Bounty land is what it was called for the soldiers. I believe they could apply for it. One of mine turned down his bounty land - he had served in War of 1812! His certificate was marked 'cancelled' by the war office when I ordered his pension file! I guess he didn't want to relocate to where the land was (which wasn't shown in his file - only that he got 40 acres)! Also, the State of PA had pensions also. Some of the men got that before they filed under the Act of 1832......They needed at least 3 mos service to qualify, I think. I have seen files where they stated they had not received a pension from anywhere else, in the Federal pension file. And some stated they had received one from PA. Heritage Quest has RW pensions which you can download for your soldier. These are the Federal ones. Some have widows of deceased soldiers, which were provided for in another Act in 1834 I think. Diana in AL [email protected] > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:33:43 -0800 (PST) > From: James Stokes > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob > > Hi Bob, > ????? Land isn't the same as a pension, the land that Pa. gave was in the North West part of the state while it was largely unsettled and it didn't have much cash value.? Few oldtimers wanted to move there and leave their families, those that sold to speculators didn't get much for the land.? The speculators were the big winners, they bought these small parcels and bundled them into much larger pieces I think the Feds were giving land in Ohio and Indiana but again, not many wanted to leave their grown children and move there. > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jim > Conestoga Area Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Todd > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:02:42 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob > > Anne & Jim > > Don't forget to look for a land grant.? There was an act in the 1850 if I > remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had > not received land. > > Good Luck, Todd

The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 3 Aug. 1870: Page 2: Deaths NIMLOW.-On the 25th ult., in Martic township, M---[?] K. [NIMLOW], son of Margaret S NIMLOW, aged 18[?] years, 3 months and 18 days. FRICKER[?].-On the 27th inst.[sic], in this city, Freddie [FRICKER?], only son of Henry and Margaret FRICKER[?], in the 7th year of his age. TINDAL.-On the 28th inst.[sic], in this city, John S. M. [TINDAL], son of David and Elizabeth TINDAL, aged 5 years and 26 days. ECKERT.-On the 28th inst.[sic], Lewis Henry [ECKERT], infant son of of Rev. J. V. and E. Z. ECKERT, aged 1 days [sic]. ROHRER.-On the 31st ult., Leland ROHRER, son of the late Reuben S. ROHRER, aged 21 years and 29[?] days. FOX.-On the 29th inst.[sic], Carrie Rebekah [FOX], infant daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth FOX. ECKERT.-In this city, on Friday, July 29th, Albert N. ECKERT, in the 28th year of his age. ---------- [Elsewhere on the same page] FUNERAL OF ALBERT N. ECKERT.-The funeral of Albert N. ECKERT, son of the late Geo. L. ECKERT, Esq., of Paradise township, took place on Sunday afternoon, from the residence of his mother in Shippen street, and was attended by a very large number of his friends and acquaintances. His remains were taken to the Old Leacock Church, and interred in the graveyard attached thereto, where his father and other members of the family are buried. Mr. ECKERT was a young man of exemplary character, was widely known throughout the city and county, and was highly respected. ---------- FATAL ACCIDENT TO A FORMER LANCASTERIAN.-Mieajah[?] P. WEEKS, who was for a number of years connected with the Safe Harbor Iron Works, and who is married to a daughter of the late James BONES, of Manor twp., on last Friday, was scalded in a rolling mill, at Joliet, Will county, Illinois, from the effects of which he died shortly afterward. He went there with his family, about a month ago, to take charge of a rolling mill. We did not learn the particulars of the accident. ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 10 Aug. 1870: Page 2: Deaths ANDERSON.-On the 8[?]th inst., ------[?] [ANDERSON], infant daughter of Merrell[?] R. and Ella ANDERSON, aged [?] weeks and [?] days. RIPLEY.-On the 3d inst., in this city, --------[?] RIPLEY, aged 28 years. LIND.-On the 3d inst., in this city, John LIND, aged 66[?] years, 11 months and 28 days. [Two additional deaths which I'm unable to read.] ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 17 Aug. 1870: Page 3: Deaths ANNE.-On the 12th inst., in this city, Ann Amrita[?] [ANNE], wife of William ANNE, aged 33[?] years, 2 months and 26 days. HAGER.-On the 13th inst., at Abbeville, Catharine [HAGER], wife of Christopher HAGER, dec'd. GRICE.-On the 1st inst., at the residence of her uncle, Peter P. Lewis, in Bart township, Eathalinda [GRICE], daughter of B. F. and Elizabeth GRICE, aged 11 months, 3 weeks, and 4 days. Her remains were conveyed to her home Monday afternoon in Philadelphia. McKILLIPS.-On the 2d inst., at Gordonville, Sarah E. McKILLIPS, aged 2 years and seven months; also on the 11th inst., Maggie A. McKILLIPS, aged 6 years and 7 months; children of Isaiah and Mary A. McKILLIPS. McINTYRE.-At Fairfiled, Drumore twp., on the 7th of April, Robt. McINTYRE, in the 76th year of his age. McINTYRE.-On the 11th of May, Margaret McINTYRE, in the 32d year of her age. SHANK.-On the 27th of July, Wm. SHANK, in the [??]th year of his age. ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 24 Aug. 1870: Deaths [page is missing from digital archives] ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 31 Aug. 1870: Page 3: Deaths ATLEE.-Suddenly, at Philadelphia, on Sunday morning, August 28, Anna Eliza [ATLEE], wife of Washington L. ATLEE, M.D., aged 62 years. DEMUTH.-On the 24th inst., in this city, William D---er[?] DEMUTH, in his 67[?]th year. HORNER.-On the 24th inst., in this city, Anna Louisa[?] [HORNER], daughter of George W. and Adaline M. HORNER, aged 8 months and 18 days. [HORNER].-On the 28[?]th inst., in this city, Mary Francis [HORNER], daughter of George W. and Adaline M. HORNER, aged 2 years and 14[?] days. SIMMONS.-On the 21st inst., at the residence of her husband, Washington SIMMONS, Mechanicsburg, Lancaster county, Pa., of typhoid fever, Mary Ann SIMMONS, aged forty-three years, eleven months and four days. ---------- These and other Civil War era newspapers can be viewed online using the "Browse Archive" feature at: http://digitalnewspapers.libraries.psu.edu/

The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 3 Aug. 1870: Page 2: Marriages DAVISH-ELIAS.-On the 22d ult., at the residence of the bride's parents, by Rev. F. P. Lehr, Mr. Isaiah DAVISH to Miss Katie A. ELIAS, both of this city. HORNER[?]-BARTCHER[?].-On the 28[?]th last, at the residence of Mr. James H. Goffrey[?], by Rev. B. C. Suessefoit[?], or Lancaster, Pa., Samuel A. HORNER[?], or Burlington, N.J., to Miss Ann BARTCHER[?], of Baltimore[?], Md. ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 10 Aug. 1870: Page 2: Marriages ZIEGLER-CARMAN.-On the 4th inst., in Trinity Reformed Church, by Rev. J. Mil--[?], ---------[?] -. ZIEGLER, Esq, to Miss Sallie M. CARMAN, both of York. MELLINGER[?]-RESSLER.-On the -----[?], at Horting & Schlott's Hotel, by Rev. W. T. Gerhard, Jacob B. MELLINGER[??] to Susanna RESSLER, both of Ephrata twp. [Both of these were very difficult to read] ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 17 Aug. 1870: Page 3: Marriages REISS-SAMPSON.-On the 12th inst., by Rev. W. T. Gerhard, at his residence, Charles A. REISS to Annie M. SAMPSON, both of Lancaster. MILLER-FRITZ.-On the 5th inst., at Horting & Schlott's Hotel, by Rev. W. T. Gerhard, Albert S. MILLER, of Rapho, to Kate FRITZ, of Penn twp. D---[?]-HUFFORD.-On the 7th inst., by Rev. Darius W. Gerhard, Adam DOSH[?], of Leacock, to Christiana HUFFORD, of West Earl township, Lancaster Co. ARTHUR-SNYDER.-On the 1st day of May, by Rev. Dr. Greenwald, Mr. T. A. ARTHUR, of New Castle on Tyne, England, to Miss Lizzie SNYDER, of this city. ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 17 Aug. 1870: Marriages [page is missing from digital archives] ---------- The Lancaster Intelligencer: Wed. 31 Aug. 1870: Page 3: Marriages KR--ER[?]-SEIPLE.-On the 25th inst., by Rev. J. V. Eckert, Martin H. KR--ER[?] to Miss Mary L. SEIPLE, both of Martic twp. ---------- These and other Civil War era newspapers can be viewed online using the "Browse Archive" feature at: http://digitalnewspapers.libraries.psu.edu/

Hi Bob,       Land isn't the same as a pension, the land that Pa. gave was in the North West part of the state while it was largely unsettled and it didn't have much cash value.  Few oldtimers wanted to move there and leave their families, those that sold to speculators didn't get much for the land.  The speculators were the big winners, they bought these small parcels and bundled them into much larger pieces I think the Feds were giving land in Ohio and Indiana but again, not many wanted to leave their grown children and move there.                                                                                                              Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Bob Todd <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:02:42 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Anne & Jim Don't forget to look for a land grant.  There was an act in the 1850 if I remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had not received land. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address. You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information. The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp. Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church. The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County. If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy. Do you know when he died ? To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions. You are right about spelling. I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell. Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings. His father died the year before. I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records. I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw. Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peggy,      Yes, there were pensions before 1832 but they helped only a small fraction of the people who served.  Officers who had died in service or people who were maimed but managed to survive.  I know Lancaster County provided a pension for a Captain who died in service.  Still, the average guy didn't have a chance to receive a pension, you had to live to your 70s to qualify and not many people lived to that great age in those days.  Not to mention, all the people who can certify that you actually served had already died.  Of the 10 or 12 Revolutionary War soldiers in my genealogy, only 1 received a pension.                                                                                                                   Jim For more on Revolutionary War service visit The Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Peggy K. Reeves <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:28:01 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Revolutionary pensioners > > To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live > until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of > the guys who served had died. Jim, In 1832 the largest and most inclusive pension act was passed by Congress that made many men eligible who were not eligible under previous acts.  But many Revolutionary soldiers were pensioned under earlier Acts of Congress.  There is no way to know if a Revolutionary veteran/widow was a pensioner or not without checking the various pension indexes.  Even members of militias could be pensioned if they could prove their service and participation in the war effort, and that service was of sufficient duration. Peggy Reeves ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another idea to look at in the spelling of the surname Grub/ Grob is the German use of what is called the "sharp s". This is a way of spelling "double s" by making what looks like a "B". A sort of short cut especially used in earlier times. So what is named Gross could on paper look like GroB. Other Germans would understand this immediately and English clerks taking information from the passenger lists would copy the GroB. German church records might use the "sharp s". You would have to look at the actual spelling. Just a thought, Ann

We have placed a bunch of pension indices up on our census page: http://census.evendon.com You can restrict the search to the pensions only using the SEARCH SELECTOR in the Left Pane. Don Eve and Don Krieger Pittsburgh, PA http://www.evendon.com Everything on our site is free and permanent. Loading is very fast. Each page includes a highlighted copy/paste link which you can use for easy online citation. Please support us by letting others know about our site -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peggy K. Reeves Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Revolutionary pensioners > > To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live > until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of > the guys who served had died. Jim, In 1832 the largest and most inclusive pension act was passed by Congress that made many men eligible who were not eligible under previous acts. But many Revolutionary soldiers were pensioned under earlier Acts of Congress. There is no way to know if a Revolutionary veteran/widow was a pensioner or not without checking the various pension indexes. Even members of militias could be pensioned if they could prove their service and participation in the war effort, and that service was of sufficient duration. Peggy Reeves ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another variation when considering handwritten records is that often a second "s" was similar to "f". English speaking persons might consider this "Groff". --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Ann Heinz <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ann Heinz <[email protected]> Subject: [PALANCAS] Grubb spelling To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 4:57 PM Another idea to look at in the spelling of the surname Grub/ Grob is the German use of what is called the "sharp s". This is a way of spelling "double s" by making what looks like a "B". A sort of short cut especially used in earlier times. So what is named Gross could on paper look like GroB. Other Germans would understand this immediately and English clerks taking information from the passenger lists would copy the GroB. German church records might use the "sharp s". You would have to look at the actual spelling. Just a thought, Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live > until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of > the guys who served had died. Jim, In 1832 the largest and most inclusive pension act was passed by Congress that made many men eligible who were not eligible under previous acts. But many Revolutionary soldiers were pensioned under earlier Acts of Congress. There is no way to know if a Revolutionary veteran/widow was a pensioner or not without checking the various pension indexes. Even members of militias could be pensioned if they could prove their service and participation in the war effort, and that service was of sufficient duration. Peggy Reeves

Anne & Jim Don't forget to look for a land grant. There was an act in the 1850 if I remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had not received land. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address. You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information. The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp. Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church. The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County. If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy. Do you know when he died ? To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions. You are right about spelling. I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell. Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings. His father died the year before. I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records. I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw. Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Earnest,      Yes, you can't get far just searching a surname since they were often spelled differently and the spelling often depended on who wrote it down (English or German) and how well educated the person was who was giving the name.  I've seen German's really butcher Scotch-Irish names in Manor Twp.  You really need to try to locate people so your only looking for the John Kendig in Conestoga Twp., and not in all of Lancaster County.  Finding the township isn't that difficult since Tax lists, Revolutionary War Class lists, wills, and the census are all organized by township,  Knowing where they lived is the key to finding where they went to church.   Knowing the township isn't always the answer since there were 4 Christian Herrs in Manor Twp. during the revolution, but with less common names, it helps.                                                                                                 Jim   ________________________________ From: Daniel E Weinhold <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:27:44 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Well written, James, My immigrant's surname was not correct by either of the 3 "desk clerk,s" after the immigrants "got off of" the boat, why, the "clerk,s were English (Only English sale boat,s were allowed to take Germans to Penna.) and of course those who left from either Germany OR their Native land, such as Switz Mennonites or French Huguenots etc. and each had their own dialect of which a number of them were unable to  read OR write, hence you will find tha t many would SIGN with an X. As these Penna. Dutch so called, learned to live together in Western Europe, they seemed to have learned to talk together by developing dialect language of the area (of which IS USED TODAY OVER THERE) as well as here in south eastern Penna. , though the dialect IS different to some extend. Each County seems to have a bit of a different dialect. Even tomb stones were written in different ways, spellings were carved as the carver could spell. If the "stone" was TOO narrow, he would continue the surname in the next line below. I also, was told by someone HOW to locate my immigrant's name in the Penna. German's ship listing,s since  it was not correctly spelled in English OR German.  That has wasted a lot of time for many Family history researcher,s in times past. Ernest ____________________________________________________________ The strong, silent type. Click here for great looking bamboo flooring! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2d22JoO3ZhJVacRbFdG56zWLidiTu4eEvcGNwZnRK19uhvC/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne,      You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address.  You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information.  The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp.  Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church.      The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County.      If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy.  Do you know when he died ?  To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died.                                                                                                                 Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions.  You are right about spelling.  I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell.  Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings.  His father died the year before.  I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records.  I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw.  Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, thank you for your suggestions. You are right about spelling. I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell. Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings. His father died the year before. I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records. I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw. Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well written, James, My immigrant's surname was not correct by either of the 3 "desk clerk,s" after the immigrants "got off of" the boat, why, the "clerk,s were English (Only English sale boat,s were allowed to take Germans to Penna.) and of course those who left from either Germany OR their Native land, such as Switz Mennonites or French Huguenots etc. and each had their own dialect of which a number of them were unable to read OR write, hence you will find tha t many would SIGN with an X. As these Penna. Dutch so called, learned to live together in Western Europe, they seemed to have learned to talk together by developing dialect language of the area (of which IS USED TODAY OVER THERE) as well as here in south eastern Penna. , though the dialect IS different to some extend. Each County seems to have a bit of a different dialect. Even tomb stones were written in different ways, spellings were carved as the carver could spell. If the "stone" was TOO narrow, he would continue the surname in the next line below. I also, was told by someone HOW to locate my immigrant's name in the Penna. German's ship listing,s since it was not correctly spelled in English OR German. That has wasted a lot of time for many Family history researcher,s in times past. Ernest ____________________________________________________________ The strong, silent type. Click here for great looking bamboo flooring! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2d22JoO3ZhJVacRbFdG56zWLidiTu4eEvcGNwZnRK19uhvC/

Hi Anne,      I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically.  They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,.  In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers.  If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N.  There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled.  Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly.  That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name.  When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case.  If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that.      If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution.  Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777.  You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren.  People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages.  I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of  this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs.  You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County.  Did you see the original information on the immigration ?  Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ?  This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son.  The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males.      There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives.  There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy.  They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult.  The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives.  Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter.       The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research,  Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote.  Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address.                                                                                                                 Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm      ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim.  My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by.  It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777.  He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church.  However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore.  His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where?  Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I retrieved a picture from being destroyed and on the back of the frame is Laura Stoner WOOD 1958 age 5 If anyone is connected to this family and would like to have this picture, please let me know. Bob

Hi Anne,      Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress.  People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days.  You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled.  Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled.  I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County.  I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet.  If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search.     Good luck.                                                                                                              Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions.  My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings.  It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters).

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