I am looking for the identity of Christian G. Groff (1856 - 1926)'s wife Fianna. They are parents of Samuel, Fanny and John, and lived in Lancaster county. Does anybody have any idea what her maiden name was? She was born in 1855 and died in 1941. Karen

There were three categories of Americans during the American Revolution. The patriots favored separation from Britain. The non-associators were, loosely speakimg disinterested, or were what we call conscientious objectors today. These included the various plain sects in Pennsylvania whose religious beliefs contravened war. There were large numbers of these in Pennsylvania. Several of my ancestors were non-associators. They were disinterested; as long as their religious devotions were not disturbed, they cared little under whose dominion they lived. Some had physical ailments which precluded military service. Those past the age of 53 were exempt from military service. All were subject to fines; the standard rate being three pounds, ten shillings. The loyalists were those who remained loyal to Britain. Many of the PA-Dutch, grateful to Queen Anne for having given them a new life in America, were in this group. Reprisals against loyalists were severe, including tar and feathers and confiscation of property. Persecution, retribution, call it what you will, caused many loyalists to flee to Canada and other parts of the British Empire. I used to run into several of their descendants who wintered in Florida. I asked the first one I met for directions. His reply prompted me to say, "Why, you're a Pennsylvania Dutchman!". He replied, "Yes, I'm a Pennsylvania Dutchman; but I'm from Canada. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ---- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Edwards" <beedward@centurytel.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:19 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] Livingston > Howdy!! > > I have been fortunate to obtain a great deal of assistance from distant > cousins, other researchers for which I am grateful!!! > I would like to know if there are any researchers who have info about > Andrew Livingston, father of David, husband of Elizabeth Groff. I have no > birth date for him, nor marriage date, nor place of origin. The initial > place he seems to have been located is Lancaster PA. > > The other question I have is about the lists which were signed at the time > of sucession and revolution. I understand that there was an oath of > allegiance list, was there also any listing of objectors, or other who did > not participate in the Revolutionary War?? The info I have seen was that > David served in lieu of his Father. I would be most grateful for any help > along these lines. > > Feel free to contact me directly also. > Betty Edwards > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the > subject.

Howdy!! I have been fortunate to obtain a great deal of assistance from distant cousins, other researchers for which I am grateful!!! I would like to know if there are any researchers who have info about Andrew Livingston, father of David, husband of Elizabeth Groff. I have no birth date for him, nor marriage date, nor place of origin. The initial place he seems to have been located is Lancaster PA. The other question I have is about the lists which were signed at the time of sucession and revolution. I understand that there was an oath of allegiance list, was there also any listing of objectors, or other who did not participate in the Revolutionary War?? The info I have seen was that David served in lieu of his Father. I would be most grateful for any help along these lines. Feel free to contact me directly also. Betty Edwards

Try finding the will and/or deeds etc other documents for their son John H........ Always look at middle names of children as clues. Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] re: Brenner's of Lancaster, PA > I have hit a brick wall trying to find out with certainty the maiden name of my ggg grandmother. > > My gg grandfather John H. Brenner( 8-5-1821-2-3-1891)is the son of Michael Brenner(7-30-1782-11-19-1840) and Susanna (?)12-4-1794-8-7-1874). I believe the H. middle name is probably his mother's maiden name. > > The Lancaster Historical Society sent me some information with a question mark next to the name of Hoffman as possibly being Susanna's maiden name but they said they had nothing to back it up. I can find no records for a Susanna Hoffman born on the above date. > > The Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society had nothing listed for either Michael or Susanna Brenner. The will and probate records for Michael just listed his wife as Susanna, his son John H., daughter Elizabeth married to Benjamin Engle Musser. > > Since all these Brenner's ere born before birth records and died before death records, there are no marriage records and Michael's will only refers to his wife as Susanna does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I might try looking. > > Thank you for any and all suggestions. > > Dianna > Seattle, WA > > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. >

These are the things I know about her: Barbara was born 22 Jul 1818, W. Donegal twp, Lancaster Pennsylvania, died 10 May 1900 in E. Donegal twp, Lancaster co, PA, buried in Good's Mennonite Cemetery in Lancaster co. She was married to Jacob Sides son of George & Susanna Eckman Sides (spelled Seitz in the really early records). Her death records states she died of apoplexy. She was the mother of Samuel b. Nov 1841, John b 7 Jan 1844, Lydia S. b 22 Aug 1844, Elizabeth 1845, Sarah b 7 Oct 1847, Mary b. Jan 1850, and Benjamin b. 1860. (And yes, I know the second & third children were born awfully close together, but those are the dates that keep popping up for them. I am descended from John.) I was told that Barbara may have been a Shenk. Does anybody know anything about her and her birth family? Would also be interested in sharing more information on any of the kids. Karen

If you have ancestry.com, or a library that has the Virgil White pension file indexes, you might try looking for these men as soldiers. If either one was pensioned, the pension files would have a lot of information about them. You could check for John in the Civil War, since they drafted men up into their 40's. John may have also served in the Mexican War. You might find Michael in the War of 1812, if the family wasn't one of the dissenting religions that didn't go to war. Even then, you might find them in a war if the family needed the paycheck and/or couldn't pay the fine for not serving. Good luck in your search. Peggy Reeves ----- Original Message ----- From: <mtmodie@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: re: Brenner's of Lancaster, PA >I have hit a brick wall trying to find out with certainty the maiden name >of my ggg grandmother. > > My gg grandfather John H. Brenner( 8-5-1821-2-3-1891)is the son of Michael > Brenner(7-30-1782-11-19-1840) and Susanna (?)12-4-1794-8-7-1874). I > believe the H. middle name is probably his mother's maiden name. > > The Lancaster Historical Society sent me some information with a question > mark next to the name of Hoffman as possibly being Susanna's maiden name > but they said they had nothing to back it up. I can find no records for a > Susanna Hoffman born on the above date. > > The Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society had nothing listed for either > Michael or Susanna Brenner. The will and probate records for Michael just > listed his wife as Susanna, his son John H., daughter Elizabeth married to > Benjamin Engle Musser. > > Since all these Brenner's ere born before birth records and died before > death records, there are no marriage records and Michael's will only > refers to his wife as Susanna does anyone have any suggestions as to where > else I might try looking. > > Thank you for any and all suggestions. > > Dianna > Seattle, WA > > > > > > ______________________________

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I have hit a brick wall trying to find out with certainty the maiden name of my ggg grandmother. My gg grandfather John H. Brenner( 8-5-1821-2-3-1891)is the son of Michael Brenner(7-30-1782-11-19-1840) and Susanna (?)12-4-1794-8-7-1874). I believe the H. middle name is probably his mother's maiden name. The Lancaster Historical Society sent me some information with a question mark next to the name of Hoffman as possibly being Susanna's maiden name but they said they had nothing to back it up. I can find no records for a Susanna Hoffman born on the above date. The Lancaster Mennonite Historical Society had nothing listed for either Michael or Susanna Brenner. The will and probate records for Michael just listed his wife as Susanna, his son John H., daughter Elizabeth married to Benjamin Engle Musser. Since all these Brenner's ere born before birth records and died before death records, there are no marriage records and Michael's will only refers to his wife as Susanna does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I might try looking. Thank you for any and all suggestions. Dianna Seattle, WA

Hi, Jim! Congratulations on your retirement!!! Lucky you!!!!! I'm curious about the FERGUSON family. There was one living near my SCOTT family (and other relateds, like GRAY and probably some others that I can't think of at the moment). Do you have any ties to those families? I think it may have been Robert FERGUSON, but let me check quickly....Well, so far I see Samuels and Williams in Belmont County. Unfortunately, don't have time to check my notes further. But I would be most eager to learn if you have any SCOTT/GRAY connections, or other family ties to those who settled in Colerain twp., Belmont County, Ohio. Lorraine in Virginia lorraineq@juno.com On Mon, 8 May 2006 22:05:23 EDT WolfordMigration@aol.com writes: > Perhaps a year ago someone wrote to me about the Ferguson family. My > > grgrandfather was Sam Ferguson, son of John and Mary Ferguson. He > had brothers > Abraham and John. I am retired now and have a chance to do more > genealogy. I will > be in the Lancaster area next week and want to do some more > research. > > Jim in Vermont > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the > subject. > > >

Perhaps a year ago someone wrote to me about the Ferguson family. My grgrandfather was Sam Ferguson, son of John and Mary Ferguson. He had brothers Abraham and John. I am retired now and have a chance to do more genealogy. I will be in the Lancaster area next week and want to do some more research. Jim in Vermont

I am still having a difficult time finding anything on my William Ferguson of Lancaster Co,. The Morton Montgomery book refers to him as a surveyor and teacher. He immigrated (I assume) about 1800. He married in NJ in 1803. He was dead by 1850 Is it possible that there are Tax records for a William Ferguson in this area. I think that he may be related to the Coltrain Fergusons if only because Williams son John Ferguson lives next door to them.

I had ancestors who taught school in a one room schoolhouse named Mt. Holly. It was in Eden Twp., Lancaster Co. Hope this helps in some small way. Yvonne

Many thanks to all for your responses to my query. If Leacock is listed with the transcribed records, then evidently Hugh McLaughlin was not included. Here is one item from the PA Gazette that I was referring to: ITEM #28177 February 25, 1762 The Pennsylvania Gazette FORTY SHILLINGS Reward. RUN away, the 10th of this inst. February, from the Subscriber, living in Leacock, Lancaster County, an Irish Servant Man, named Hugh McLaughlin; he says he is 40 Years of Age, about 5 Feet 6 Inches high, a thick set Fellow, with grey Eyes, of a down look, short shorn grey Hair, and a large grey Beard; a very great and profane Talker; a Lover of Spirits, and a great Beggar and Chewer of Tobacco: Had on, when he went away, an old Felt Hat, red and white Worsted Cap, blue Cloth Jacket, striped Linsey Waistcoat, Tow Shirt, Leather Breeches, blue ribbed Stockings, and a Pair of remarkable old Shoes, with Buckles; one of the Shoes having near 50 Nails in the Soal of it, and the Buckles not Fellows. It is thought he is gone to some of the Furnaces to cut Wood, as he took an Ax with him. Whoever takes up and secures said Servant in any Goal, so that his Master may have him again, shall receive the above Reward, and reasonable Charges, paid by JOHN GIBBONS, N. B. All manner of Persons, Masters of Vessels, or others, are forbid carrying off, harbouring or concealing him, as they will answer the same at their Peril. Evidently this Hugh was quite the rascal and no doubt would have done his best to evade taxation if he was required to pay! I am trying to determine if he is the same Hugh McLaughlin who appears in Cumberland Co. in 1770. If anyone knows of other sources besides the tax records that might have information about him, I would be most appreciative. Tom

The Lancaster County Historical Society has the following tax records on microfilm for Leacock Twp: 1757-1759, 1770, 1775-1783, 1785-1793, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ridenour" <restorer@fidnet.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Tax Records > Greetings, > > Are there any tax records available for Leacock Twp. for the period 1750-1770? I could not find any for Leacock in the LDS holdings, but other townships were listed. I am searching for a Hugh McLaughlin/McGlaughlin who resided there during that time. > > The McLaughlins were my wife's ancestors, but I also have Lancaster roots, being descended from the Stauffers, Sherricks, Mussers, Nissleys, and others. > > Thank you, > > Tom > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. >

This might be nothing but Mt Holly, Vermont is in Rutland Co., Vt & my ancestor came from there to Pennsylvania & maybe there was an error in where yours came from???

There are probably tax lists for Leacock and other Lancaster County townships in the printed Pa. Archives, 3rd Series, it has a tax list for all of Pa.for the years 1771-1773-1779 and 1782. Most Pa. libraries have this series but if you live outside the state check a local university library, they often have these as part of their history collection. One advantage is you can usually check your local university library by logging on their web page and checking their on-line catalog. Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacahs/index.htm Thomas Ridenour <restorer@fidnet.com> wrote: Greetings, Are there any tax records available for Leacock Twp. for the period 1750-1770? I could not find any for Leacock in the LDS holdings, but other townships were listed. I am searching for a Hugh McLaughlin/McGlaughlin who resided there during that time. The McLaughlins were my wife's ancestors, but I also have Lancaster roots, being descended from the Stauffers, Sherricks, Mussers, Nissleys, and others. Thank you, Tom ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements. --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Yes, Tom, the book(s) do contain Leacock in the tax records and maybe (but I do not know)] ] they would not include servants...It is only TAXABLES that are included . Joe Wolfe

Joe, Thanks very much for checking on that for me! Does that book include Leacock? I found three items in the PA Gazette that refer to a servant named Hugh McLaughlin of Leacock during the time frame 1749-1774. Or perhaps servants would not be included in the listings? Thanks again, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph E Wolfe" <joeedwolfe@juno.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Tax Records > Tom: No McLaughlins etc in the 1750 tax inces ed. by Gary T. Hawbaker and > Clyde L groff but here \are some others in different areas > > McGlacklon James Dromore 1751 McLaughlin in 1756 > McLaghlon, Alexander Martic 1751 Maglahan in 1754 > McLaughlan, Jas Mouintjoy 1759 F(reeman) > McLaughlin, George Dromore 1756 In 1759 " a taILOR AT jAMES > mCLaughlin > > 1770 index > McGlaughlen, John 1769 Donegal > McGlaughlen, Patrick 1772 Caernarvon (McGlaughen? > > McLaughlin, James 1770 Dromore Freman 69...there are two in 1769 > McLaughlin,, William 1770 Dromore Freeman > > > > in 1780 index > > McGlaghlin,Barnet Londonderry 1780 > McLaughlin, George Dromore 1779 freeman > McLaughlin, George Martic 17i80 Taxable > McLaughlin,James 1779 Dromore > McLaughlin, Wm. 1779 Dromore Freeman > > that is about all ....... > > Joe Wolfe > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy >

Tom: No McLaughlins etc in the 1750 tax inces ed. by Gary T. Hawbaker and Clyde L groff but here \are some others in different areas McGlacklon James Dromore 1751 McLaughlin in 1756 McLaghlon, Alexander Martic 1751 Maglahan in 1754 McLaughlan, Jas Mouintjoy 1759 F(reeman) McLaughlin, George Dromore 1756 In 1759 " a taILOR AT jAMES mCLaughlin 1770 index McGlaughlen, John 1769 Donegal McGlaughlen, Patrick 1772 Caernarvon (McGlaughen? McLaughlin, James 1770 Dromore Freman 69...there are two in 1769 McLaughlin,, William 1770 Dromore Freeman in 1780 index McGlaghlin,Barnet Londonderry 1780 McLaughlin, George Dromore 1779 freeman McLaughlin, George Martic 17i80 Taxable McLaughlin,James 1779 Dromore McLaughlin, Wm. 1779 Dromore Freeman that is about all ....... Joe Wolfe

Greetings, Are there any tax records available for Leacock Twp. for the period 1750-1770? I could not find any for Leacock in the LDS holdings, but other townships were listed. I am searching for a Hugh McLaughlin/McGlaughlin who resided there during that time. The McLaughlins were my wife's ancestors, but I also have Lancaster roots, being descended from the Stauffers, Sherricks, Mussers, Nissleys, and others. Thank you, Tom