Sorry Fred, there were no Hagan's. There was a Hagman. Jan

Sorry Maureen. There were no Mc nor Mac in this book. I checked the Pike and Peak thinking maybe the Mc was left off, but there were non of those either. Jan

Sorry Maureen, there were none in my book. In fact there were non that had the Mc nor Mac. I thought that was strange. Jan

This must be a Macintosh computer file. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Orlo Colwell [mailto:ocol315@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:13 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PALANCAS] Oath to King George Here is the address for the oath to George, signed by my GGGGrandfather (maternal) in 1763 file:///Applications%20(Mac%20OS%209)/Applications%20(Mac%20OS%209)%20(from% 20old%20Mac)/Genealogy%20ƒ/%20Surnames/AULTZ/oathsfidelitytrans.asp.html Dutch Colwell ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== List Owner can be reached for help with the list at PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com

there is a Jacob Stuaffwer who signed the oath Feb 5 1778 list L377T4 another Jacob Stuaffer signed in November don't know the date byt probably 1778 L402B(2) If he were still alive at that time one of them could be your guy. Joe Wolfe

Sorry, my grandfathers name was Johann Michael Altz. Dutch

Here is the address for the oath to George, signed by my GGGGrandfather (maternal) in 1763 file:///Applications%20(Mac%20OS%209)/Applications%20(Mac%20OS%209)%20(from%20old%20Mac)/Genealogy%20ƒ/%20Surnames/AULTZ/oathsfidelitytrans.asp.html Dutch Colwell

ONE More? Mr. Ben Franklin became alarmed since so MANY Germany,s were arriving in the state of Penna. that he had said that he was afraid the state would become German. I do believe it was his idea to have Those males either sign on the 'dotted line THREE times or ( or an X) else entered as the German name "sounded" to the English clerk. Hence off time,s, one will find the immigrant,s name not only spelled incorrectly once, but by all Three Clerk,s as it happened to my Nicholas Weinhold, and thus entered into THE record as such, back in 1738, in the Port of Phila., PA. Ernest

some one sent in a tax list and one of those were fines for the war, as of moment lost my bkmarks so cannot bring up, but if remember right seems all did not pay the same, hope I am right on this. Stephennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Bowers" <bebowers@hotmail.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > There were two kinds of oaths of allegiance in early Pennsylvania > history. One was for immigrants and it was generally administered when > they got off the boat in Philadelphia. > However, it seems likely that this was the oath of allegiance > administered by the revolutionary government of Pennsylvania. The date > and the fact that it was administered in Lancaster County is the key here. > Each man older than 18 was supposed to take the oath - or pay a fine. I > seem to recall that there was an upper age limit but don't remember what > it was. Even if there wasn't an upper limit, I know that many older men > were allowed to pass on taking the oath in practice. > In Lancaster County, most of these oaths ares buried inside the deed > books. > Concerning the question of who took the oath: I would lean toward the > younger man in this case - primarily because of the age. However, I doubt > you can ever be absolutely certain. > Brian > > > From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> > Reply-To: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> > To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:14 -0400 > > The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen > and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The > father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of > Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). > I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, > in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing > his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the > emigrant's own hand writing. > Fred Hagan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM > Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > > >>I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of >>them signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would >>like to be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. >> >>The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 >>in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 >>and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were >>living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? >> >> >>==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >>This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. >> >> > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode > then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or > PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message.

In a message dated 5/31/2006 3:29:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, pampearson@patmedia.net writes: <<1769 he was also naturalized as a citizen of Great Britain. (Not sure why he neede to do both, but he did.)>> He would have done this in order to own land, vote, or hold political office. <<The 1777 Oath of Allegiance I'm referring to was to the State of Pennsylvania and was published in the PA Archives, Series 2, Vol. XIII. My limited understanding is that these oaths were expressions of allegiance to the cause of the American Revolution. Individuals making these oaths are also documented in "Revolutionary Patriots of Lancaster Couinty, PA, 1775-1783", by Henry C. Peden, Jr., publ. 2002 by Willow Bend Books.>> Yes--your interpretation of the above oath is correct and I'm glad you found alternate sources other than the book I referenced. Joan

Thank you for the information regarding the books and will try to find them. I appreciate your help

I have the book----- Names of Foreigners Who Took the Oath Of Allegiance to the Province and State of Pennsylvania 1727-1775, with the Foreign Arrivals, 1788-1808. Edited by William Henry Egle, M.D. Page 4 states in part---All males over sixteen years of age were obliged to take this oath and declaration, as soon after their arrival as possible---being marched to the Court House, although in a number of instances they were qualified at the offical residence of the magistrate. Jan in FL.

I don't want to create more confusion, but ... My immigrant ancestor arrived from Germany in 1749 and took an oath of allegiance to Great Britain when he arrived in Philadelphia. In 1769 he was also naturalized as a citizen of Great Britain. (Not sure why he neede to do both, but he did.) The 1777 Oath of Allegiance I'm referring to was to the State of Pennsylvania and was published in the PA Archives, Series 2, Vol. XIII. My limited understanding is that these oaths were expressions of allegiance to the cause of the American Revolution. Individuals making these oaths are also documented in "Revolutionary Patriots of Lancaster Couinty, PA, 1775-1783", by Henry C. Peden, Jr., publ. 2002 by Willow Bend Books. I am enjoying the discussion. Thanks to all. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > > In a message dated 5/31/2006 2:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mstauf@comcast.net writes: > > Where do you find Oath of Allegiance documents for Lancaster Co PA? > Thank you and appreciate any comments. > > > > There seems to be some misconception on this subject. In 1777 there would > be no American citizenship--only non-English citizens not born here becoming > Naturalized *British* citizens for the purpose of voting, holding public > office, and/or owning land. PA state archives has a list of all aliens naturalized > in PA between 1740 and 1773 by PA courts. There are also several books that > include this information. > > There is a book (which I do not have) entitled The Names of Persons Who Took > the Oath of Allegiance to the State of Pennsylvania Between 1777 and 1789 > which was originally published in 1865 and which was reprinted by Genealogical > Publishing Company in 1965. > > Fred Hagan wrote: "The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., > had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. > Interestingly, it was in the > emigrant's own hand writing. > Fred Hagan" > > The above would not have been true in 1777 when there was no American > citizenship as yet. > > Joan > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com > >

Joan, Thank you

In a message dated 5/31/2006 2:59:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: The above would not have been true in 1777 when there was no American citizenship as yet. Joan I should add that any oath could and would have been to the Colony (and later Commonwealth) of Pennsylvania--and would be included in the book mentioned in my previous reply if you can find it. Joan

Thank you Joe, Jacob Staufffer arrived in Philadelphia 1732 and apparently lived and died in Lancaster County. Therefore, I should be able to find something regarding his Oath of Allegiance in Lancaster County in the deed books, right?

In a message dated 5/31/2006 2:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, mstauf@comcast.net writes: Where do you find Oath of Allegiance documents for Lancaster Co PA? Thank you and appreciate any comments. There seems to be some misconception on this subject. In 1777 there would be no American citizenship--only non-English citizens not born here becoming Naturalized *British* citizens for the purpose of voting, holding public office, and/or owning land. PA state archives has a list of all aliens naturalized in PA between 1740 and 1773 by PA courts. There are also several books that include this information. There is a book (which I do not have) entitled The Names of Persons Who Took the Oath of Allegiance to the State of Pennsylvania Between 1777 and 1789 which was originally published in 1865 and which was reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Company in 1965. Fred Hagan wrote: "The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's own hand writing. Fred Hagan" The above would not have been true in 1777 when there was no American citizenship as yet. Joan

Where do you find Oath of Allegiance documents for Lancaster Co PA? Thank you and appreciate any comments.

Thank you so much for the quick response. I really appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen > and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The > father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of > Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I > came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in > order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his > allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's > own hand writing. > Fred Hagan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM > Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > > > >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them > >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to > >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > > > > The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 > > in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 > > and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were > > living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > >

The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's own hand writing. Fred Hagan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > > The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 > in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 > and unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were > living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > >