I have added to my website; 17 July, 2006: website: http://users.nbn.net/charo/ Added 141 listings with info obtained from tombstone pics, in the Mt. Lebanon Cemetery Veterans Section. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Also 19 listings of the surname EISENHAUER to the Cedar Hill Cemetery, Fredericksburg listing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added 12 July, 2006; 66 listings with info obtained from tombstone pics, from a visit to Steelstown E. C. Church Cemetery, Lebanon Co. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Kindt - Lebanon,Pa. Genealogy research in Pa.Counties; LEBANON-LANCASTER-DAUPHIN-BERKS-SCHUYLKILL BEHNEY-BOHR-BOLTZ-COPENHAVER-DEAVEN-DISSINGER-DITZLER FAHLER-FAKE-GERBERICH-GETTLE-HIMMELBERGER-KINDT-KOHR KREISER-McKINNEY-MEASE-SCHAEFFER-SHAEFFER-WEABER-WOLFE website: http://users.nbn.net/charo/ KEEPER OF THE FLAME

I have a Peter Witmer b. 1710 married four times. Last names are Baumann, Herr, Shellenberger and Engle. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> > Abby Bowman recently published a transciption (with photos) from the West > Greentree Brethren Cemetery in Mt. Joy Twp. It included Peter Witmer, b. 18 > Oct 1787, d. 27 Oct 1849. > > Does anyone know if this Peter Witmer was the son of John Witmer (b. 1758, > d. bef 1792), and the grandson of Peter Witmer and Catharine Engle? His > year of birth (1787) is the same year I have found in other records for the > Witmer/Engle family. > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy >

I would be interested in the answer to Pams questions as well... Pam have you queried the Brethren List about this? Robert At 12:42 PM 7/15/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:43:05 -0400 >From: "Pam Pearson" <pampearson@patmedia.net> >To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <011b01c6a82d$beeff770$c300a8c0@family> >Subject: Peter Witmer (1787-1849) in West Greentree Brethren Cemetery >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Abby Bowman recently published a transciption (with photos) from the West >Greentree Brethren Cemetery in Mt. Joy Twp. It included Peter Witmer, b. 18 >Oct 1787, d. 27 Oct 1849. > >Does anyone know if this Peter Witmer was the son of John Witmer (b. 1758, >d. bef 1792), and the grandson of Peter Witmer and Catharine Engle? His >year of birth (1787) is the same year I have found in other records for the >Witmer/Engle family.

The Peter Witmer you have, b. 1710, is the father of John (b. 1758) and the grandfather of a Peter, b. ca. 1757. I'm trying to find out if the second Peter is the one who is buried in West Greentree Brethren Cemetery. Most records I've seen indicate that the elder Peter Witmer had three wives. I am not aware of a wife named Baumann. You can write me off-line if you'd like to discuss. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <darlingkarol@comcast.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Witmer (1787-1849) in West Greentree Brethren Cemetery > I have a Peter Witmer b. 1710 married four times. Last names are Baumann, Herr, Shellenberger and Engle.

Abby Bowman recently published a transciption (with photos) from the West Greentree Brethren Cemetery in Mt. Joy Twp. It included Peter Witmer, b. 18 Oct 1787, d. 27 Oct 1849. Does anyone know if this Peter Witmer was the son of John Witmer (b. 1758, d. bef 1792), and the grandson of Peter Witmer and Catharine Engle? His year of birth (1787) is the same year I have found in other records for the Witmer/Engle family.

The 84th annual reunion of the descendants of Henry Gabel (1782-1849) will be held on August 26th at Pavilion 1 in Hibernia Park, in Chester County near Coatsville, PA. Festivities start about noon. For more information contact Tom Civitello at tcivi31@comcast.net.

Thank you for the replies I've received so far. I have to get some info together & will forward it on to anyone who has mentioned any particulars to me. Ellen Visit my web site at: http://www.familytreetracer.com <http://www.familytreetracer.com/>

Hi, Ellen. Ancestry.com has some info regarding Oaths of Allegiance. Do you have more precise info regarding your MITCHELL family - names, approx. age, date of arrival, place of origin, etc? I'll see if I can find anything for you. Dot Michael Dresher, PA Families in Lancaster area: HAHN, BLUMENSTOCK, BROOKS/SEEBROOK, SMITH, and others ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen<mailto:ellen@b-n-s.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: Question on oaths of allegiance etc. Hello, I am new to this list & am trying to find a Mitchell family coming in to the area in the 1700's. Specifically, I am searching for a Matthew or one of his siblings that leave the area around the time of the Revolutionary War. Can you tell me if there are any oaths lists available on line or any vital records (via church etc.) for that early on line? Also any passenger lists. Ellen Visit my web site at: http://www.familytreetracer.com<http://www.familytreetracer.com/> <http://www.familytreetracer.com/<http://www.familytreetracer.com/>> ______________________________

Tombstone photos from West Greentree Brethren Cemetery, located in Mount Joy Township, and Gross Cemetery, located in Ephrata, are now online. The photos from Gross Cemetery include all visible stones. West Greentree is a partial photo transcription and includes about 200 photos. These can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lancaster/tsimages.htm . Abby Bowman File Manager, USGenWeb Archives Lancaster and Franklin Counties http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lancaster/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/franklin/

Hello, I am new to this list & am trying to find a Mitchell family coming in to the area in the 1700's. Specifically, I am searching for a Matthew or one of his siblings that leave the area around the time of the Revolutionary War. Can you tell me if there are any oaths lists available on line or any vital records (via church etc.) for that early on line? Also any passenger lists. Ellen Visit my web site at: http://www.familytreetracer.com <http://www.familytreetracer.com/>

My ggg grandfather Jacob Zeller [aka Zoller] of Brecknock Township, 1777-1848 left a will in Lancaster County, leaving $100 to daughter Catherine, wife of David Rutter, $100 to daughter Barbara, wife of Peter Spindler, $10 to son Jacob, if he claims the $10 within 10 years, rest of estate to wife Anna Maria [Shupp] Zeller during her lifetime/ then estate to co-executors, son George Zeller and daughter Elizabeth, wife of Isaac Griffiths. Was Catherine older than Barbara as she was mentioned first? Any thoughts on any parts of the will are welcomed. Thanks, Richard Zeller

Hello All, I have scanned and uploaded more pages of the book "Lancaster County from a Trolley Window". You can view it at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006

Richard, If I could add my 2 cents, I would say that the very best estates of all are the ones where someone had no surviving spouse or children, and no will. The intestate record then should identify all living relatives. There is a good chance that the half-siblings will be named. This is only one reason it is important to research all the siblings of one's ancestors, not just the direct line. I say definitely go for obtaining the full probate record, including orphan's court records and everything. Cathi ---- Janean Ray wrote: >You would have to go back probably to the will of the FATHER to see what HE >left and to whom. > >Here is an example of one of mine where 1/2 siblings were involved. > >All of Rawleigh's sons received a 500-acre plantation around Goose Creek >with the proviso that "each must have children" > >In the will he names his children as Joseph Chinn, Thomas Chinn, Chidchester >Chinn, Rawleigh Chinn, and Ann (Chinn) Shearman; his wife Easter Chinn, and >his godsons, Charles, Christopher, and Elijah. > >NOW, his "godsons" were his boys by another woman, who he never married >because I think there was never any formal divorce granted from his first >wife..... who happened to be 1st cousins to the "mistress" and mother of the >"godsons". > >Here is the portion of the will regarding his first wife... > >To his wife Easter Chinn she received no land or other property. "I order >my executor to pay to Easter Ball 25 pounds or 4000 lbs. of tobacco per >annum as per order of the General Court, provided that she has no right to >title by land to her dower in my said estate." However between the time of >her husbands death in 1742 and the making of her will, Aug. 2, 1749, >(recorded May 10, 1751) she had accumulated property and slaves as she >willed the same to "my granddaughter, Easter Sherman" who was named executor >of the estate. She named her children, Joseph Chinn, Rawleigh Chinn, Ann >(Chinn) Shearman, Thomas Chinn and "ye Heir of (son) Chidchester Chinn, >deceased", and left them each one shilling. > >SOOO.... he basically was providing alimony of sorts to her but how she got >her hands on property and stuff after he died in order to stick it in her >will, we don't know. I would assume it was granted to her by the court. > >Now daughter ANN then willed her portions etc to her brother. > >It is correct that men took over the ownership of property willed to the >women by their fathers etc. Women were not allowed to own property and if >it was to be sold the woman had to appear and sign off on it. Any property, >slaves etc given to a woman by the father with provisions that upon her >death etc..... the husband or the executor would be the guardian and make >sure it was carried out. But unless it was given to her outright and became >the property of the husband if he outlived her, there was usually provisions >by the father that upon her death it be sold and divided among her heirs >etc. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:42 PM >Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: Inheritance through "half siblings" > > >>My guess would be that unless it was the father who was the parent of all >>the children, not much chance of inheriting unless the husband died first >>and the wife left a will. They still would have had to have the same >>father. Inheritances without a will were through the man. He owned even >>the wife's property at that time unless there were other documents to >>support his letting her keep her property. This information is only from >>what records and experience I have had with my own families I am >>researching. Pat Morano >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:23 PM >>Subject: Inheritance through "half siblings" >> >> >>>I verified that a half sibling of my ancestor died in PA without leaving >a >>>will. She left surviving her two full siblings. However, she also >had >>>many >>>"half siblings", all of whom probably predeceased her, all of them >having >>>the >>>same father but a different mother. She owned real estate, and died >>>childless. My question is, will it be worth having someone check out >her >>>estate in >>>the latter 1800's? My ancestor was a half sibling to her, and I want >to >>>know >>>his other full siblings and their families and their names. Would the >>>PA >>>law of that time require a distribution to the surviving heirs of all >the >>>half >>>siblings, or will it distribute 100% to the surviving full siblings >>>only?? >>> >>>Richard >>> >> >> >>==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >>To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode >then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or >PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. >> > > > >==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html >You are responsible for following the A.U.P. >Acceptable Use Policy >

You would have to go back probably to the will of the FATHER to see what HE left and to whom. Here is an example of one of mine where 1/2 siblings were involved. All of Rawleigh's sons received a 500-acre plantation around Goose Creek with the proviso that "each must have children" In the will he names his children as Joseph Chinn, Thomas Chinn, Chidchester Chinn, Rawleigh Chinn, and Ann (Chinn) Shearman; his wife Easter Chinn, and his godsons, Charles, Christopher, and Elijah. NOW, his "godsons" were his boys by another woman, who he never married because I think there was never any formal divorce granted from his first wife..... who happened to be 1st cousins to the "mistress" and mother of the "godsons". Here is the portion of the will regarding his first wife... To his wife Easter Chinn she received no land or other property. "I order my executor to pay to Easter Ball 25 pounds or 4000 lbs. of tobacco per annum as per order of the General Court, provided that she has no right to title by land to her dower in my said estate." However between the time of her husbands death in 1742 and the making of her will, Aug. 2, 1749, (recorded May 10, 1751) she had accumulated property and slaves as she willed the same to "my granddaughter, Easter Sherman" who was named executor of the estate. She named her children, Joseph Chinn, Rawleigh Chinn, Ann (Chinn) Shearman, Thomas Chinn and "ye Heir of (son) Chidchester Chinn, deceased", and left them each one shilling. SOOO.... he basically was providing alimony of sorts to her but how she got her hands on property and stuff after he died in order to stick it in her will, we don't know. I would assume it was granted to her by the court. Now daughter ANN then willed her portions etc to her brother. It is correct that men took over the ownership of property willed to the women by their fathers etc. Women were not allowed to own property and if it was to be sold the woman had to appear and sign off on it. Any property, slaves etc given to a woman by the father with provisions that upon her death etc..... the husband or the executor would be the guardian and make sure it was carried out. But unless it was given to her outright and became the property of the husband if he outlived her, there was usually provisions by the father that upon her death it be sold and divided among her heirs etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: <patriciamorano@bellsouth.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: Inheritance through "half siblings" > My guess would be that unless it was the father who was the parent of all > the children, not much chance of inheriting unless the husband died first > and the wife left a will. They still would have had to have the same > father. Inheritances without a will were through the man. He owned even > the wife's property at that time unless there were other documents to > support his letting her keep her property. This information is only from > what records and experience I have had with my own families I am > researching. Pat Morano > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rricabee@aol.com> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: Inheritance through "half siblings" > > > >I verified that a half sibling of my ancestor died in PA without leaving a > > will. She left surviving her two full siblings. However, she also had > > many > > "half siblings", all of whom probably predeceased her, all of them having > > the > > same father but a different mother. She owned real estate, and died > > childless. My question is, will it be worth having someone check out her > > estate in > > the latter 1800's? My ancestor was a half sibling to her, and I want to > > know > > his other full siblings and their families and their names. Would the > > PA > > law of that time require a distribution to the surviving heirs of all the > > half > > siblings, or will it distribute 100% to the surviving full siblings > > only?? > > > > Richard > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. >

I need help finding birth and marriage records for Barbara Hollinger, born about 1815, who married, I think, Benjamin Sahm. Both from Penn Township. St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Penn Township is one possible source of data. Thanks for your help. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL

I just recently came across it and it is very nice with lots of pictures as well. Alan -----Original Message----- From: Daniel E Weinhold [mailto:deweinhold@juno.com] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:19 PM To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] History book and photo That is a wonderful BOOK here in Lancaster County, PA and out of print as I understand it. Ernest ______________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006

My guess would be that unless it was the father who was the parent of all the children, not much chance of inheriting unless the husband died first and the wife left a will. They still would have had to have the same father. Inheritances without a will were through the man. He owned even the wife's property at that time unless there were other documents to support his letting her keep her property. This information is only from what records and experience I have had with my own families I am researching. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rricabee@aol.com> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Inheritance through "half siblings" >I verified that a half sibling of my ancestor died in PA without leaving a > will. She left surviving her two full siblings. However, she also had > many > "half siblings", all of whom probably predeceased her, all of them having > the > same father but a different mother. She owned real estate, and died > childless. My question is, will it be worth having someone check out her > estate in > the latter 1800's? My ancestor was a half sibling to her, and I want to > know > his other full siblings and their families and their names. Would the > PA > law of that time require a distribution to the surviving heirs of all the > half > siblings, or will it distribute 100% to the surviving full siblings > only?? > > Richard >

I verified that a half sibling of my ancestor died in PA without leaving a will. She left surviving her two full siblings. However, she also had many "half siblings", all of whom probably predeceased her, all of them having the same father but a different mother. She owned real estate, and died childless. My question is, will it be worth having someone check out her estate in the latter 1800's? My ancestor was a half sibling to her, and I want to know his other full siblings and their families and their names. Would the PA law of that time require a distribution to the surviving heirs of all the half siblings, or will it distribute 100% to the surviving full siblings only?? Richard

Correction: Niederhoff, near Landau, Upper Palatinate, is the place of origin for Daniel Rühig, not Gunther. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Emlin Reed" <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: [PABERKS] Re: Land location > The entry reads: > > Daniel Rühig: Niederhoff, near Dec. 17, 1769 > s/o Johannes, dec'd Landau, Upper Palatinate > Anna Maria Gunther; Blue mt. > d/o Philip > > So, you see, Niederhoff, near Landau, Upper Palatinate, is the place of > origin for Daniel Gunther. Blue Mt. is the place of origin, or residence > for Anna Maria Gunther. They are two places, not one. Daniel and Anna > Maria may have been married in the Trinity Lutheran Church in Reading; > or perhaps in the Blue Mountain Lutheran Church in Tulpehocken > Township, and the record entered in the Trinity records at a later date. > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nearhoof.genealogy" <nearhoof.genealogy@verizon.net> > To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:41 PM > Subject: [PABERKS] Berks County land location > > >> Hi List, >> >> I hope someone will be able to help me. In the book Trinity Lutheran >> Church of Reading Berks County Pennsylvania, Part Three, Marriages - >> 1754-1812 on page 9, it shows Daniel Ruhig was married at "Niederhoff, >> near Landau, Upper Palatinate Blue Mt." on Dec. 17, 1769. >> >> Will someone please help me to find the location of "Niederhoff, near >> Landau, Upper Palatinate Blue Mt." >> >> I am not from the area so I don't even know where to begin. >> >> Thank you if you can help. >> >> Ralph >> >> >> ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== >> As of June 29, 2006, there are 663 people subscribed to the PABERKS list. >> Thank you for your support and being a part of this fine list! > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > How to unsubscribe: Send a message to > PABERKS-L-request@rootsweb.com > that contains (in the body of the message) the command > unsubscribe and no additional text, including signatures.

The entry reads: Daniel Rühig: Niederhoff, near Dec. 17, 1769 s/o Johannes, dec'd Landau, Upper Palatinate Anna Maria Gunther; Blue mt. d/o Philip So, you see, Niederhoff, near Landau, Upper Palatinate, is the place of origin for Daniel Gunther. Blue Mt. is the place of origin, or residence for Anna Maria Gunther. They are two places, not one. Daniel and Anna Maria may have been married in the Trinity Lutheran Church in Reading; or perhaps in the Blue Mountain Lutheran Church in Tulpehocken Township, and the record entered in the Trinity records at a later date. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "nearhoof.genealogy" <nearhoof.genealogy@verizon.net> To: <PABERKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: [PABERKS] Berks County land location > Hi List, > > I hope someone will be able to help me. In the book Trinity Lutheran > Church of Reading Berks County Pennsylvania, Part Three, Marriages - > 1754-1812 on page 9, it shows Daniel Ruhig was married at "Niederhoff, > near Landau, Upper Palatinate Blue Mt." on Dec. 17, 1769. > > Will someone please help me to find the location of "Niederhoff, near > Landau, Upper Palatinate Blue Mt." > > I am not from the area so I don't even know where to begin. > > Thank you if you can help. > > Ralph > > > ==== PABERKS Mailing List ==== > As of June 29, 2006, there are 663 people subscribed to the PABERKS list. > Thank you for your support and being a part of this fine list!