Just as EARL Twp. was divided into West Earl , Earl and East Earl, COCALICO Twp. was also divided into Township,s: West Cocalico, Cocalico, East Cocalico and Ephrata township,s. It can make a difference in light of the dates they WERE divided. Ernest
Thanks for that site, not come across that one. Stephennie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith McKain" <GeoSci64@comcast.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Townships >A good place for this kind of data is: > <http://archive.olivesoftware.com/Default/Skins/Lancaster/Client.asp?Skin=Lancaster&AW=1155266862218&AppName=2> > > Keith > > Glouer4@aol.com wrote: >> Thanks to all who sent suggestions on finding a list of old Lancaster >> townships. >> >> Another question please, would there be a map (or list) someplace of >> Lancaster sometime before 1750 that shows townships at that time? >> Preferably in the 1740s. Failing that, a map or list showing >> townships of Lancaster in the 1750s. >> >> Thanks again. >> Graham Louer >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html >> You are responsible for following the A.U.P. >> Acceptable Use Policy >> >> >> > > -- > > Keith A. McKain > > Educational Consultant - GeoScience Education Specialist > Email: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net > > The only sure thing on Earth is Change > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. >
Here is an update and answer to my own question to the group from 29 July 2006. I found an abstract for the will of a Christian Lein (N-1-295) Lancaster County Will Book. CHRISTIAN LEIN, written 14 Aug 1822, proven 7 Mar 1823 Conestoga Twp. yeoman. Children: Christian, Barbara, Nancy w/o Daniel Hess, Feronica w/o Melchior Brenneman, Magdalena w/o David Hess, Mary & Esther. Land (1) 75a Conestoga Twp. to son Christian (burial ground excepted); (2) other land TBS (but daughters have option to buy appraisement); (3) reference to land previously;y sold to son Christian. Ex. SON Christian, SIL Daniel Hess both of Conestoga Twp. Wit. Henry Christ, John Good, John Lein. Magdalena (aka Martha) is the wife of David Hess. Her brother Christian Lein [Line] (1781-1861) is the same Christian Lines Martha Hess is residing with in the 1850 and 1860 census for Conestoga Twp. The Daniel Hess (1784-1840) that was mentioned is the son of a John Hess (1743-1798) & Anna [Heiger?] of Conestoga Twp. David & Daniel Hess are 2nd cousins. In regards to the David Hess married to Martha Lein [Line], in looking at the census and tax records it appears he may have died before 1830. Frank W. Hess Enola, PA. -------------- Original message -------------- From: fhess518@comcast.net Looking for information on a David Hess who resided in Conestoga Township and married a Martha (possibly last name of Line) possibly the sister of a Christian Line. David Hess appears to have died before 1850, possibly even as early as 1840 or before. David might be the son of Christian Hess & Catharine Goghenour who resided in the southeastern end of Conestoga Twp close to Martic Twp (in what is now Pequea Twp.). If this is the same David Hess then he would have been born ca. 1785-1793. Martha Hess and some of her children are buried in Byerland Mennonite Cemetery in Pequea Twp. These may be some of the gravestones that had been moved from the original Byerland Mennonite Meeting House graveyard. No gravestone for David Hess has been found. Martha's gravestone is marked as; Martha Hess b: Dec 21, 1789; d: Sep 21,1866; age: 76y9m; David & Martha are believed to have had the following children: Fronica (Fanny) Hess, b- Jul 22 1807 d- Jun 8 1899, married on 8 Dec 1853 to Frederick William Rehm (1803-1856). Samuel Hess; b-1810; d-1852 Catharine Hess; b- Jul 12, 1812; d- Mar 2,1899 Esther Hess; b- ca 1820; d- Feb 6,1860; age: 39y9m16d; Christian Hess; b- May 28, 1822; d- Jan16,1846;age: --y--m22d; Martha Hess d: May 15,1842 [?]; age: 27y5m25d; Elizabeth Hess; b- ca 1830 Jan 5, 1815; d- Feb 8,1883 In anyone can add to this or confirm this please let me know. Frank Hess Enola, PA
Sorry for the multiple posts. Best way yet: *Townships of Lancaster County* *Bart *1744 Supposedly for baronet,"Bart". *Brecknock *1740 Welsh place name. *Caernarvon *1729 Welsh, Castle of Narfon. *Clay *1853 Supposedly honored Henry Clay. *Cocalico *1729 Indian name "Hoch Kalelung". Divided into East and West Cocalico in 1838. *Colerain* 1738 Ulster place name. *Conestoga *1729 Indian name, Iroquoian in origin, may have been the name the Susquehannocks called themselves. *Conoy *1842 Indian name, formed from Donegal Twp. *Donegal* Named for Donegal, Ireland. Formed into East and West Donegal in 1838. *Drumore *1729 From Dromore, County Down. *Earl *1729 Anglicization of Graf,German "earl". *East Earl* 1851 Division of Earl township. *East Drumore *1883 Division of Drumore township. *Eden *1855 Biblical allusion. *Elizabeth *1757 Named for iron furnace, Elizabeth Huber. *Ephrata *1838 Biblical, meaning fruitful. *Fulton *1844 Honored native son, Robert Fulton. *Harrison *1845 Honored Pres.William H. Harrison (abolished in 1847). *Hempfield *1729 English place name; Hemp grown here. Divided into East and West Hempfield in 1818. *Lampeter *1729 Welsh, "Llanbadr," Church of St.Peter. Divided into East and West Lampeter in 1841. *Lancaster *1729 English shire and county seat. *Leacock *1729 Town in Wiltshire, England.. *Little Britain *1738 Honored settlers from British Isles. *Manheim *1729 German place name, "Mannheim." *Manor *1759 Formerly Penn's "Conestoga Manor". *Martic *Martock 1729 Somerset, England, place name. *Mount Joy *1759 "Mountjoi," honors Viscount Mount Joy. *Paradise *1843 Biblical allusion. *Penn *1846 Honored William Penn. *Pequea *(pronounced Peck'way) 1853 Indian name. *Providence *1853 Biblical allusion. *Rapho *1741 Ulster place name. *Sadsbury *1729 Supposedly English place name. *Salisbury *1729 English place name. *Strasburg *1759 French-German city. *Upper Leacock *1843 Division of original Leacock township. *Warwick *1729 English shire (county). *West Earl *1833 Division of Earl township. Glouer4@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who sent suggestions on finding a list of old Lancaster > townships. > > Another question please, would there be a map (or list) someplace of > Lancaster sometime before 1750 that shows townships at that time? Preferably > in the 1740s. Failing that, a map or list showing townships of Lancaster in > the 1750s. > > Thanks again. > Graham Louer > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy > > > -- Keith A. McKain Educational Consultant - GeoScience Education Specialist Email: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net The only sure thing on Earth is Change
My last post sends you somewhere strange!! Go to the Lancaster County Historical Society home page - look under RESEARCH - DATABASES. Keith Glouer4@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who sent suggestions on finding a list of old Lancaster > townships. > > Another question please, would there be a map (or list) someplace of > Lancaster sometime before 1750 that shows townships at that time? Preferably > in the 1740s. Failing that, a map or list showing townships of Lancaster in > the 1750s. > > Thanks again. > Graham Louer > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy > > > -- Keith A. McKain Educational Consultant - GeoScience Education Specialist Email: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net The only sure thing on Earth is Change
A good place for this kind of data is: <http://archive.olivesoftware.com/Default/Skins/Lancaster/Client.asp?Skin=Lancaster&AW=1155266862218&AppName=2> Keith Glouer4@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who sent suggestions on finding a list of old Lancaster > townships. > > Another question please, would there be a map (or list) someplace of > Lancaster sometime before 1750 that shows townships at that time? Preferably > in the 1740s. Failing that, a map or list showing townships of Lancaster in > the 1750s. > > Thanks again. > Graham Louer > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy > > > -- Keith A. McKain Educational Consultant - GeoScience Education Specialist Email: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net The only sure thing on Earth is Change
Thanks to all who sent suggestions on finding a list of old Lancaster townships. Another question please, would there be a map (or list) someplace of Lancaster sometime before 1750 that shows townships at that time? Preferably in the 1740s. Failing that, a map or list showing townships of Lancaster in the 1750s. Thanks again. Graham Louer
Thank you. I am glad it has helped at least one person. I hope to have the last few pages scanned and uploaded in the next few days. Alan HYPERLINK "http://www.midatlanticarchives.com/"http://www.midatlanticarchives.com HYPERLINK "http://www,quakerrecords.com/"http://www,quakerrecords.com _____ From: Keith McKain [mailto:GeoSci64@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:14 PM To: Alan Buckingham; PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: GREAT resource! Alan, Outstanding! Anyone interested in early 20th century Lancaster County should take the time to look at this in detail! I read it all! The parts of Marietta, Donegal Church, etc. are (in part) about my family! Thanks for the great resource! Keith -- Keith A. McKain Website: HYPERLINK "http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64"http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 - # Mc17936 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006
Alan, Outstanding! Anyone interested in early 20th century Lancaster County should take the time to look at this in detail! I read it all! The parts of Marietta, Donegal Church, etc. are (in part) about my family! Thanks for the great resource! Keith -- Keith A. McKain Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: GeoSci64 at comcast dot net McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 - # Mc17936
Hello All, I have scanned and uploaded more pages of the book "Lancaster County from a Trolley Window". You can view it at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006
Robin - another note Catharine Stiffel may have died before the 1910; she was not listed (Stiffel, Stiffle, Stifel, Stifle, Stiffal, Stifal) in the 1910 census. I found 17 listings (not Catharine) for Stifal. God be with you, Shirley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Hi Robin, I live in Missouri, but searching Heritage Quest online census I found 80 listings for Stiffel from 1860 to 1920. 1860 Adolph 40, born in Prussia, living in Ohio, Darke County, Patterson Twp Christian 17 Wurt OH Hamilton 11-WD Cincinnati Fanny 45 Bavaria LA Orleans Parish 6-WD, New Orleans Frederick 30 Wurttemberg NJ Essex 5-WD Newark Jacob 40 (a brother of Thaddeus?) OH, Wyandot, Crane Twp Jacob Stiffel 40, born in Ger / no occupation listed Maria 35 Germany William 9 Germany Charles 7 Germany Albert 5 Germany 1870 F J 41 Wurt, living in NJ Essex 5th Ward Newark Fred 6 NY NY New York 12-Wd 18-Election Dist, Public New York Juvenile Asylum (Orphanage?) Frederick 6 NY NY New York 15-WD 10-E D, Inmate of Asylum (Orphanage?) Parents- foreign birth Jacob 53 Baden OH Wyandot Salem Twp John 43 Wurt PA Philadelphia 16-Wd 49-Dist Julius 28 PA PA Allegheny 15-Wd Pittsburgh Robert 26 TN LA Caddo Shreveport Thaddeus PA, Lancaster 212th dist 8th ward / on Page 27 Dwelling visited - 204 / Family - 225 Thaddeus 48, stone mason, born in Wurttemberg Cath. 43 keeping house, born in Bavaria Chris 18 work in Cotton Mill, born in PA Caroline 15 work in C M PA Eliza 13 work in C M PA Abram 12 PA Henry 10 PA Kate 8 PA Barbara 6 PA Emma 1 PA Family of Catharines brother may be listed on the same census page - 27 Snyder Rose 7 born in PA Eliza 5 PA Anna 3 PA Her brother may be listed on the previous page - 26 Dwelling visited 194 / Family 212 Snyder Michael 49 Shoemaker born in Bavaria Cath. 48 Keeping House born in Bavaria Cath. 22 Seamstress born in Penn Henry 18 Tin Smith (?) Penn Lora 9 Penn 1880 A Wallace 33 NY CO Arapahoe County Denver 1900 Albert 58 Albert R 45 Alexander 42 Germ Annie 53 Germ PA Lancaster 8-Wd Lancaster Cathrine 73 Germ Lancaster 8-Wd Lancaster (Thaddeus must have died before census; Catharine is living with a daughter) House number 520 (St. Joseph), 144th dwelling visited, 149th family Carter, Harry, head of house, birth date -June 1864, 35, Marr 13 yrs, born PA, parents born in Delaware, occupation - Cotton Mill Kate, wife, Dec 1864, 35, Marr 13, 2 children, 1 living, born in PA, parents born in Germany John H, son, Sep 1896, 3, PA PA PA Stiffel Cathrine, M-in Law, Aug 1827, 72, Wd (Widow), married 66(?) yrs., 11 children, 11 living, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, year of immigration 1842, 58 yrs in US 1900 Stiffel listings (continued) Charles 18 Germ PA Philadelphia 22-Wd Philadelphia Elizabeth 72 PA PA Lancaster 5-Wd Lancaster Elmira 42 PA PA Northampton Freemansburg Boro Frank 14 Germ IL LaSalle LaSalle Twp Fred 24 IL IL Cook 20-Wd Chicago John 58 Bohemia IN Pulaski Cass Twp Jules 44 LA TN Shelby 8-Wd Memphis Maggie 25 VA VA Roanoke Big Lick Dist Melia M 28 LA LA St Mary Ward 3 Nick 46 WI WI Fond du Lac Ashford Good luck to you and your mother! Shirley J Kunkle Searching names: Elliott, Hite, Hostetter, Mankey, Moninger, Newcomer, Phillips --- Scharff@aol.com wrote: > I am asking for some help from those of you on this > list. My mother has > been asking me to help trace her roots. I have > found a number of ancestors, but > I am stuck on one line on an immigrant couple. > > My sister called yesterday (she and my mother are > 1,000 miles from me) and > informed me my mother has been diagnosed with > extremely high (stroke-level) > blood pressure and Alzheimer's. The good news is > she still has good days, but > the bad news is she refuses to take her meds. (This > has been going on for > months, apparently, but my mother has been ok when > I've spoken to her). At any > rate, I would like to be able to give her some news > on this branch of her > family -- it's the only place where I've been stuck, > and she wants to know that > info in particular......not sure why, except that > it's her father's paternal > line, and she was very close to him. I would like > to get at least a little > more info and send it to her while she can still > enjoy the knowledge. > > My ancestors were Thaddeus STIFFEL and Catharine > SNYDER (possibly Schneider > and Anglicized to Snyder). Thaddeus was born 1822 > and Catharine 1828, both > in Wurtemburg. I am not sure when they came to > Lancaster Co. or if they were > married in Germany or the US. > > I have their children, etc., after they came. > However, I don't have their > parents or siblings or even a burial place for them > (they may or may not have > been Mennonite, but I've not been able to find them > on the MENNO mail list or > any Mennonite sites, microfilms, etc. that I've > looked at). I know that (a) > the birth years are probably correct, as born out by > later censuses, (b) > Thaddeus' father was possibly named Jacob, as their > first son was named that, > and (c) there were a Christian Stiffel and an Andrew > Stiffel in Lancaster Co. a > bit earlier than Thaddeus (he first appears on the > 1850 census, Christian is > on the 1840), but I have no way of knowing if there > is a connection. I know > families at the time frequently named their children > after family members, > but Thaddeus and Catharine had no sons named > Christian or Andrew (although, to > be fair, they had mostly daughters -- the boys I've > found are Jacob, > Augustus, and Abraham). > > I have looked numerous times over the years at the > FHC here, but nothing > has turned up. I probably will not be able to get > back over there for a few > more weeks (at least). If anyone can turn up > anything on Thaddeus and > Catharine and their birth families, I would be very > grateful. I will be going at it > ASAP at my end, but I know some of you live in the > Lancaster area (Thaddeus > and Catharine lived in Millersville), or might have > more books, etc., than I > do. > > I appreciate you taking the time to read this and > thanks in advance for any > help. > > Robin Scharff > > Names connected to my STIFFEL line (working > backwards in time): CARUTHERS, > FOREMAN, MCCORMICK, BAKER (poss. BOKER) > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are > getting list or digest mode then e-mail > PALANCAS-L-request@rootsweb.com or > PALANCAS-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in > message. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
I am asking for some help from those of you on this list. My mother has been asking me to help trace her roots. I have found a number of ancestors, but I am stuck on one line on an immigrant couple. My sister called yesterday (she and my mother are 1,000 miles from me) and informed me my mother has been diagnosed with extremely high (stroke-level) blood pressure and Alzheimer's. The good news is she still has good days, but the bad news is she refuses to take her meds. (This has been going on for months, apparently, but my mother has been ok when I've spoken to her). At any rate, I would like to be able to give her some news on this branch of her family -- it's the only place where I've been stuck, and she wants to know that info in particular......not sure why, except that it's her father's paternal line, and she was very close to him. I would like to get at least a little more info and send it to her while she can still enjoy the knowledge. My ancestors were Thaddeus STIFFEL and Catharine SNYDER (possibly Schneider and Anglicized to Snyder). Thaddeus was born 1822 and Catharine 1828, both in Wurtemburg. I am not sure when they came to Lancaster Co. or if they were married in Germany or the US. I have their children, etc., after they came. However, I don't have their parents or siblings or even a burial place for them (they may or may not have been Mennonite, but I've not been able to find them on the MENNO mail list or any Mennonite sites, microfilms, etc. that I've looked at). I know that (a) the birth years are probably correct, as born out by later censuses, (b) Thaddeus' father was possibly named Jacob, as their first son was named that, and (c) there were a Christian Stiffel and an Andrew Stiffel in Lancaster Co. a bit earlier than Thaddeus (he first appears on the 1850 census, Christian is on the 1840), but I have no way of knowing if there is a connection. I know families at the time frequently named their children after family members, but Thaddeus and Catharine had no sons named Christian or Andrew (although, to be fair, they had mostly daughters -- the boys I've found are Jacob, Augustus, and Abraham). I have looked numerous times over the years at the FHC here, but nothing has turned up. I probably will not be able to get back over there for a few more weeks (at least). If anyone can turn up anything on Thaddeus and Catharine and their birth families, I would be very grateful. I will be going at it ASAP at my end, but I know some of you live in the Lancaster area (Thaddeus and Catharine lived in Millersville), or might have more books, etc., than I do. I appreciate you taking the time to read this and thanks in advance for any help. Robin Scharff Names connected to my STIFFEL line (working backwards in time): CARUTHERS, FOREMAN, MCCORMICK, BAKER (poss. BOKER)
In a message dated 8/9/2006 10:05:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, remlinr@tampabay.rr.com writes: I offer my apologies to anyone who was mislead by my post. Richard Emlin Reed I see no reason for you to apologize--after all this is the Lancaster County PA list and I see no reason for anyone to assume you would talking of any state other than PA. :) Joan
Oh, I'm so sorry; the subject led me to assume that we were discussing Pennsylvania. http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/land/rn20_landoffice.htm suggests that Virginia also used warrants, surveys, and patents. Perhaps other colonies/states did, too. I offer my apologies to anyone who was mislead by my post. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01@earthlink.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, 1733-1957 > This is mis-leading, and applies ONLY to Pennsylvania. > > Eric > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> >> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 8/9/2006 6:10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, > 1733-1957 >> >> See http://www.innernet.net/hively/PALand/About%20PA%20Land%20Records.htm >> This lists the 5 steps to acquire land: Application to warrant, Warrant, >> Survey, Application to patent, and Patent. The warrant was the order to >> survey the land. The patent was the title to the land. The state was the >> warrantor and the patentor; the person applying for the warrant was the >> warantee; and the person applying for the patent was the patentee. The >> warrants were transferrable; and were often passed down from generation >> to >> generation; and, it is my understanding, could be sold. >> Richard Emlin Reed >> Wesley Chapel, FL >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruce Fosnocht" <bfosnocht@charter.net> >> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, >> 1733-1957 >> >> >> > For the novice as to land records, who can define the warrantee and the >> > patentee? >> > >> > Bruce Fosnocht >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ed Wevodau" <wevo@verizon.net> >> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:00 AM >> > Subject: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, >> > 1733-1957 >> > >> > >> >>I would agree that I have never seen such a fine genealogical resource > so >> >> well hidden. >> >> >> >> In fact, on the same link page, one can find scanned images of the > patent >> >> indices--a valuable resource if you know the patentee but not the >> >> warrantee. >> >> >> >> Archivist Jonathan Stayer recently informed me that digital copies of >> >> both >> >> original warrants and original surveys should follow over a >> >> two-to-five >> >> year >> >> period. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> >> This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. >> > >> > >> > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at >> > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html >> You are responsible for following the A.U.P. >> Acceptable Use Policy > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy
Thanks to all who responded to my question about the PA land patent process. This is a very useful resource. I agree with Ed Wevodau! Bruce Fosnocht ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01@earthlink.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, 1733-1957 > This is mis-leading, and applies ONLY to Pennsylvania. > > Eric > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> >> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: 8/9/2006 6:10:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, > 1733-1957 >> >> See http://www.innernet.net/hively/PALand/About%20PA%20Land%20Records.htm >> This lists the 5 steps to acquire land: Application to warrant, Warrant, >> Survey, Application to patent, and Patent. The warrant was the order to >> survey the land. The patent was the title to the land. The state was the >> warrantor and the patentor; the person applying for the warrant was the >> warantee; and the person applying for the patent was the patentee. The >> warrants were transferrable; and were often passed down from generation >> to >> generation; and, it is my understanding, could be sold. >> Richard Emlin Reed >> Wesley Chapel, FL >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruce Fosnocht" <bfosnocht@charter.net> >> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, >> 1733-1957 >> >> >> > For the novice as to land records, who can define the warrantee and the >> > patentee? >> > >> > Bruce Fosnocht >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ed Wevodau" <wevo@verizon.net> >> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:00 AM >> > Subject: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, >> > 1733-1957 >> > >> > >> >>I would agree that I have never seen such a fine genealogical resource > so >> >> well hidden. >> >> >> >> In fact, on the same link page, one can find scanned images of the > patent >> >> indices--a valuable resource if you know the patentee but not the >> >> warrantee. >> >> >> >> Archivist Jonathan Stayer recently informed me that digital copies of >> >> both >> >> original warrants and original surveys should follow over a >> >> two-to-five >> >> year >> >> period. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> >> This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. >> > >> > >> > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at >> > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html >> You are responsible for following the A.U.P. >> Acceptable Use Policy > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy >
See http://www.innernet.net/hively/PALand/About%20PA%20Land%20Records.htm This lists the 5 steps to acquire land: Application to warrant, Warrant, Survey, Application to patent, and Patent. The warrant was the order to survey the land. The patent was the title to the land. The state was the warrantor and the patentor; the person applying for the warrant was the warantee; and the person applying for the patent was the patentee. The warrants were transferrable; and were often passed down from generation to generation; and, it is my understanding, could be sold. Richard Emlin Reed Wesley Chapel, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Fosnocht" <bfosnocht@charter.net> To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, 1733-1957 > For the novice as to land records, who can define the warrantee and the > patentee? > > Bruce Fosnocht > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Wevodau" <wevo@verizon.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:00 AM > Subject: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, > 1733-1957 > > >>I would agree that I have never seen such a fine genealogical resource so >> well hidden. >> >> In fact, on the same link page, one can find scanned images of the patent >> indices--a valuable resource if you know the patentee but not the >> warrantee. >> >> Archivist Jonathan Stayer recently informed me that digital copies of >> both >> original warrants and original surveys should follow over a two-to-five >> year >> period. >> >> >> >> >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== >> This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com
Dear Bruce, The Warrantee is the first person to apply for the land. He may also be the person who winds up as the patentee. However, the warrantee may sell the land in the meantime & the person who then gets it is the patentee. Ellen (ETHS-VP)
This is mis-leading, and applies ONLY to Pennsylvania. Eric > [Original Message] > From: Richard Emlin Reed <remlinr@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 8/9/2006 6:10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, 1733-1957 > > See http://www.innernet.net/hively/PALand/About%20PA%20Land%20Records.htm > This lists the 5 steps to acquire land: Application to warrant, Warrant, > Survey, Application to patent, and Patent. The warrant was the order to > survey the land. The patent was the title to the land. The state was the > warrantor and the patentor; the person applying for the warrant was the > warantee; and the person applying for the patent was the patentee. The > warrants were transferrable; and were often passed down from generation to > generation; and, it is my understanding, could be sold. > Richard Emlin Reed > Wesley Chapel, FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Fosnocht" <bfosnocht@charter.net> > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, > 1733-1957 > > > > For the novice as to land records, who can define the warrantee and the > > patentee? > > > > Bruce Fosnocht > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Wevodau" <wevo@verizon.net> > > To: <PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:00 AM > > Subject: [PALANCAS] RE: [PaOldC] Warrant Registers With Green Covers, > > 1733-1957 > > > > > >>I would agree that I have never seen such a fine genealogical resource so > >> well hidden. > >> > >> In fact, on the same link page, one can find scanned images of the patent > >> indices--a valuable resource if you know the patentee but not the > >> warrantee. > >> > >> Archivist Jonathan Stayer recently informed me that digital copies of > >> both > >> original warrants and original surveys should follow over a two-to-five > >> year > >> period. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > >> This is your list use and enjoy for genealogy. > > > > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > > List Owner can be reached for help with the list at > > PALANCAS-Admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== PALANCAS Mailing List ==== > http//www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html > You are responsible for following the A.U.P. > Acceptable Use Policy
A Warrentee is the person to whom a warranty is made. A Patentee is the one to whom a patent has been made. Hope this helps Liz White