Thanks for checking. I really appreciate it. -- Maureen

According to the Lancaster Co., PA Deed Abstracts 1729-c1770 & Oaths of Allegiance, by R. Thomas Mayhill, were the following, Oath of Allegiance signed before John Elder, 28 January 1778 was one John HAGEN Oath of Allegiance signed before Jacob Cook, 12 August 1778 was one John HAGON There were no McPikes or McPeaks. You must be careful when using "Revolutionary Patriots of Lancaster County, 1775-1783," by Henry C. Peden. It's doesn't have all the patriots that signed the Oath. Alice

In a message dated 6/1/2006 9:19:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, DougB81042@aol.com writes: Good Morning All Where do you think the oath of allegiance would have been administered to a germanic family arriving in Deleware and apparently heading straight to PA in about 1730? Doug Doug- It probably would depend on what port they arrived at--the oath was taken by those arriving in Philadelphia between 1727 and when arrivals were halted during the war. Joan

Jan: You will probably be unindated with requests for lookups. I am going to see if either of the libraries to which I have access have this book. (I just returned from Salt Lake - wish I'd had the title then...) and if I cannot find it may contact you again later. I live in a rural area, small library, and the nrearest FHC is 80 mi. and has no books on site. Thanks for the info!! Lynn in CO ----- Original Message ----- From: <PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PALANCAS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: *****SPAM***** PALANCAS-D Digest V06 #114

Good Morning All Where do you think the oath of allegiance would have been administered to a germanic family arriving in Deleware and apparently heading straight to PA in about 1730? Doug

Sorry again, that was a Mac file. It can be found here. http://www.docheritage.state.pa.us/documents/oathsfidelity.asp My ggggrandfather Johann Michael Altz, (maternal) arrived on the ship Chance, Nov 1, 1763 from Bavaria. He farmed in Lancaster County. Dutch Colwell

the only two Jacobs who signed the oath that I could find. Joe Wolfe

Good morning Jan. I was wondering if I could impose on you to check for the surname of HERR in your book? Your response would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Dave Herr -----Original Message----- From: DAMIKATIE@cs.com [mailto:DAMIKATIE@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:28 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance I have the book----- Names of Foreigners Who Took the Oath Of Allegiance to the Province and State of Pennsylvania 1727-1775, with the Foreign Arrivals, 1788-1808. Edited by William Henry Egle, M.D. Page 4 states in part---All males over sixteen years of age were obliged to take this oath and declaration, as soon after their arrival as possible---being marched to the Court House, although in a number of instances they were qualified at the offical residence of the magistrate. Jan in FL. ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the subject.

Thank you. Fred -- Original Message ----- From: <DAMIKATIE@cs.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Hagan > Sorry Fred, there were no Hagan's. There was a Hagman. > Jan > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > >

Searching for a John Smith and his wife Margaret {unknown} in Lancaster County before 1753. Also his brother William Smith and wife Elizabeth {unknown}, probably also of Lancaster County. The marriages of John and Margaret Smith may have been btw 1740 and 1750, the same for William and Elizabeth. Both families have children named George and Eleanor/Elinor Smith. John and Margaret, William and Elizabeth were living in northern York County, near the Cumberland County border in 1753. There are some males named Hugh Smith living in southern Cumberland County who may be related. Would it be difficult to find marriage records of John and Margaret, William and Elizabeth? Also locations for both brothers or either? Thank You for any links or places to search that may help me solve this problem of marriages, location and other family members.. Judy Smith/Colorado -- "Imagine" - John Lennon

Thank you for being so nice on the lookups for the Oath of Allegiance in lasncaster Co. Please see if you can find a LENHART or similar spelling. I appreciate your time. Nan

In a message dated 6/1/2006 12:53:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, richardpence@pipeline.com writes: I believe I have read that the early oaths of allegiance - those administered to ship arrivals at Philadelphia - are in the Pennsylvania Archives. Besides the book(s) mentioned in this thread, I believe the names of some of those who took the oath are in the series of publications produced by the PA archives. It has been so many years since I checked these that I am just not sure of the facts. However, the "ship passenger lists" of Germans to Philadelphia are for the most part not passenger lists but lists of those above age 16 who were marched to the court house and administered the oath of allegiance to King George. I have been told - but have not verified this - that the PA Archives, in addition to the lists of those who took the oath also has some lists of ship passengers - and these would include the women and children that are missing from the oath lists. Richard Pence --- The most complete list of the Germanic passenger arrivals into Philadelphia between 1727 and 1808 complete with signatures for the male passengers ages 16 and over for many of the ships can be found in Pennsylvania German Pioneers by Strassburger and Hinke (3 volumes). The introduction to volume one includes the text of the oaths the male passengers took. Most ship lists include only the males 16 and over but, depending upon the ship captains and what they recorded, some lists include all passengers--including women and children. Joan

I believe I have read that the early oaths of allegiance - those administered to ship arrivals at Philadelphia - are in the Pennsylvania Archives. Besides the book(s) mentioned in this thread, I believe the names of some of those who took the oath are in the series of publications produced by the PA archives. It has been so many years since I checked these that I am just not sure of the facts. However, the "ship passenger lists" of Germans to Philadelphia are for the most part not passenger lists but lists of those above age 16 who were marched to the court house and administered the oath of allegiance to King George. I have been told - but have not verified this - that the PA Archives, in addition to the lists of those who took the oath also has some lists of ship passengers - and these would include the women and children that are missing from the oath lists. Richard Pence ----- Original Message ----- From: "mstauf" <mstauf@comcast.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: RE: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance > Thank you Joe, > Jacob Staufffer arrived in Philadelphia 1732 and apparently lived and > died > in Lancaster County. Therefore, I should be able to find something > regarding his Oath of Allegiance in Lancaster County in the deed > books, > right? > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > When replying to the list change the subject line if you change the > subject. >

Jacob Stauffer died 1775 according to my husband's records. That was close and certainly appreciate the information. Whew! How many Jacob's were there anyway??? Thank you

There were two kinds of oaths of allegiance in early Pennsylvania history. One was for immigrants and it was generally administered when they got off the boat in Philadelphia. However, it seems likely that this was the oath of allegiance administered by the revolutionary government of Pennsylvania. The date and the fact that it was administered in Lancaster County is the key here. Each man older than 18 was supposed to take the oath - or pay a fine. I seem to recall that there was an upper age limit but don't remember what it was. Even if there wasn't an upper limit, I know that many older men were allowed to pass on taking the oath in practice. In Lancaster County, most of these oaths ares buried inside the deed books. Concerning the question of who took the oath: I would lean toward the younger man in this case - primarily because of the age. However, I doubt you can ever be absolutely certain. Brian From: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Fred Hagan" <fhagan2@earthlink.net> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:49:14 -0400 The father signed the oath. The son, being born in the U.S.,was a citizen and would not have to renounce his allegiance to another country. The father on the other hand, had to renounce his allegiance to the Czar of Germany (or what ever the head of the country was called in those days). I came across on of these in my Hagan research in Maryland. The emigrant, in order to become a citizen of the U.S., had to sign a paper renouncing his allegiance to the King of England. Interestingly, it was in the emigrant's own hand writing. Fred Hagan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Question re: Oaths of Allegiance >I have two ancestors - father and son - who have the same name. One of them >signed an Oath of Allegiance to PA in 1777 in Donegal Twp. I would like to >be able to determine which man most likely signed the oath. > >The father was born in Germany and was naturalized in 1769. He was age 65 >in 1777. His son of the same name was born in PA; he was age 25 in 1777 and >unmarried. There is no record of him serving in the war. Both men were >living in Donegal Twp in 1777. Any thoughts on which one signed the oath? > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== No political statements to this list. No religious statements.

Jan: I wonder whether I could impose on you to check that book for the name McPike/McPeak/McPake ca. first half of 1700's? Might yield a good clue. Many thanks. -- Maureen

Do not forget, the surname may have been Many way,s and not the correct way even once. Ernest

They were NOT German. Ernest

Sorry Maureen, there were no Mc's nor Mac's in this book. I checked Pike and Peak just in case the Mc was left off, but didn't find those either. Jan

Sorry Fred. there were no Hagan's in this book. There was a Hagman. Jan