Hi Joan, If you think Catharine Dietrich was born in Earl Township then the question becomes, how would she meet and marry someone that lived 40 or 50 miles away ? Does Samuel Smith show up on the tax lists for Earl Twp ? Did Catherine's father or one of her brothers move to York County ? Do you know when the Jacob Dietrich of Earl Twp. died ? Might he have mentioned his daughter by her married name in his will ? Where was Jacob living when he died ? These are the questions you can check into in order to build a case that it was his daughter that married Samuel Smith. Jim JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2006 5:46:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, james_l_stokes@yahoo.com writes: Hi Joan, Have you been able to confirm the information provided on the death certificate ? Have you found a marriage in church records ? Death certificates are usually pretty reliable but the information for it was probably provided by the son's widow and she could have been wrong. Whenever I run into a dead end where the source information isn't from a primary document, I try to confirm the information in some way, like checking for a marriage to confirm the last name. I saw a Catharine Dietz, age 19 living in the South Ward of York Borough, she was the daughter of Jacob. It would be pretty easy for someone to confuse Dietz and Dietrich, especially if it wasn't your relative and it may have been something you heard years before. Jim ---- The informant on the death certificate is James' son--so I'm guessing he'd know where his grandmother was born. You are correct that the identity and relationship of the imformant is very important. Her maiden name was definitely DIETERICH as it is also included in the baptismal record for her son, James, and she, herself, would have given that info. On the 1860 census she is age 30 and in 1870 she is age 42. I have not found a marriage record for Samuel SMITH and Catherine DIETERICH. On the 1850 census Samuel is 27 and single and by 1860 he is married to Catherine and their oldest child is age 8. So they must have married after the middle of 1860 and before 1862. I don't know if they married in Lancaster County or York. Do you have any information about a Catherina DIETRICK born 4 April 1829 in Earl Twp. Lancaster County? She is the daughter Jacob DIETRICK and wife Christina HOSTER (dau. of Wilhelm and Catherine HOSTER). This couple were married on 1 Aug. 1819 in Earl Twp. I sort of suspect this is my Catherine based on age and location of birth--but I'd like to find additional evidence that would definitely prove it or refute it. Joan ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Hi Sue, There were two churches in Providence Twp. that, at that time was part of Martic Twp., they were Old Dutch (Lutheran), began 1730, and Zion (Dutch Reformed), began 1740. Old Dutch later moved into Strasburg and became St. Michael's. I'm not sure what happened to Zion. The Lancaster County Historical Society had limited records from these churches. There was also Muddy Creek Presbyterian Church which operated from 1743 to 1909. I don't think there are any church records for this church. The Southern Lancaster County Historical Society may have more information on these churches on their web page, http://www.rootsweb.com/~paslchs/ Jim Does anyone on the list know what churches were in existence in Martic Twp., Lancaster Co., PA in the 1730's to the 1780's? Are there any church records or cemetery records available for this time frame? Sue12632@aol.com ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hi Joan, Have you been able to confirm the information provided on the death certificate ? Have you found a marriage in church records ? Death certificates are usually pretty reliable but the information for it was probably provided by the son's widow and she could have been wrong. Whenever I run into a dead end where the source information isn't from a primary document, I try to confirm the information in some way, like checking for a marriage to confirm the last name. I saw a Catharine Dietz, age 19 living in the South Ward of York Borough, she was the daughter of Jacob. It would be pretty easy for someone to confuse Dietz and Dietrich, especially if it wasn't your relative and it may have been something you heard years before. Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2006 10:00:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, james_l_stokes@yahoo.com writes: Below are the Dietrichs who appeared in Lancaster County Intestate Records, I don't have the full records. Intestate means they died without a will but there could be something in the Orphan's Court records. Dietrich George 1820 Dietrich Henry Jr. 1823 Dietrich Henry 1827 Dietrich Henry 1843 Dietrich Lorens 1815 Dietrich Philip 1816 Dietrich Philip 1827 Dietrich Philip 1836 Dietrich Tobias 1834 Jim Hi, Jim- While we are on the subject of the surname DIETERICH (of various spellings) I wonder if any records at your disposal give any hints as to the parents of my great-great-grandmother, Catherine DIETERICH. The only clue I have that Catherine was from Lancaster County is my great-grandfather James H. SMITH's death certificate from 1920 in which it says his mother is "Catherine DIETERICH born Lancaster County." This Catherine DIETERICH married Samuel SMITH of York County and their son James Henry SMITH was baptized at York Moravian Church in 1858. I'm not sure the family actually had any strong ties to the Moravian Church but that is where James was baptized. My Catherine (DIETERICH) SMITH was listed as being age 30 on the 1860 census thus making her birth year somewhere around 1830. Any ideas? Joan ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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In a message dated 4/3/2006 10:00:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, james_l_stokes@yahoo.com writes: Below are the Dietrichs who appeared in Lancaster County Intestate Records, I don't have the full records. Intestate means they died without a will but there could be something in the Orphan's Court records. Dietrich George 1820 Dietrich Henry Jr. 1823 Dietrich Henry 1827 Dietrich Henry 1843 Dietrich Lorens 1815 Dietrich Philip 1816 Dietrich Philip 1827 Dietrich Philip 1836 Dietrich Tobias 1834 Jim Hi, Jim- While we are on the subject of the surname DIETERICH (of various spellings) I wonder if any records at your disposal give any hints as to the parents of my great-great-grandmother, Catherine DIETERICH. The only clue I have that Catherine was from Lancaster County is my great-grandfather James H. SMITH's death certificate from 1920 in which it says his mother is "Catherine DIETERICH born Lancaster County." This Catherine DIETERICH married Samuel SMITH of York County and their son James Henry SMITH was baptized at York Moravian Church in 1858. I'm not sure the family actually had any strong ties to the Moravian Church but that is where James was baptized. My Catherine (DIETERICH) SMITH was listed as being age 30 on the 1860 census thus making her birth year somewhere around 1830. Any ideas? Joan

In a message dated 4/3/2006 10:05:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, LostMtRose@aol.com writes: Not all members of DAR can get into the e-membership site. That is for Regents, registrars and Treasurers only --- The original question posted to this list pertained to whether or not the VIS volunteers for DAR had access to info on CURRENT approved ancestors, not whether the VIS vols could check on the status of applications of current and former DAR members. And the answer remains that they do have that access. In addition there are some who work that board who also have access to the e-membership site and can a handle the issue you mention above regarding relatives who are or were DAR members. Joan

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Yes, that's true. I am a regent for my chapter. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: LostMtRose@aol.com [mailto:LostMtRose@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 9:04 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DAR LOOKUP INFO Not all members of DAR can get into the e-membership site. That is for Regents, registrars and Treasurers only ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message.

I logged in to e-membership on the members website. I really need to explore this site!! Thank you to all who opened my eyes! Kathy

Hi Susie, Since your ancestor was married in Ohio I would consider the possibility that his father died in Ohio and the easiest way to find him would be there. People often migrated with family members so he may have moved to Ohio with his father. Its also possible that his father died and he moved to Ohio with a brother but it will be difficult to find the father in Lancaster County if he died in Ohio so its probably best to start there. You can check the 1840 census for Ohio and see if there are other Dietricks, you can start with those who lived nearest your ancestor. You can also find where his wife grew up since people usually married someone who lived near them, transportation being what it was at that time. People moved at about 3 miles per hour (a leisurely walk or horse ride) so he probably grew up within three miles of her and probably attended the same church she did. I'd check the Ohio census for 1840 and see what counties both his and her surname show up. The Methodists existed in Lancaster County in 1809 but it was a very small sect, so he was probably something else. That isn't a great loss since Methodists in that period didn't keep church records anyway. You might check the 1810 Lancaster Federal census index to find Dietricks, that might help locate the family and suggest some possible religions. Below are the Dietrichs who appeared in Lancaster County Intestate Records, I don't have the full records. Intestate means they died without a will but there could be something in the Orphan's Court records. Dietrich George 1820 Dietrich Henry Jr. 1823 Dietrich Henry 1827 Dietrich Henry 1843 Dietrich Lorens 1815 Dietrich Philip 1816 Dietrich Philip 1827 Dietrich Philip 1836 Dietrich Tobias 1834 Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm "swank2002@core.com" <swank2002@core.com> wrote: I am looking for information regarding my gggrandfather Isaac Detrick, ( Deetrick,Dietrich,Etc.), all the information I have is from his death record from Miami county,Ohio. He died in 1873 and it states he was born in 1809 in Lancaster County,Pa. I am assuming the family was Methodist, since I found him buried in a Methodist Church cemetery. I know he was in Greene County,Ohio in 1836. He married Mary Ann Young in 1836 there. Their first son My ggrandfather was born in 1837 in Montgomery county,Ohio. the rest of his children's death records say they were born in Miami county,Ohio. His children are : Benjamin,George,John, Mary Margaret(Eliza),Amanda, Samuel, and Harriet,died very young. They were in Miami county census in 1860 and 1870, but can't find them before that time. Amanda marries an Abbott, can't find a marriage record,but in 1917 she was listed in her aunt Mary's will as being an Abbott and living in Pa. If anyone has any ideas,I'd appreciate the help. Thank you very much! Susie ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

On the DAR site there will be a word such as ancestor and it MAY even have a little red "new" next to it. If you hit that you should get a place where you can feed in the RW ancestor you are interested in and shortly will receive an answer as o whether he is listed or not. Nancy in Chicago ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com<mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DAR LOOKUP--REgistrar or Volunteer In a message dated 4/1/2006 4:31:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, DougB81042@aol.com<mailto:DougB81042@aol.com> writes: HELP! I have two contradictory replies. One indicates that the volunteer can tell if the lineage you want to tie to is still valid. The other replay says that only the Registrar has that information. Can someone help me with this dilemma? Doug Absolutely the VIS specialists who volunteer their services to check the CURRENT approved ancestors list for those who post lookup requests on our board have the up-to-date info. If you have an ancestor you wish to have a lookup for--feel free to post a query on the board--the URL for the board was in my previous post to this list today. Joan ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com>

Thanks to all whom given me ideas where to search in lancaster county. I REALLY Appreciate it!! Susie -------Original Message------- From: Ed & Nancy Hansen Date: 03/30/06 13:28:52 To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society Just because you might not have a Mennonite background don't discredit this place. It has a wonderful library. I found info on my husbands Quaker background and information on my Methodists. They people there are very friendly and helpful. Nancy (a transplant from CA to Lancaster Co PA) ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/287 - Release Date: 3/21/2006 .

I am looking for information regarding my gggrandfather Isaac Detrick, ( Deetrick,Dietrich,Etc.), all the information I have is from his death record from Miami county,Ohio. He died in 1873 and it states he was born in 1809 in Lancaster County,Pa. I am assuming the family was Methodist, since I found him buried in a Methodist Church cemetery. I know he was in Greene County,Ohio in 1836. He married Mary Ann Young in 1836 there. Their first son My ggrandfather was born in 1837 in Montgomery county,Ohio. the rest of his children's death records say they were born in Miami county,Ohio. His children are : Benjamin,George,John, Mary Margaret(Eliza),Amanda, Samuel, and Harriet,died very young. They were in Miami county census in 1860 and 1870, but can't find them before that time. Amanda marries an Abbott, can't find a marriage record,but in 1917 she was listed in her aunt Mary's will as being an Abbott and living in Pa. If anyone has any ideas,I'd appreciate the help. Thank you very much! Susie

Thought a few names sounded familiar though none are mine. Hope this helps someone. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [NEBRRoots] Elias Lighthill of Litchfield, Nebraska ~ son of deceased Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:43:22 -0700 Resent-From: NEBRRoots-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 02:43:49 EST From: Alohawahine75@aol.com To: NEBRRoots-L@rootsweb.com Leon Reporter, Leon, Iowa (Decatur County, Iowa) Thursday, May l7, l923 CAROLINE METZGER was born in Philadelphia, Pa., Sept. 5, l833. Shortly afterwards, she moved to Pittsburg, Pa., where she lived until about l858, when she came to Iowa. She came by steamboat down the Ohio River and up the Mississippi River to Keokuk, Iowa, thence by ox team and covered wagon to Decatur County, where she experienced the many hardships and privations suffered by the early pioneers. She was married in l853 to HENRY LIGHTHILL, to which union six children were born, four of whom survive her: THOMAS LIGHTHILL, Arapahoe, Oklahoma; ELIAS LIGHTHILL, Litchfield, Nebraska; and J.H. LIGHTHILL and MARY ANN LIGHTHILL, Kellerton, Iowa. She was married the second time to JOHN BIDDLE in l869, to which union three children were born, one of whom survives her, A.J. BIDDLE, of St. Louis, Mo. She is survived by thirteen grandchildren and nine great grandchildren. She died May l2, l923, at the ripe old age of 89 years, 8 months and 7 days. During her early life, she was a member of the United Brethren Church, later in life she joined the Methodist Church of which she remained a member until her death. Her religion was of the practical kind -- one of helpful acts and deeds rather than words. She bore her last illness with great fortitude and patience and her faith in the future was bright to the end. Her lovable character and kind and gentle ways made her a host of friends who will greatly miss her. Copied by Nancee(McMurtrey)Seifert "With permission from the Leon Journal Reporter" July 3l, 2002 http://www.rootsweb.com/~iadecatu posted at this site with Nancee's permission. ==== NEBRRoots Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe NEBRRoots-L <"mailto:NEBRRoots-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe"> To Unsubscribe NEBRRoots-D (digest) <"mailto:NEBRRoots-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe"> Subscribe to Nebraska Trivia & History: <"mailto:NEBRHeritage-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe">

Herman- Regarding your message copied below ... I am not sure this list is the place for such a discussion and I wouldn't want to begin an off-topic debate with you on the list, but you have made public accusations about Ancestry that are simply not true and that needs to be corrected. Ancestry doesn't "take" your data--if you post a family tree or have a website at RootsWeb--that web site and data belong to you and you can delete, edit, and add to it any time you like. You own and control your data. If your information is public domain info then it doesn't belong to you or anyone else. Facts can't be owned by anyone. If you would care to explain to me privately what information you THINK Ancestry has taken of yours and what you "can't get at"--I'd be happy to set you straight and explain what is really going on and help you get at it. Joan ------ In a message dated 4/1/2006 5:27:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, heandshe@cybertrails.com writes: Warning,, Just so the web sight does NOT sell the Info to Ancesterty.com- I dont post my info anymore because a lot of my info goes to Ancestery and I cant even get it.. Herman Original Message ----- From: "Holley" <Holley@pa.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] T & M books on line? > That is what I am offering- a website at Rootsweb where I will post the > info IF there are others who'll transcribe the books. If you have > something specific, please contact me directly by clicking on my name at > the top of this message where it says "from" > > Holley >

In a message dated 4/1/2006 4:31:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, DougB81042@aol.com writes: HELP! I have two contradictory replies. One indicates that the volunteer can tell if the lineage you want to tie to is still valid. The other replay says that only the Registrar has that information. Can someone help me with this dilemma? Doug Absolutely the VIS specialists who volunteer their services to check the CURRENT approved ancestors list for those who post lookup requests on our board have the up-to-date info. If you have an ancestor you wish to have a lookup for--feel free to post a query on the board--the URL for the board was in my previous post to this list today. Joan

Ernest, I have a FRY family I am researching that lived on Owl Hill Road that maybe you can help me with. The family is Reuben Meck FRY (b. 21 June 1861 in Lancaster County and d. 16 November 1940 in Penn Township, Lancaster County) he married Emma Creiner LANDIS about 1887. Their daughter Ellen was my wife's great grandmother. I need help with Reuben's parents. The information that I have is that Reuben's parents were Michael FRY and Sarah MECK and based on census information it appears that they had the following children: Sarah, Samuel Meck, Reuben Meck, Elizabeth, William and Priscilla. Rev. Strine's marriage records indicate that he married a Michael FREY and Sarah MECK, both of Penn Township, on 4 August 1857. A Michael and Sarah Fry are buried at Penryn Union Cemetery, Lancaster County and may be the same people but I am not sure. Any assistance you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks. Roland -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Weinhold [mailto:deweinhold@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 11:57 AM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Kissell Hill* Thank you, Mary, When I "saw" Kissell Hill, (Warwick township) I right always thought of the surname FREY/FRY which I have been researching in the northern part of Lancaster County, PA, especially of the earliest Penna. German,,s who settled in said area. I am sorry I am unable to assist you in your research. D. Ernest Weinhold * DEWeinhold@juno.com

HELP! I have two contradictory replies. One indicates that the volunteer can tell if the lineage you want to tie to is still valid. The other replay says that only the Registrar has that information. Can someone help me with this dilemma? Doug

Warning,, Just so the web sight does NOT sell the Info to Ancesterty.com- I dont post my info anymore because a lot of my info goes to Ancestery and I cant even get it.. Herman Original Message ----- From: "Holley" <Holley@pa.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] T & M books on line? > That is what I am offering- a website at Rootsweb where I will post the > info IF there are others who'll transcribe the books. If you have > something specific, please contact me directly by clicking on my name at > the top of this message where it says "from" > > Holley > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > >

That is what I am offering- a website at Rootsweb where I will post the info IF there are others who'll transcribe the books. If you have something specific, please contact me directly by clicking on my name at the top of this message where it says "from" Holley