Judy, Chart showing calendar changes by country is found at: http://homepages.tesco.net/~jk.calisto/calisto/calendars/change_dates_jg.htm After reviewing the chart you will probably ask yourself, "Why did I ever ask?!!!(¦D) Nelson R. Sulouff ////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy

What countries were affected by this change in the calendar? Thank you. Judy -----Original Message----- From: James Stokes [mailto:james_l_stokes@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 04:57 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... Hi Pam, This is a tricky period in historical and genealogical research because the change over from the Old to the New Calendar was in 1752. People went to bed on the evening of Oct 3, 1752 and woke up the next morning, on Oct. 14, 1752. The British parliment had changed from the Old to the New Calendar and had chosen Oct. 3 as the date of the transformaton. They had decided to change because the old calendar was off by 11 days and this may have impacted farmers and when they planted their crops. (I suspect that most farmers were already aware the calendar was off and were just planting earlier). In addition, the beginning of the year was changed from March to January. People should be careful when copying records and resist the temptation to modernize them. If you find a date of November 2, 1752 you should copy it as such, if you find it 11/2/1752 then copy it that way. Its an interesting question whether the minister at Trinity Lutheran Church was aware of the Act ! of Parliment or if he was already using the New Calendar because it had been adopted in Germany earlier. An example, we celebrate George Washington's birthday on Feb. 22, (or we used to), in fact he was born Feb. 11th, the difference is the calendar change. His church record, if there is one, should read Feb. 11, 1731/32 or 12/11/1731/32 because February was the last month of the year before 1752. The double dating of the year was given for months between January and March. Who knows if people who reprinted or transcribed these records were aware of the calendar change or if they tried to convert these dates. We should copy these dates as we find them and not convert 11 to November since it could also have been February. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Pam Pearson <pampearson@patmedia.net> wrote: A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject.

Hi Pam, This is a tricky period in historical and genealogical research because the change over from the Old to the New Calendar was in 1752. People went to bed on the evening of Oct 3, 1752 and woke up the next morning, on Oct. 14, 1752. The British parliment had changed from the Old to the New Calendar and had chosen Oct. 3 as the date of the transformaton. They had decided to change because the old calendar was off by 11 days and this may have impacted farmers and when they planted their crops. (I suspect that most farmers were already aware the calendar was off and were just planting earlier). In addition, the beginning of the year was changed from March to January. People should be careful when copying records and resist the temptation to modernize them. If you find a date of November 2, 1752 you should copy it as such, if you find it 11/2/1752 then copy it that way. Its an interesting question whether the minister at Trinity Lutheran Church was aware of the Act ! of Parliment or if he was already using the New Calendar because it had been adopted in Germany earlier. An example, we celebrate George Washington's birthday on Feb. 22, (or we used to), in fact he was born Feb. 11th, the difference is the calendar change. His church record, if there is one, should read Feb. 11, 1731/32 or 12/11/1731/32 because February was the last month of the year before 1752. The double dating of the year was given for months between January and March. Who knows if people who reprinted or transcribed these records were aware of the calendar change or if they tried to convert these dates. We should copy these dates as we find them and not convert 11 to November since it could also have been February. Jim http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Pam Pearson <pampearson@patmedia.net> wrote: A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

Revolutionary War veterans and descendants in pension reguest for old John Platt, Elizabeth Bard Luther stated she knew him in York as a REV Soldier. this has led many of us to wonder if she was from York. Got this from a lady who is researching the Luthers. Just wonder if anyone can help his name was John Platt the lady is Elizabeth Bard/Barth,she married Conrad Luther,Luther Bernhard Marianus. Conrad is my gggg grandfather.Conrad Luther is listed as a Hesse-Cassel soldier,but he did not specify a regimental unit.Conrad wastransported to America by the British AS A Hessian mercenary sometime between 1776 and 1778. any help wouldd be appreicated thanks john Bauman

Hello Pat and Fellow Listers: Harry Focht will be addressing documents and resources that can be found locally ... and also in other areas. So those attending can take what they have learned and use it elsewhere in their searches. As for the surnames that you listed..... yes, SMITH and WRIGHT are definitely Perry Co. surnames. In fact we have a completely full filing cabinet drawer full of surname resources on the surname SMITH. I do hope you decide to come out to the workshop. I have been attending every year for 13 years and each year I come away with something new! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "donald Glasgow" <dglasgow@innernet.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Perry Historians Annual Genealogical Workshop > Do you address resources that are local ones that would not be readily > available elsewhere? I know that my grandfather's family settled in New > Buffalo area after coming from Ireland. Several were doctors. We have > the deed to one of their properties- would the speaker talk bout local > resources? We would be coming from Chambersburg, and want to know if it > would be helpful?? > > Thank you, > > Pat Glasgow > > P.S. the surnames would be McMorris, Pines, Drummond, Wright, Smith, and > Leedy > > -----Original Message----- > Just wanted to let you all know that the Perry Historians [aka Harry > Lenig Library] a genealogical library located just outside of New > Bloomfield, Centre Twp., Perry Co., PA. on Rt.34, will be holding their > annual Genealogical Workshop on Saturday, March 11, 2006 in the library > from 9:00 a.m until 5:00 p.m. > > Once again Harry Focht, master genealogist will be speaking on the > various records and documents one encounters when researching our > ancestry.... and some not so well known records that may prove useful. > > There may be free time to do research in our facility after the program. > Volunteers will be there to assist you - if you've never been to our > library before. > > This is a FREE service that is offered annually by the Perry Historians. > > Should you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me at > djzinn@pa.net > > Hope to see you there! > Donna Heller Zinn > volunteer

Do you address resources that are local ones that would not be readily available elsewhere? I know that my grandfather's family settled in New Buffalo area after coming from Ireland. Several were doctors. We have the deed to one of their properties- would the speaker talk bout local resources? We would be coming from Chambersburg, and want to know if it would be helpful?? Thank you, Pat Glasgow P.S. the surnames would be McMorris, Pines, Drummond, Wright, Smith, and Leedy -----Original Message----- From: Donna Heller Zinn [mailto:djzinn@pa.net] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:05 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] Perry Historians Annual Genealogical Workshop Good Afternoon Folks: Just wanted to let you all know that the Perry Historians [aka Harry Lenig Library] a genealogical library located just outside of New Bloomfield, Centre Twp., Perry Co., PA. on Rt.34, will be holding their annual Genealogical Workshop on Saturday, March 11, 2006 in the library from 9:00 a.m until 5:00 p.m. Once again Harry Focht, master genealogist will be speaking on the various records and documents one encounters when researching our ancestry.... and some not so well known records that may prove useful. There may be free time to do research in our facility after the program. Volunteers will be there to assist you - if you've never been to our library before. This is a FREE service that is offered annually by the Perry Historians. Should you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me at djzinn@pa.net Hope to see you there! Donna Heller Zinn volunteer ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements.

You want to check out the Johan Schwalm Historical Association at http://pages.prodigy.net/halschwalm/jshalink.html They have lists of soldiers on their web page. In addition lists of soldiers have been in Pa. History and other sources. Also a google search for "Hessians Soldiers" should turn up something. To learn about his military career in the U.S. you need to identify what unit he was in and then track that unit. Its unlikely that he will be identified by name in any sources. Good luck. Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm JOHN JOHN G BAUMAN <johnnyb42@verizon.net> wrote: hello to the List, My gggg grandfather,Conrad Luther married Elizabeth Barth/Bard of Hempfield at the First Reformed Church,Lancaster,Pa, 10 Dec 1789.They had five children born in Lancaster county. He was transported to America by the British as a Hessian mercenary sometime between 1776 and 1778.It has been verified that he deserted the British/Hessian forces in New Jersey in 1778.On November 10,1782 he signed by mark the oath of Allegiance to the state of Pa. there are a # of things I am searching for. Elizabeth's parents.The church records don't seem to show any relatives.What about the marriage license?Would the church be the only ones that know?I did check,did not find. Where could I find more information on Conrad during his military career So,I hope someone can help guide me in the right direction. Any help would be appreicated thank you John Bauman York,Pa ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

You need the administrator then for the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Robinson" <trobinson@co.ba.md.us> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] UNSUBSCRIBE > I tried Un--Subscribing the proper way, but the Rootsweb site keeps > telling me my nane is not on the mailing list! Thats funny, because I > have been getting all the list queries for quite a while now. > I'm about to retire, and this is my work email, so I hope they find me > before I go. > > Tim R. > ******** > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. >

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hello to the List, My gggg grandfather,Conrad Luther married Elizabeth Barth/Bard of Hempfield at the First Reformed Church,Lancaster,Pa, 10 Dec 1789.They had five children born in Lancaster county. He was transported to America by the British as a Hessian mercenary sometime between 1776 and 1778.It has been verified that he deserted the British/Hessian forces in New Jersey in 1778.On November 10,1782 he signed by mark the oath of Allegiance to the state of Pa. there are a # of things I am searching for. Elizabeth's parents.The church records don't seem to show any relatives.What about the marriage license?Would the church be the only ones that know?I did check,did not find. Where could I find more information on Conrad during his military career So,I hope someone can help guide me in the right direction. Any help would be appreicated thank you John Bauman York,Pa

I would like to thank those nice people who responded to my inquiry about Penryn Cemetery - their information was very helpful - Ahlive

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Stella GEISS which was taken at the Rote Studio in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's with little Stella less than one year old at the time. In addition to her name someone has also written "Niece to Mrs. W. J. Z." on the back of the photograph. I'm hoping to locate someone from this family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this GEISS Family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Got a map of northern Lancaster Co., PA? Pick out Lititz and Manheim. Make a triangle: At the left bottom corner, mark MANHEIM. On the lower corner on your right, mark it Lititz. Place Penryn at the point (corner) which would be Pointing NORTH. Newport Road goes right throw the middle of the village and the common cemetery , like the 2 Churches are on the N.. side of the road also just west of the "Square at the corner of Penryn road. As you may know, the village is in the northen part of Penn Township. D. Ernest Weinhold DEWeinhold@juno.com

Ahlive ~ Here are a couple links to check out: http://home.dejazzd.com/gleber/Penryn.htm This says it's on Newport Road, Penn Twp., Lancaster County. Looks like it's in or near the town of Penryn, northwest of Manheim. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/pa/county/lancas/usgs/ You could also email the township office if you can't find what you want on the other links: Penn Township Office, 97 North Penryn Road, Manheim, PA 17545 717-665-4508 Fax: 717-665-4105 Email: penntwsp@dejazzd.com Web: http://www.penn.co.lancaster.pa.us/ Hope this helps a little bit. Good luck! Wanda "A Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.raogk.org/"

From Churches and Cemeteries of Lancaster Co: Penryn Union Cemetery - North side of Newport Road, west of the Lutheran Church. [The "Lutheran Church" appears to be St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church. The given address for the church is "north side of Newport Road at Penryn]. ----- Original Message ----- From: <AhliveOyl@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Penryn Cemetery > > Would someone please give me the address of Penryn Cemetery in Lancaster > County - I went to a listing of cemeteries in Lancaster County and it was not > listed - is it under another name? Any help would be appreciated - thank you - > Ahlive > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy > >

Would someone please give me the address of Penryn Cemetery in Lancaster County - I went to a listing of cemeteries in Lancaster County and it was not listed - is it under another name? Any help would be appreciated - thank you - Ahlive

Looking for any information on my GG Grandfather and GG Grandmother William H. SMITH and Mary Ann Johnson SMITH, who resided at 116 North Sixth, Columbia, PA from the 1860's till the 1890's. There daughters Esther Ann (Hettie) Smith and Margaret (Maggie) Smith, dressmakers, continued to live at the same location until the 1920's. Other surname associated by marriage is SANGREY and WENDLER. Tom Wurth Lacey, WA

Pam: Thank you for the clarification. Dianna -----Original Message----- From: Pam Pearson <pampearson@patmedia.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:03:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject.

Patricia: Thank you for your reply. Your Catherine Brenner was the sister of my Michael Brenner. Dianna Seattle -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Wise <patricia_wise@hotmail.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:18:30 -0500 Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Correction 12-4-1794 died 8-7-1874 Buried Kraybill Mennonite Cemetery I don't have any direct hits, but of my ancestors that lived in that area during that timeframe these are some that may be related to yours: John Hoffman (b.c. 1775) m. Sarah Newcomer (b. aft. 1779) Catherine Hoffman (1772-1825) m. Christian Uhrich Catherine Brenner (c. 1784-Bef. 1832), child of Johann Philipp Brenner and Eva Maria Senghaas, m. John David Eichholtz (1786-1862) Good luck! Patty Wise >From: mtmodie@aol.com >Reply-To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of >Birth Correction 12-4-1794 died 8-7-1874 Buried Kraybill Mennonite >Cemetery >Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:15:39 -0500 > >To the List: >Does anyone have a connection with a Susanna Hoffman born 12-4-1794? I >recently posted a query with the wrong birthdate. > > >She married Michael Brenner and they lived in Mount Joy Township, Lancaster >PA. > > > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >No political statements to this list. >No religious statements. > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements.

A couple of clarifications: 1) The wife of Johann Philip Brenner was actually Eva Maria Singhaas. Cemetery records (Worner) give her name as Anna Maria, but I have visited her gravesite and the name on the stone is clearly Eva Maria. This is also consistent with her father's will and misc. church records. 2) Johann Philipp Brenner, father of Michael Brenner, was b. 2 Dec 1752 per his baptism record at Trinity Lutheran. His cemetery record is recorded as "born 11.1.1752", which should be considered suspect because of the age and deterioration of the stones. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: Looking for parents of Susanna Hoffman Date of Birth Corre... > Yvonne: > This is very confusing because there are so many Philip and Susanna Brenner's. My ggg grandfather Michael Brenner was the son of Johann Philip Brenner and Anna Maria Singhaas. My Michael had a sister Susanna, an aunt Susanna and he married a Susanna. > > Last week I received a copy of the gravestones for my ggg grandfather Michael Brenner and for his wife Susanna. Those were the dates that they showed on her grave. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > Dianna > Seattle > > > > >