who settled in Lancaster county, PA. I have a much younger person (a Landis m'd. to a Landis) assisting me and I just may share what you have shared with me. We will work on it. The Juniata (Mennonite)District Historical Society is not only an interesting place for research but has LOT,s if information for researcher,s, near Richfield. Who knows, maybe your suggestion may lead to a answer we are seeking. Again, thank you Darlene D. Ernest weinhold DEWeinhold@juno.com Manheim. PA

Hello. I grew up near East Salem, Juniata County but moved away when I married. I grew up on a farm. Our neighbors to the north were the Landis' and to the south, the Auker/Acker family. The Aukers were Mennonite and the Landis' (at least the ones I knew) were not. Both were wonderful neighbors. Have you tried contacting the Juniata County Historical Society in Mifflintown for information? I have found some very helpful people there. Darlene On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Daniel E Weinhold wrote: > Thank you , Donna, > > I believe we were in "contact" many yea,s ago? I have forgotten though > what the reason was? > > I have wanted to "visit" your group for many year,s but it just > does not > happen. And Now, being 80 year,s old I do not get around as I once > did. > > Just off hand I can think of one, maybe 2 surname,s of INTEREST to me, > namely that of HARTUNG/HARTING etc. and I believe my LANDIS relatives > from Juniata Co, "dipped into" your area. > > The late Noah Zimmerman was related to me via the Landis line (and > here > is another surname) and the ACKER,s. > > I have often wondered IF the Perry County courthouse just might > hold some > clue that Noah may have missed. regarding OUR Landis family that > originally moved from Montg. Co., PA to Juniata Co., PA? We have never > been able to "go back" further on Abraham and Maria Huber Landis > who were > m'd. in 1818 in Montg. co., PA., and are buried in the "Brick > Mennonite > Church Cemetery, near Richfield. > > My over all research center,s around the very early Penna. German,s > who > settled in the N.E. corner of Lancaster County and nearby counties > here > in PA. (Approx. 50 non Mennonite surname,s) for over 35 year,s. > > Have I met you at one of the Lanc. Menno. Hist. Soc. Genealogical > Conference,s. I know "you" had a represntive there. > > D. Ernest Weinhold > DEWeinhold@juno.com > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com >

Thank you , Donna, I believe we were in "contact" many yea,s ago? I have forgotten though what the reason was? I have wanted to "visit" your group for many year,s but it just does not happen. And Now, being 80 year,s old I do not get around as I once did. Just off hand I can think of one, maybe 2 surname,s of INTEREST to me, namely that of HARTUNG/HARTING etc. and I believe my LANDIS relatives from Juniata Co, "dipped into" your area. The late Noah Zimmerman was related to me via the Landis line (and here is another surname) and the ACKER,s. I have often wondered IF the Perry County courthouse just might hold some clue that Noah may have missed. regarding OUR Landis family that originally moved from Montg. Co., PA to Juniata Co., PA? We have never been able to "go back" further on Abraham and Maria Huber Landis who were m'd. in 1818 in Montg. co., PA., and are buried in the "Brick Mennonite Church Cemetery, near Richfield. My over all research center,s around the very early Penna. German,s who settled in the N.E. corner of Lancaster County and nearby counties here in PA. (Approx. 50 non Mennonite surname,s) for over 35 year,s. Have I met you at one of the Lanc. Menno. Hist. Soc. Genealogical Conference,s. I know "you" had a represntive there. D. Ernest Weinhold DEWeinhold@juno.com

Dianna.... I don't have info on this Susanna, however it appears your following the Hoffman's... I was wondering if you might have any info on a Susanna Shenk b/1818 who sometime after 1848 I feel married a Michael Hoffman in around the West Donegal or Elizabethtown, Pa area? Thanks.. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] re: Susanna Hoffman date of birth October 30, 1782 > To the list: > Does anyone have a connection with Susanna Hoffman, daughter of Jacob and > Anna Maria from East Donegal township. Her date of birth was October 30, > 1782. I am trying to find out who she married. > > Thank you. > > Dianna > SEattle > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

Good Afternoon Folks: Just wanted to let you all know that the Perry Historians [aka Harry Lenig Library] a genealogical library located just outside of New Bloomfield, Centre Twp., Perry Co., PA. on Rt.34, will be holding their annual Genealogical Workshop on Saturday, March 11, 2006 in the library from 9:00 a.m until 5:00 p.m. Once again Harry Focht, master genealogist will be speaking on the various records and documents one encounters when researching our ancestry.... and some not so well known records that may prove useful. There may be free time to do research in our facility after the program. Volunteers will be there to assist you - if you've never been to our library before. This is a FREE service that is offered annually by the Perry Historians. Should you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me at djzinn@pa.net Hope to see you there! Donna Heller Zinn volunteer

In tracking my Christian Eyman, or a bunch of them ;-) I stumble onto references in tax listings on the web to "freeman" -- and he were one;-) Does this imply acknowledge citizen though without property of his own? Might the implication be that he's single or something? Any tips or suggestions would be much appreciated. Care.. Steve Iman -- sciman@csupomona.edu

Shelly, I am working on a history of the Eckman Family of Lancaster County and yes all those names do cross at points. I would be much appreciative for the photos, especially the specific Eckmans. You are a God-send! I can be reached at jre@fixit1.com or 717-333-5525 (cell). My address is 225 Princess Avenue, Lancaster PA 17601 Again, thank you! Jeanne Eckman -----Original Message----- From: Shelley Cardiel [mailto:cardiels@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:01 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] KREIDER Family Photograph I've "rescued" two old photographs belonging to the KREIDER Family of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The first is a photograph of Harry KREIDER and his wife. The photograph was taken at the Aller's Gallery in Lancaster, probably sometime in the 1880's with the couple appearing to be in their 20's or 30's. The second is a photograph of Elva KREIDER and was taken at the Lease Studio in Lancaster. I think the second photograph was probably taken in the 1890's with Elva looking to be about 1 year old at the time. Based on limited research, I believe that this is likely a photograph of Harry KREIDER son of Isaac & Mary KREIDER who were living with their family in Leacock, PA during the 1880 census with records providing the following information: Isaac KREIDER, age 43, born PA, a Farmer, parent born PA Mary KREIDER, wife, age 40, born PA, Keeping House, parents born PA Anna Mary KREIDER, dau, age 18, born PA, at Home Harry KREIDER, son, age 13, born PA, at Home Susie E. KREIDER, dau, age 10, born PA, at Home Emanuel J. KREIDER, son, age 5, born PA Elizabeth KREIDER, dau, age 3, born PA Charles WEAVER, other, age 18, born PA, a Laborer, parents born PA In the 1910 census of Bart, PA I find the Harry KREIDER Family as follows: Harry KREIDER, age 44, married 19 years, born PA, parents born PA, a Farmer Sallie KREIDER, wife, age 30, married 19 years, 6 children/3 living, born PA, parents born PA/Germany Elva M. KREIDER, dau, age 17, born PA Frank M. KREIDER, son, age 14, born PA Blanche M. KREIDER, dau, age 9, born PA In addition to these two photographs I've also recovered photographs belonging to the BURKHOLDER, WEAVER, MCCLEARY, ECKMAN, DECKER, and STOUTZENBERGER Families. I've no idea how they all may be connected, though I know that the handwritten notes on all were made by the same hand so it is certain that they belonged together at some point in the past. I'm hoping to locate someone from this family so that these wonderful old photographs can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com

Hi Nancy, If your confident this ancestor attended Brickerville Academy then there is a good chance he lived within three or four miles of Brickerville. It took about an hour to walk or ride a horse three or four miles and its likely he wouldn't have spent more than an hour going to school each day, he probably lived much closer. If you know when this person was born then check the index to the federal census after their birth, to see where people with that name lived around Brickerville. Geography is an important clue when doing genealogy, people didn't move around much when the means of transportation was walking or riding a horse. If you know who he married and his wife's maiden name then you can check the census for both names to further narrow the search. The important point is to constantly try to narrow the focus from Pennsylvania to Lancaster County to a township, that is a successful method. Jim CAHS http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm PHILIP HOUSTON <nancytex37@msn.com> wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. I have been tryng to trace that info down for years. I never got that answer before. My grandfather was born at "Brubakers Mills" and since there are a number of those on the Lancaster County maps, I was hoping school info might give me a better idea of where he was born. Thanks again Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: James Stokes To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Brickerville Academy I've never heard of the Brickerville Academy but it could have been a local school before the Pa. School law was passed in 1835. There were lots of local schools at that time, run by teachers as a business, no public support. Most of these disappeared after the public school law was passed. One of my great great grandfather's operated a school in Philadelphia. Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm PHILIP HOUSTON > wrote: A cousin of my mother's wrote brief highlights of his brothers life. One of the pieces of information is that his father andall of his brothers (one of which was my grandfather) attended the Brickerville Academy in Lancaster County. I can only assume this would be close to Brickerville but I can find no information. Does anyone have any idea where it may have been or what other name it may have gone by? Nancy Houston ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

1880 Census= all b. PA, parents b. PA== 157 south 4th street, columbia, lanc, PA Fred Wagner 27, works on RR wife Elizabeth 25 fred 4 and mary 6 mos. (makes it dec 1879) working backwards to 1870 for Fred* Wagner age 17-19, all b. PA 1) in lebanon boro, leb cty, PA Eliza wagner 56, john H/F 34 day laborer, william 24 furnace worker, Frederick 18 furnace worker'; also Annie Dubbs 7.--maybe this is your Fred? 2) in lebanon boro, leb cty, PA b. PA Frederick Wagner 18, boatman (living with jacob and Louisa Barr) to 1860 (none in lanc county) north lebanon township, lebanon cty, PA 1) John Fixel (illegible age, maybe 59?) day laborer b. Prupia?) Elizabeth age 47 b. Lebanon PA (no last name given) Frederick Wagner age 7 b. lebanon PA in 1850 - lebanon cty, PA Michael Wagner 41 tailor, elizabeth wagner 38 children: John 14, Henna 12, Lorana 8, william 6, mary 4, arabella 11mos & boarders > > X-Message: #2 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:47 -0500 > From: "Charles Brown" <ceb5@ezwv.com> > To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000801c63500$d66cbb40$b3002b45@DFQQ6Y11> > Subject: WAGNER > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Frederick WAGNER was born about 1852 and died in Columbia in 1898. He worked as a machinist for the railroad and was killed in an accident in the Columbia roundhouse. He married Elizabeth WEAVER also from the Columbia area. She died in 1930. Can anyone direct me to their parents or other relatives? > > >

sorry cannort tell you anything about the Wagner famijly but the Prupia you have written down is actually Prussia (sometimes the double s in German looks like a P........part of Germany Joe Wolfe