From the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission: Melish-Whiteside Maps, 1816-1821 A nice earlier map of Lancaster County showing township boundaries at the time: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-522WhitesideMaps/r017-Map3362-WhitesideLancaster%20(88-21).pdf

This is fascinating. There is a lawyer by the name of Bruce Dice who practices in Plum Boro, Allegheny Co. Pa. He is a very nice man, and was close to my father in law.? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: JoAnn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:28 am Subject: [PALANCAS] THEISS, DICE, SCHNEIDER I am descended from Peter Theiss b 1778 in Lancaster CO., PA. His father John died Apr 1788 in Brecknock Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. His mother was Elizabeth Catherine Aras Ressler who died in 1791 in Lancaster Co. In 1799 Peter married Christina Schneider in the Schwartwald Reformed Church in Berks Co., PA. They moved to Westmoreland Co., PA around 1800. The Westmoreland Co., PA German church baptismal record for their first son is THEYS. The next one is THEIS and others are DICE. My gg grandparents and subsequent generations used the surname DICE. They lived in Plum Twp., Allegheny Co., PA as well as Franklin Twp., Westmoreland Co and Burrell Twp., Armstrong Co., PA. I have found a birth record in Lancaster County that could be my John Dice: In the records of Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in Lancaster Co., PA there is a birth record for a Johann Deis born 18 Dec 1747. Parents were Johann and Anna Maria. Another child is listed to a Johannes and A. Maria, Casper Deis, born 27 Dec 1743 (records of the Moravian Church of Lancaster Co., PA). Source: John T. Humphrey, Pennsylvania Births: Lancaster Co., 1723-1777, (Humpfrey Publications; Washington, D. C. 1997). Is anyone familiar with this Lancaster Co., PA family? JoAnn Cupp Grass Valley, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I know this isn't going to be a help but I have a Fianna Sellers 1834-1892 md. to Christian Balmer b 1832----Christian was a well known wagon maker in Balmerstown, Lancaster County. They had the following children Milton, Annie, Emma,Martin,John, Wilson and Hayes--- they're buried in Carpenters cem. in Lancaster----There isn't any cem. records that I could find----- Christian had a sister Mary b in 1830. I have not researched alot on this family as I was trying to find Fiannas g-parents------ good-luck with your research- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl C. Rigdon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 Thanks ever, Jim. I had completely missed that the orphans court was involved. Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA --- On Mon, 2/2/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 2:01 AM Today's Topics: 1. Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster buried Berkstrasse Cemetery? (Cheryl C. Rigdon) 2. Re: Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster... ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:11:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Cheryl C. Rigdon" <[email protected]> Subject: [PALANCAS] Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster buried Berkstrasse Cemetery? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?I am a descendant?of Johan Martin Braun/Brown.? Others have listed Martin Brown as being buried in?Berkstrasse Cemetery.? I have not been able to locate his grave. ? Also, trying to reconcile that?two Johan Martin Braun's 1.? Johan Martin Braun?immigrated on Pink Mary Sept 1733--lists a child John Jacob, age 1; dau Ann Margaretha age 11; dau Catherina 3 3/4; Maria Christina, age 14. No wife listed.? ? 2.?A Martin Brown, age 34,?immigrated on the Snow Fox in October 1738.? Married Anna Catherina Heuser (Houser) 27 February 1739 and she died 1784.? ? Does anyone have any information about these Martin Braun/Brown's? ? Thank you. ? ?Haldeman/Brown surnames Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:51:17 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster... To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A Lancaster County Orphans Court record dated September 8, 1781, refers to Peter BROWN, Magdalena married to Jacob BALMER, Mary married to Conrad RUDY, and Christina married to Mathias ANGEL, all of whom were once minor children of Martin BROWN deceased. The will of Catharine BROWN, which was probated on December 30, 1784, mentions the above children plus Eva married to a SHILDNECHT, previously married to a SHAFFER, Margaret married to Christian BALMER, and Elizabeth married to Adam DILLER. The above children therefore belong to the Martin BROWN who arrived in 1738. Jim Ensinger ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) ------------------------------ To contact the PALANCAS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the PALANCAS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 *************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks ever, Jim.  I had completely missed that the orphans court was involved. Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA --- On Mon, 2/2/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 2:01 AM Today's Topics: 1. Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster buried Berkstrasse Cemetery? (Cheryl C. Rigdon) 2. Re: Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster... ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:11:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Cheryl C. Rigdon" <[email protected]> Subject: [PALANCAS] Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster buried Berkstrasse Cemetery? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?I am a descendant?of Johan Martin Braun/Brown.? Others have listed Martin Brown as being buried in?Berkstrasse Cemetery.? I have not been able to locate his grave. ? Also, trying to reconcile that?two Johan Martin Braun's 1.? Johan Martin Braun?immigrated on Pink Mary Sept 1733--lists a child John Jacob, age 1; dau Ann Margaretha age 11; dau Catherina 3 3/4; Maria Christina, age 14. No wife listed.? ? 2.?A Martin Brown, age 34,?immigrated on the Snow Fox in October 1738.? Married Anna Catherina Heuser (Houser) 27 February 1739 and she died 1784.? ? Does anyone have any information about these Martin Braun/Brown's? ? Thank you. ? ?Haldeman/Brown surnames Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:51:17 EST From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Johan Martin Brown b. 1703 Baden; d. 1760 Earl Twp.,Lancaster... To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" A Lancaster County Orphans Court record dated September 8, 1781, refers to Peter BROWN, Magdalena married to Jacob BALMER, Mary married to Conrad RUDY, and Christina married to Mathias ANGEL, all of whom were once minor children of Martin BROWN deceased. The will of Catharine BROWN, which was probated on December 30, 1784, mentions the above children plus Eva married to a SHILDNECHT, previously married to a SHAFFER, Margaret married to Christian BALMER, and Elizabeth married to Adam DILLER. The above children therefore belong to the Martin BROWN who arrived in 1738. Jim Ensinger ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) ------------------------------ To contact the PALANCAS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the PALANCAS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 19 ***************************************

A Lancaster County Orphans Court record dated September 8, 1781, refers to Peter BROWN, Magdalena married to Jacob BALMER, Mary married to Conrad RUDY, and Christina married to Mathias ANGEL, all of whom were once minor children of Martin BROWN deceased. The will of Catharine BROWN, which was probated on December 30, 1784, mentions the above children plus Eva married to a SHILDNECHT, previously married to a SHAFFER, Margaret married to Christian BALMER, and Elizabeth married to Adam DILLER. The above children therefore belong to the Martin BROWN who arrived in 1738. Jim Ensinger ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022)

 I am a descendant of Johan Martin Braun/Brown.  Others have listed Martin Brown as being buried in Berkstrasse Cemetery.  I have not been able to locate his grave.   Also, trying to reconcile that two Johan Martin Braun's 1.  Johan Martin Braun immigrated on Pink Mary Sept 1733--lists a child John Jacob, age 1; dau Ann Margaretha age 11; dau Catherina 3 3/4; Maria Christina, age 14. No wife listed.    2. A Martin Brown, age 34, immigrated on the Snow Fox in October 1738.  Married Anna Catherina Heuser (Houser) 27 February 1739 and she died 1784.    Does anyone have any information about these Martin Braun/Brown's?   Thank you.    Haldeman/Brown surnames Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA

I am descended from Peter Theiss b 1778 in Lancaster CO., PA. His father John died Apr 1788 in Brecknock Twp., Lancaster Co., PA. His mother was Elizabeth Catherine Aras Ressler who died in 1791 in Lancaster Co. In 1799 Peter married Christina Schneider in the Schwartwald Reformed Church in Berks Co., PA. They moved to Westmoreland Co., PA around 1800. The Westmoreland Co., PA German church baptismal record for their first son is THEYS. The next one is THEIS and others are DICE. My gg grandparents and subsequent generations used the surname DICE. They lived in Plum Twp., Allegheny Co., PA as well as Franklin Twp., Westmoreland Co and Burrell Twp., Armstrong Co., PA. I have found a birth record in Lancaster County that could be my John Dice: In the records of Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in Lancaster Co., PA there is a birth record for a Johann Deis born 18 Dec 1747. Parents were Johann and Anna Maria. Another child is listed to a Johannes and A. Maria, Casper Deis, born 27 Dec 1743 (records of the Moravian Church of Lancaster Co., PA). Source: John T. Humphrey, Pennsylvania Births: Lancaster Co., 1723-1777, (Humpfrey Publications; Washington, D. C. 1997). Is anyone familiar with this Lancaster Co., PA family? JoAnn Cupp Grass Valley, CA

> In the BLM, Are all records in blm or just the records people searched > for?. > I have searched in ILL. for 2 surnames and none of these names show any > records. > > This was in 1805 way before the civil war. > This was in GA. I don't know what requiremants applied. > HOBSON ARNOLD along with other Arnolds were on that list. > I am trying to find any information about Hobson and His wife Avy/Avie NIX. > Paul, The land transactions at the BLM website are only for the original patentees of land in the federal land states, that is, states that were added in purchases subsequent to the original colonies. The federal government acquired the land, and the original patentees bought parcels of land directly from the federal government. If you had ancestors in Illinois, they may or may not have been the original patentees. If they were, they should have a transaction listed at the BLM site. If they bought their land in Illinois from someone else, then they would not be listed at that site, there would be a deed at the county courthouse of the county where they purchased the land. If you are talking about someone who was in Georgia in 1805...if the person was a Revolutionary soldier serving from the state of Georgia, he probably got bounty land through the state of Georgia. Those records would be at the Georgia state archives. He would have been eligible for Federal bounty land if he served in the Continental Army, but that land would have been in the U.S. Military District in Ohio. If you're talking about an 1812 soldier who was in Georgia in 1805...yes, he could have gotten federal bounty land in IL, AR, or MO, or if he got bounty land later under the act of 1850 or 1855, he could have patented land in just about any other federal land state. If he got an 1812 land warrant, he should be listed as a "warrantee" at the BLM website. If he patented the land himself, he would be listed both as the warrantee and the patentee. If he sold the warrant, he would be listed as the warrantee, but some other person would be listed as the patentee. Peggy Reeves

Jim , I understand, but it is proof of service. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Bob, Land isn't the same as a pension, the land that Pa. gave was in the North West part of the state while it was largely unsettled and it didn't have much cash value. Few oldtimers wanted to move there and leave their families, those that sold to speculators didn't get much for the land. The speculators were the big winners, they bought these small parcels and bundled them into much larger pieces I think the Feds were giving land in Ohio and Indiana but again, not many wanted to leave their grown children and move there. Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Bob Todd <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:02:42 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Anne & Jim Don't forget to look for a land grant. There was an act in the 1850 if I remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had not received land. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, You shouldn't have to send for the information on Footnote, you should just be able to download it, that is when they ask for your email address. You can give it to them, I did and I only occasionally receive an ad from them about signing up for some of their pay information. The militia was organized by township, since he was married at First Reformed and had kids baptized there he probably lived in Lancaster Boro or Lancaster Twp., there is a smaller chance that it might be Manheim, Lampeter or Conestoga Twp. Most of the people in Manheim Twp. went to church in the Boro and Lampeter also since neither of these twps. had Reformed Churches, Conestoga did but if he lived in the part of Conestoga that would become Pequea Twp. he may have gone into the 1st Reformed church. The well know Peter Grubb lived in Lebanon Twp., it later became Lebanon County. If you can find a Peter Grob or Grubb who lived in the area surrounding Lancaster Boro, I think you would have found your guy. Do you know when he died ? To receive a pension for Revolutionary War service you had to live until 1832, when Congress finally agreed on having a pension, after most of the guys who served had died. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:51:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Jim, thank you for your suggestions. You are right about spelling. I have relatives with many degrees who still can't spell. Johann Peter Grob, age 14, is listed on the passenger list for the ship Chance (from Thaleischweiler) to Philadelphia in 1765, along with his mother and several of his siblings. His father died the year before. I find him listed as Grob, Grub, and Grubb on various church records. I did look at Footnote and saw some entries for one or more persons named Peter Grub on their Revol. War records, but I can't identify him from what I saw. Perhaps I should order each of the records? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, I wouldn't place two much stock i=on how he spelled his name, in searching in the 18th century its more important how he said his name since most names were spelled phoenetically. They were spelled as they sounded, if Peter Grob was German and his O and U sounded similiar his name could be spelled either way,. In Lancaster County there is a Tunkenmiller family who have branches who are called Dunkenmiller, Bletchers who are Pletchers. If you look in the printed Pa. Archives you'll see Pennsylvania spelled several ways, sometimes spelled with only one N. There were no fixed spellings for words until the 19th century when Webster did his dictionary and there was a model for how words were spelled. Many people in the 18th century couldn't read or write so they didn't have a clue as to what their name looked like when it was spelled correctly. That is why you need to both locate your ancestor in a township as well as be flexible about how he spelled his name. When I was a kid the Nuns used to beat spelling into us (I went to Catholic School) but in the 18th century that wasn't the case. If you guy could read and write he may have spelled his name for the tax collector or census taker but we don't know that. If he was married at the 1st Reformed Church in Lancaster then he did probably serve in the revolution. Pennsylvania had a draft law, passed in 1777. You either served or paid a fine and most of those who paid the fine were people from Peace churches, Quakers, Mennonites and Brethren. People subject to the draft were men between the ages of 18 and 53, the fact that his mother was still living suggests he was bwtween those ages. I would go to the link I sent last time (its also at the bottom of this message) and see if you can find Peter Grob, I looked for Grubbs. You might also check the U.S. Genweb page for Lancaster County to see if there is a will for his father in Lancaster County. Did you see the original information on the immigration ? Was his mother listed as one of the passengers on the ship he came on ? This might show if his father died in Europe or if he came with his son. The source for most immigration information is Pennsylvania German Pioneers, Immigrants to Philadelphia, 1727-1804 but these list don't always show the complete passenger list, sometimes they only show the males. There is a on-line source called Footnote http://www.footnote.com/ which includes the printed Pa. Archives. There are lots of information there for genealogists, tax lists, land warrentes, etc., but using Footnote isn't always easy. They have tons of stuff on their pages, the printed Pa. Arcives are free but finding them can be difficult. The best thing to do is go to their page and find a list of all the collections on their page and then click on the Pa. Archives. Once you pull up the Pa. Archives you can search for Peter Grob or Grubb. You might want to put the name in quotation marks so you only find only the Peter Grobs and not every listing for Peter. The printed Pa. Archives are a great source for anyone doing early Pennsylvania research, Most libraries in Pa. have copies but if you live elsewhere you might try footnote. Some of their material they charge for but the printed Pa. Archives are free, if you find something they will ask you for your email address. Jim Conesotga Area Historical Society for Pequea, Conestoga, Manor and Martic Townships as well as Washington Boro and Millersville. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 4:06:11 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thanks, Jim. My Peter's name was Grob, as was his mother and siblings, when he came to America in 1765 but I guess it changed as time went by. It was still Grob when he married in 1773 at the First Reformed Church in Lancaster, and when his first two children were baptized there in 1774 and 1777. He was in Baltimore by 1888 when a daughter was baptized at the Old Otterbein Church. However, it was recorded as Peter Grubb on the 1790 census for Baltimore. His obituary said he took up arms for his adopted country during the war, but my problem is....where? Lancaster seems most likely for the 1776-1783 period, but I can't find him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Hi Anne, Your probably not going to have much luck searching based only on a surname, you need to attach a location to the surname in order to make much progress. People didn't move around much in those days because a horse and wagon moved at about 3 miles per hour so a trip of 50 miles could take two or three days. You also can't rely too much on the name because it was often the person taking the information who was responsible for how the name was spelled, not the person who's name was being spelled. Often then didn't see or know how their name was spelled. I went to the Pa. Archives web page, link below http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13 and found three Peter Grubbs, one in Lancaster County, the well known one, on in Northampton County and a third in Washington County. I would check out the guy in Northampton County, you already know your guy isn't the guy in Lancaster County and Washington County is in the south west portion of the state and many settlers there were from Virginia, both Pa. and Virginia claimed that area, so Northampton County seems to be the best bet. If you know where your Peter Grubb's children were from you might be able to narrow down the search. Good luck. Jim ________________________________ From: Anne Kane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob Thank you, Bob and Pam, for your suggestions. My Peter Grob/Grubb was born in Germany in 1751 and came to Philadelphia in 1765 with his mother and siblings. It is hard to find records for him because his name is often confused with the Peter Grubb from Lancaster Co. who served as a Capt. and Colonel (a member of the Grubb family who had extensive land holdings and smelters). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, I meant to say that the father, PETER, is the one who probably got to Ohio on a Revolutionary War bounty land warrant. Son Jacob may have inherited the land or applied for the land warrant that would have been due to his father as the representative of his father's estate. Peggy Reeves

This was in 1805 way before the civil war. This was in GA. I don't know what requiremants applied. HOBSON ARNOLD along with other Arnolds were on that list. I am trying to find any information about Hobson and His wife Avy/Avie NIX. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Federal bounty land >I should qualify that. Only Civil War veterans who fought on the Union > side were eligible for homestead residency deductions. > >> Civil War veterans could deduct the number of years of service (up to >> four) from the residency requirements for homesteads. This was the case >> in Nebraska, and I'm sure in other states where the Homestead Act made >> public lands available. >> >> Marilyn >> >>> Bounty land was given by the feds for all wars up to, but not >>> including, the Civil War. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the BLM, Are all records in blm or just the records people searched for?. I have searched in ILL. for 2 surnames and none of these names show any records. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy K. Reeves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Revolutionary pensions and "canceled" 1812 bountyland > >> Bounty land is what it was called for the soldiers. I believe they could >> apply for it. One of mine turned down his bounty land - he had served in >> War of 1812! His certificate was marked 'cancelled' by the war office >> when I ordered his pension file! >> I guess he didn't want to relocate to where the land was (which wasn't >> shown in his file - only that he got 40 acres)! >> > Diane, > > Your soldier would have had to apply for the bounty land, and wouldn't > have applied if he didn't want it. If there was a bounty land warrant > in his pension file that was marked "canceled", it was probably because > it was incorrect and was reissued. Perhaps your soldier died before he > could patent land with the warrant, so it was sent back "canceled" and > reissued to his widow, or maybe he was issued one for 40 acres and it > was discovered that he was actually eligible for 80 acres. In any case, > I'll bet there was another one issued. Try going to the Bureau of Land > Management website at: www.glorecords.blm.gov Click on the bar where > it says: "search land patents". When the search screen comes up, click > on the tab that says "standard". Set the search so that it searches > "all states", and put in the name of your soldier/widow as the > "warrantee". If it comes up with a land patent, the "type" of > transaction should say something like: "scrip-warrant act". That will > tell you if there was another warrant, and if the soldier/widow actually > patented land or if another person was sold the warrant and patented > land with it. If there is any land transaction at all listed at that > site, there would be a file of documents relating to that transaction at > the National Archives, depending upon the "type" of transaction listed. > There would also be a surrendered warrant at NARA (like the one you saw > in the pension file), where the soldier or widow would have either > patented land, or signed the back of the warrant certificate selling it > to some other person. >> >> Heritage Quest has RW pensions which you can download for your soldier. >> These are the Federal ones. Some have widows of deceased soldiers, which >> were provided for in another Act in 1834 I think. >> > Heritage Quest has NARA microfilm M-805, which are the selected > documents only of the Federal Revolutionary War pension files, not the > complete files. Footnote has NARA microfilm M-804, which is the > "complete" Revolutionary War pension files. Unfortunately, there are > many missing images from the Footnote scans, and many pages that are not > legible because of the decrease in image quality when scanned from > microfilm. So while you can see whether or not a soldier was pensioned > (by the feds) at these sites, you can't always get complete or readable > images. > > Peggy Reeves > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anne, Regarding this: > His son Jacob Grob/Grubb (born 1777 in Lancaster) is listed as one of the > first settlers in Franklinton (now Columbus), Ohio, in 1797. If Jacob was a Revolutionary soldier and moved to OH in 1797, it sounds like he moved there on a Federal Revolutionary War bounty land warrant. Columbus is in present-day Franklin County, OH, which is part of the U.S. Military District where Revolutionary warrants were exchanged for land patents. You could confirm this by checking the "Federal Land Series" books by Clifford Neal Smith, at many research libraries. Peggy Reeves

> Bounty land is what it was called for the soldiers. I believe they could apply for it. One of mine turned down his bounty land - he had served in War of 1812! His certificate was marked 'cancelled' by the war office when I ordered his pension file! > I guess he didn't want to relocate to where the land was (which wasn't shown in his file - only that he got 40 acres)! > Diane, Your soldier would have had to apply for the bounty land, and wouldn't have applied if he didn't want it. If there was a bounty land warrant in his pension file that was marked "canceled", it was probably because it was incorrect and was reissued. Perhaps your soldier died before he could patent land with the warrant, so it was sent back "canceled" and reissued to his widow, or maybe he was issued one for 40 acres and it was discovered that he was actually eligible for 80 acres. In any case, I'll bet there was another one issued. Try going to the Bureau of Land Management website at: www.glorecords.blm.gov Click on the bar where it says: "search land patents". When the search screen comes up, click on the tab that says "standard". Set the search so that it searches "all states", and put in the name of your soldier/widow as the "warrantee". If it comes up with a land patent, the "type" of transaction should say something like: "scrip-warrant act". That will tell you if there was another warrant, and if the soldier/widow actually patented land or if another person was sold the warrant and patented land with it. If there is any land transaction at all listed at that site, there would be a file of documents relating to that transaction at the National Archives, depending upon the "type" of transaction listed. There would also be a surrendered warrant at NARA (like the one you saw in the pension file), where the soldier or widow would have either patented land, or signed the back of the warrant certificate selling it to some other person. > > Heritage Quest has RW pensions which you can download for your soldier. These are the Federal ones. Some have widows of deceased soldiers, which were provided for in another Act in 1834 I think. > Heritage Quest has NARA microfilm M-805, which are the selected documents only of the Federal Revolutionary War pension files, not the complete files. Footnote has NARA microfilm M-804, which is the "complete" Revolutionary War pension files. Unfortunately, there are many missing images from the Footnote scans, and many pages that are not legible because of the decrease in image quality when scanned from microfilm. So while you can see whether or not a soldier was pensioned (by the feds) at these sites, you can't always get complete or readable images. Peggy Reeves

I should qualify that. Only Civil War veterans who fought on the Union side were eligible for homestead residency deductions. > Civil War veterans could deduct the number of years of service (up to > four) from the residency requirements for homesteads. This was the case > in Nebraska, and I'm sure in other states where the Homestead Act made > public lands available. > > Marilyn > >> Bounty land was given by the feds for all wars up to, but not >> including, the Civil War. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hey Diana. Please contact me off list. Long time no hear. Ella (RITTER researcher from long ago) On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Diana Quinones <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bounty land is what it was called for the soldiers. I believe they could > apply for it. One of mine turned down his bounty land - he had served in > War of 1812! His certificate was marked 'cancelled' by the war office when > I ordered his pension file! > I guess he didn't want to relocate to where the land was (which wasn't > shown in his file - only that he got 40 acres)! > > Also, the State of PA had pensions also. Some of the men got that before > they filed under the Act of 1832......They needed at least 3 mos service to > qualify, I think. > > I have seen files where they stated they had not received a pension from > anywhere else, in the Federal pension file. And some stated they had > received one from PA. > > Heritage Quest has RW pensions which you can download for your soldier. > These are the Federal ones. Some have widows of deceased soldiers, which > were provided for in another Act in 1834 I think. > > > Diana in AL [email protected] > > > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:33:43 -0800 (PST) > > From: James Stokes > > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob > > > > Hi Bob, > > ????? Land isn't the same as a pension, the land that Pa. gave was in the > North West part of the state while it was largely unsettled and it didn't > have much cash value.? Few oldtimers wanted to move there and leave their > families, those that sold to speculators didn't get much for the land.? The > speculators were the big winners, they bought these small parcels and > bundled them into much larger pieces I think the Feds were giving land in > Ohio and Indiana but again, not many wanted to leave their grown children > and move there. > > > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > Jim > > Conestoga Area Historical Society > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bob Todd > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:02:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Peter Grob > > > > Anne & Jim > > > > Don't forget to look for a land grant.? There was an act in the 1850 if I > > remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had > > not received land. > > > > Good Luck, Todd > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Civil War veterans could deduct the number of years of service (up to four) from the residency requirements for homesteads. This was the case in Nebraska, and I'm sure in other states where the Homestead Act made public lands available. Marilyn > Bounty land was given by the feds for all wars up to, but not > including, the Civil War.

Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions as to how I might locate a record of Peter's military service. I know he was in or near Lancaster during the period 1773-1777 and in Baltimore from about 1785 to around the turn of the century. He and his brother Michael Grob were founding members of Old Otterbein Church there. His son Jacob Grob/Grubb (born 1777 in Lancaster) is listed as one of the first settlers in Franklinton (now Columbus), Ohio, in 1797. I don't know whether Peter moved there also at that time but his 16 yr. old daughter married there in 1806. Peter was listed as a juror in the Ohio Supreme Court Records in 1810. He died in Columbus Oct. 21, 1830. His obituary stated "Mr. Grubb was a native of Germany, but came to America when he was about 14 years of age, and settled in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. In the war of the revolution, he took up arms in favor of his adopted country, and supported her cause with all the ardor of an American." His obituary also appeared in The Berks and Schuykill Journal of Reading, Pennsylvania but I don't know why. I will follow the suggestions and try to find his service record.

> Don't forget to look for a land grant.? There was an act in the 1850 if I > remember correctly, that gave the heirs land grants if their ancestor had > not received land. > > Good Luck, Todd Yes, this is good advice. Federal bounty land is a much-overlooked source of information. Revolutionary soldiers received warrants good for land in the Military District of Ohio, which was roughly in the middle of the state as we know it today, in the present-day counties of (or parts of): Franklin, Delaware, Marion, Morrow, Knox, Licking, Holmes, Coshocton, Muskingum, Tuscarawas, Guernsey, Columbiana, Harrison, and Nobel. For the War of 1812, the federal government gave out warrants that could be exchanged for land patents in the newly acquired area (acquired in the Louisiana Purchase) of what is now Missouri, Arkansas, and Illinois. Bounty land was given by the feds for all wars up to, but not including, the Civil War. For the later wars, bounty land warrants could be exchanged for land patents anywhere in the public domain. As mentioned, there were later bounty land acts. The acts of 1850 and 1855 made some veterans eligible for bounty land for the first time, and gave additional bounty land to those who had previously received warrants for their service--whatever it took to bring their total to 160 acres. These acts of 1850 and 1855 were retroactive and applied to all veterans of all wars, including the Revolution, and yes, widows and heirs could receive this benefit if their soldier husbands/fathers were already dead. Most of them who were eligible did apply, because the land warrant was a benefit that could be sold for cash if they didn't want the land. Some of these applications for additional bounty land were filed in with the pension files if the soldier/widow was pensioned, but for those who were not pensioned there would be a separate bounty land file at the National Archives in D.C. The bounty land files would have a declaration for bounty land that gives the claimant's name, address, age, and other information. A soldier would have to prove his service by giving enlistment and discharge information and naming his commanding officers. Widows also had to prove the soldier's service, often doing so with a discharge paper or affidavits from comrades. Widows additionally had to give proof of marriage (including maiden name). Heirs had to prove the service of the soldier and their relationship to him. Peggy Reeves

Jim, There was an act in 1818 that allowed needy soldiers to receive pension (from the feds, not the state). Some were dropped from the rolls in 1820, but could be reinstated if they provided an inventory of their estate to prove their need. Peggy Reeves > Hi Peggy, > ???? Yes, there were pensions before 1832 but they?helped only a small fraction of the people who served.? Officers who had died in service or people who were maimed but managed to survive.? I know Lancaster County provided a pension for a Captain who died in service.? Still, the average guy didn't have a chance to receive a pension, you had to live to your 70s to qualify and not many people lived to that great age in those days.? Not to mention, all the people who can certify that you actually served had already died.? Of the 10 or 12 Revolutionary War soldiers in my genealogy, only 1 received a pension. > ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Jim > For more on Revolutionary War service visit > The Conestoga Area Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm