There is also the possibility that some of the left out children had already received their portions of the estate and that everyone knew it, and that the will distributed those portions that remained to be given out. It's not an unknown quantity in historic probates. Karen In a message dated 3/21/2009 2:48:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County Orphan's Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: Mary Ann (or Polly) wife of Henry Gill Adam Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) Daniel Elizabeth wife of John Michael of City of Lancaster Samuel Henry Sarah wife of George Trissler and later Philip Baker Philip Mary Ann Magdalina His widow was Sarah. Her father was Adam and her mother was Salome Diller. The last four children above were listed in Sarah Dietrick's probate 1847. Evidentally, first 6 children were by other marriage(s). Catherine was alive and married a second time to Sutton L. Hunter which indicates that she was not daughter of Sarah. Above names listed more than one time in Henry's probate and also as heirs of Henry's father, Philip Dietrick, also in Orphans Court. I am looking for other descendants of this family. Can anyone add to my information? I have extensive information about Catherine and I will share with other "cousins." PAT SHIVELY ELMORE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

Notes left by elderly aunt who died about 25 years ago stated that Catherine Dietrich was an only child. Was it ever a surprise when I found 9 siblings or half siblings! My thoughts are that she was the only child of one of Henry Dietrich's marriages and she was half sister to all the rest. PAT SHIVELY ELMORE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DIETRICH > There is also the possibility that some of the left out children had > already > received their portions of the estate and that everyone knew it, and that > the will distributed those portions that remained to be given out. It's > not an > unknown quantity in historic probates. > > Karen > > > In a message dated 3/21/2009 2:48:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County > Orphan's > Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: > > Mary Ann (or Polly) wife of Henry Gill > Adam > Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) > Daniel > Elizabeth wife of John Michael of City of Lancaster > Samuel > Henry > Sarah wife of George Trissler and later Philip Baker > Philip > Mary Ann Magdalina > > His widow was Sarah. Her father was Adam and her mother was Salome > Diller. > The last four children above were listed in Sarah Dietrick's probate > 1847. > Evidentally, first 6 children were by other marriage(s). Catherine was > alive > and married a second time to Sutton L. Hunter which indicates that she > was not > daughter of Sarah. > > Above names listed more than one time in Henry's probate and also as > heirs > of Henry's father, Philip Dietrick, also in Orphans Court. > > I am looking for other descendants of this family. Can anyone add to my > information? I have extensive information about Catherine and I will > share with > other "cousins." > PAT SHIVELY ELMORE > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for > Under > $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 3/20/2009 7:01 PM

Have not idea who John Michael's parents were. I have tried to find him and wife in 1850 census in Pennsylvania. May have died, however, Elizabeth was alive in 1848 when she signed receipts for money from estate of father, Henry. Are you a descendant of John and Elizabeth (Dietrich) Michael? PAT SHIVELY ELMORE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DIETRICH > Is that John Michael the son of John Michael and Sarah Hallacher? > > Mike > > > In a message dated 3/21/2009 3:48:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County > Orphan's > Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: > > Mary Ann (or Polly) wife of Henry Gill > Adam > Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) > Daniel > Elizabeth wife of John Michael of City of Lancaster > Samuel > Henry > Sarah wife of George Trissler and later Philip Baker > Philip > Mary Ann Magdalina > > His widow was Sarah. Her father was Adam and her mother was Salome > Diller. > The last four children above were listed in Sarah Dietrick's probate > 1847. > Evidentally, first 6 children were by other marriage(s). Catherine was > alive > and married a second time to Sutton L. Hunter which indicates that she > was not > daughter of Sarah. > > Above names listed more than one time in Henry's probate and also as > heirs > of Henry's father, Philip Dietrick, also in Orphans Court. > > I am looking for other descendants of this family. Can anyone add to my > information? I have extensive information about Catherine and I will > share with > other "cousins." > PAT SHIVELY ELMORE > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 3/20/2009 7:01 PM

Arhart Simmerman from Wythe County, Virginia. Have names of parents, siblings, etc. You would think that Arhart was an unusual name and you would not have trouble with old records, however, there were more than one in Wythe County!! Thank you. PAT SHIVELY ELMORE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DIETRICH > >> I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County >> Orphan's Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: >> >> Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) > > Arhart Simmerman > > I am wondering if you have tried the Simmerman path? Was the name actually > Simmerman or Zimmerman? There were a few Zimmerman's in Frederick Co, MD, > Washington Co, MD and I think I came across it in Carroll Co, MD as > well... > > Thanks > Janet > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 3/20/2009 7:01 PM

Is that John Michael the son of John Michael and Sarah Hallacher? Mike In a message dated 3/21/2009 3:48:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County Orphan's Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: Mary Ann (or Polly) wife of Henry Gill Adam Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) Daniel Elizabeth wife of John Michael of City of Lancaster Samuel Henry Sarah wife of George Trissler and later Philip Baker Philip Mary Ann Magdalina His widow was Sarah. Her father was Adam and her mother was Salome Diller. The last four children above were listed in Sarah Dietrick's probate 1847. Evidentally, first 6 children were by other marriage(s). Catherine was alive and married a second time to Sutton L. Hunter which indicates that she was not daughter of Sarah. Above names listed more than one time in Henry's probate and also as heirs of Henry's father, Philip Dietrick, also in Orphans Court. I am looking for other descendants of this family. Can anyone add to my information? I have extensive information about Catherine and I will share with other "cousins." PAT SHIVELY ELMORE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62)

> I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County > Orphan's Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: > > Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) Arhart Simmerman I am wondering if you have tried the Simmerman path? Was the name actually Simmerman or Zimmerman? There were a few Zimmerman's in Frederick Co, MD, Washington Co, MD and I think I came across it in Carroll Co, MD as well... Thanks Janet

I am descendant of Henry Dietrick. His probate in Lancaster County Orphan's Court beginning 1827. His listed heirs were: Mary Ann (or Polly) wife of Henry Gill Adam Catherine wife of Arhart Simmerman (of Cumberland County, Kentucky) Daniel Elizabeth wife of John Michael of City of Lancaster Samuel Henry Sarah wife of George Trissler and later Philip Baker Philip Mary Ann Magdalina His widow was Sarah. Her father was Adam and her mother was Salome Diller. The last four children above were listed in Sarah Dietrick's probate 1847. Evidentally, first 6 children were by other marriage(s). Catherine was alive and married a second time to Sutton L. Hunter which indicates that she was not daughter of Sarah. Above names listed more than one time in Henry's probate and also as heirs of Henry's father, Philip Dietrick, also in Orphans Court. I am looking for other descendants of this family. Can anyone add to my information? I have extensive information about Catherine and I will share with other "cousins." PAT SHIVELY ELMORE

Jacob Mumma on the ship Pennsylvania Merchant, Sept. 11,1731 Palatines. Lenhart Mumma Sept. 19, 1732 Palatines imported in the ship Johnson of London. Also on that ship is a Anthoni Mumma listed as being under16. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers/Nancy > Nancy > > May I so bold to ask for a lookup in your book. Thoudand Names of > Immigrants > in PA 1727-1776 by Rupp. I am researching the surname MOOMEY. During that > period it was also spelled MUMMA/MUMMAW/MUMU/MUMMY/ etc/ I believe the > fathers > name was John George, George or Lenhart or many even John. I believed > they > might have come over on the ship Merchant. I believe it was before 1731. > > Thanks so much for your help. > > Avie > **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I didn't find Simon but I did find a Catarina and Joseph Earl Township Catarina Ritter of Joseph Ritter b March 10, 1748 bapt. March 14,1748. Sponsors Antonius Ellenecker (Ellmecker) and Catarina Ringer. I fond quite a few of Ritters on the ship lists but no Simon---sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie Welty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > Nancy, > > Would you please look up Simon Ritter? Actually, I think there were two > of > them in Lancaster county. > > Thanks, > Bobbie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> > To: "JoAnn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > > >> JoAnn, I have a book called Thirty Thousand Names of Immigrants in PA >> 1727-1776 by Rupp, which includes ship lists-------if you need a look-up >> I'll be glad to do that for you--- >> >> nancy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JoAnn" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers >> >> >>> Nancy, >>> Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 is >>> a >>> book we can access? >>> Thank you. >>> JoAnn Cupp >>> Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >>> >>> >>>>I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German >>>> Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a >>>> Johannes Burchhalter SR >>>> Johannes Burchhalter, Jr >>>> Abraham Burchhalter >>>> >>>> Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 >>>> and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter >>>> Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. >>>> I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on >>>> the >>>> ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate >>>> and >>>> Zweibrucken--- >>>> >>>> good luck in your research >>>> nancy >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM >>>> Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born >>>>> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >>>>> Lancaster >>>>> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >>>>> died >>>>> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he >>>>> was >>>>> a >>>>> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Margie >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for all your efforts, Nancy. I appreciate you. Bobbie --- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers >I didn't find Simon but I did find a Catarina and Joseph > Earl Township Catarina Ritter of Joseph Ritter b March 10, 1748 bapt. > March > 14,1748. Sponsors Antonius Ellenecker (Ellmecker) and Catarina Ringer. > I fond quite a few of Ritters on the ship lists but no Simon---sorry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobbie Welty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > > >> Nancy, >> >> Would you please look up Simon Ritter? Actually, I think there were two >> of >> them in Lancaster county. >> >> Thanks, >> Bobbie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> >> To: "JoAnn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers >> >> >>> JoAnn, I have a book called Thirty Thousand Names of Immigrants in PA >>> 1727-1776 by Rupp, which includes ship lists-------if you need a look-up >>> I'll be glad to do that for you--- >>> >>> nancy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "JoAnn" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers >>> >>> >>>> Nancy, >>>> Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 >>>> is >>>> a >>>> book we can access? >>>> Thank you. >>>> JoAnn Cupp >>>> Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >>>> >>>> >>>>>I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German >>>>> Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a >>>>> Johannes Burchhalter SR >>>>> Johannes Burchhalter, Jr >>>>> Abraham Burchhalter >>>>> >>>>> Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 >>>>> and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter >>>>> Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. >>>>> I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on >>>>> the >>>>> ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate >>>>> and >>>>> Zweibrucken--- >>>>> >>>>> good luck in your research >>>>> nancy >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM >>>>> Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was >>>>>> born >>>>>> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >>>>>> Lancaster >>>>>> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >>>>>> died >>>>>> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he >>>>>> was >>>>>> a >>>>>> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Margie >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 6:17:40 -0500 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born about 1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in Lancaster Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He died 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was a son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Margie > > > ------------------------------ > > George Burkholder, born c. 1730-1750 was the son of Abraham Burkholder > and his wife, Barbara Kendig. They also had sons named Christian, > Isaac, Johannes and Henry. Abraham Burkholder was the grandson of > Ulrich Burkholder, Mennonite bishop in Sumiswald, Switzerland. > Abraham's father was Hans Burkholder, Mennonite preacher, and one of > the earliest settlers to Conestoga Twp (1717) in Lancaster Co. > Abraham Burkholder obtained land at the mouth of Pequea Creek where he > and his family operated a ferry across the Susquehanna to Lower > Chanceford Twp in York County. He also owned the large island lying > between these two locations, known successively as Burkholder's > Island, Mundorf's Island, and now, Weise Island. Examination of early > tax records for Conestoga and Chanceford Twps indicates that Christian > and Isaac Burkholder, sons of Abraham, owned property on both sides of > the Susquehanna. You might want to check early Lower Chanceford Twp > records also to see whether your George Burkholder is listed. He > could be a grandson or great-grandson of Abraham and Barbara Burkholder. Other sons of Hans Burkholder, Johannes and Jacob, immigrated to Conestoga Twp; however, I do not further information about them. This family is fairly well documented, I believe. Anita Camplese

Nancy May I so bold to ask for a lookup in your book. Thoudand Names of Immigrants in PA 1727-1776 by Rupp. I am researching the surname MOOMEY. During that period it was also spelled MUMMA/MUMMAW/MUMU/MUMMY/ etc/ I believe the fathers name was John George, George or Lenhart or many even John. I believed they might have come over on the ship Merchant. I believe it was before 1731. Thanks so much for your help. Avie **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005)

Maybe not but the 1992 edition of PA German Pioneers DOES include vol. 2 with the copies of the signatures. Joan In a message dated 3/14/2009 9:15:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This book was originally published in 1934 as three volumes, with Volume II being photostats of the lists. These photostats were not included in the reprints of 1966, 1975 or 1980.

Yo'll If I remember correctly, the members of the 1717 Mennonite migration who settled in Conestoga Twp then part of Chester County are listed in the 1718 Conestoga Twp Tax List on the Chester County site. Can't put my hands on the address right now. Good Luck, Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoAnn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > Nancy, > Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 is a > book we can access? > Thank you. > JoAnn Cupp > Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > > >>I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German >> Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a >> Johannes Burchhalter SR >> Johannes Burchhalter, Jr >> Abraham Burchhalter >> >> Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 >> and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter >> Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. >> I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on the >> ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate and >> Zweibrucken--- >> >> good luck in your research >> nancy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM >> Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >> >> >>> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born >>> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >>> Lancaster >>> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >>> died >>> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was >>> a >>> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>> Margie >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy, Would you please look up Simon Ritter? Actually, I think there were two of them in Lancaster county. Thanks, Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> To: "JoAnn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > JoAnn, I have a book called Thirty Thousand Names of Immigrants in PA > 1727-1776 by Rupp, which includes ship lists-------if you need a look-up > I'll be glad to do that for you--- > > nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JoAnn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > > >> Nancy, >> Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 is >> a >> book we can access? >> Thank you. >> JoAnn Cupp >> Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >> >> >>>I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German >>> Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a >>> Johannes Burchhalter SR >>> Johannes Burchhalter, Jr >>> Abraham Burchhalter >>> >>> Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 >>> and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter >>> Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. >>> I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on >>> the >>> ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate >>> and >>> Zweibrucken--- >>> >>> good luck in your research >>> nancy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM >>> Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >>> >>> >>>> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born >>>> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >>>> Lancaster >>>> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >>>> died >>>> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was >>>> a >>>> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>>> Margie >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Spelling and phonetics can be confusing. Consider the following; "Pennsylvania German Pioneers; a Publication of the Original Lists of Arrivals in the Port of Philadelphia from 1727 to 1808" Strassburger, Ralph Beaver; Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co.; 1980; 325.243 in the Dallas library. This book was originally published in 1934 as three volumes, with Volume II being photostats of the lists. These photostats were not included in the reprints of 1966, 1975 or 1980. However, the Dallas Library does have the photostat volume in a reference location; ask a librarian. The lists for the ship Brothers, arriving at Philadelphia on 30 Sep 1754 from Rotterdam via Cowes, England, under the command of Capt. William Muir, are found on pages starting with 609 ( Volume 1, Part 3 ). There are three lists, one prepared by someone on the ship (the Captain's list, A), the second, B, prepared from the signers of the 'Oath of Allegiance' and the third, C, prepared from the signers of the 'Oath of Abjuration'. Lists B and C were prepared from the actual signatures of the immigrants as shown in Volume II of the original issue. The front matter of the book says that a clerk recorded the names of those who could not write and who signed with a 'mark'. A parenthetical indicator is used for those who used a mark. Further, the book says that the handwriting of the clerk from list B was different from the clerk who recorded list C. The Captain’s list shows someone named Ab’m Browbacker with the notation that the name had been crossed out and a note added “ N. Lander” which the author explains means “Newlander”. A newlander was the rough equivalent of the 20th century immigrant smuggler, usually someone who returned to Europe from America and shepherded a new boatload of immigrants to the new world. See the explanation in Diffenderffer’s book, “The German Immigration into Pennsylvania Through the Port of Philadelphia from 1700 to 1775 and The Redemptioners”. Comparison of the name “Browbacker” on List A of Strassburger with the names on Lists B and C … where the immigrants signed their names … suggests that Ab’m’s name really was Prubacher but it had been misunderstood by the Englishman who made the list. List A names three ‘Browbacker’ men; Ab’m, age 21; Jacob, age 21 and Jacob age 29. Lists B and C, made when the immigrants signed the Oaths, both include two ‘Prubacher’ men; Johann Jacob and Jacob. The Newlander Ab’m Prubacher does not appear on these lists, presumably because he had accepted the oaths at some earlier time. I know nothing about the Brubaker or Prubacher family, but my ancestor also was on this ship and his name was similarly transformed when it was anglicized. DICK FOLKERTH Dallas --- On Sat, 3/14/09, James Stokes <[email protected]> wrote: > From: James Stokes <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:53 PM > Hi Margie, >      I would check the 1790 census for Lancaster County > to see if there is a Christian Brubaker listed for > Lancaster County.  On the Lancaster County Gen web page > there are three, >  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~palanca2/ > They were located in Earl Twp., Manheim Twp. and Cocalico > Twp.  I would narrow my focus and see if I can find > marriages for Christian and Ann Groff Brubaker and also for > George and his wife since he was probably married in > Lancaster County.  Seldom do young men move to a new area > without being married.  Usually if they did this it was > because they were too young to be married and they moved > with their father.  You might check the 1790 census for > Lycoming Co. to see if there were other Brubakers there. >      Do you know where George went to church in > Lycoming Co ?  Where is he buried ?  This might give you a > clue as to where to look for baptism records, unless he was > Mennonite. >      The U.S. genweb page for Lancaster County includes > an index to wills, I thought they had the actual wills, but > apparently not.  It doesn't show a will for a Christian > Brubaker.  It does include a Brubaker genealogy but its a > scanned image file and so isn't searchable but it might > be worth looking through. >      Its tough to find the earliest ancestors of many > early families, so my suggestion would be to focus down on > tax lists, land records, etc. to see if you can find > something.  Look at the three townships, to see if you can > find a George who pops up about 1808, when he might likely > marry, and show up in that townships tax list before > disappearing.  Do you know when he shows up in Lycoming Co. > ? >                                                                                                                            > Jim > > Conestoga Area Historical Society > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17:40 AM > Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > > Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. > He was born abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented > writings that it was in Lancaster Co. and that he was a son > of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He died 1864 in > Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he > was a son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks, Margie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

JoAnn, I have a book called Thirty Thousand Names of Immigrants in PA 1727-1776 by Rupp, which includes ship lists-------if you need a look-up I'll be glad to do that for you--- nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoAnn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Swiss and German Settlers > Nancy, > Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 is a > book we can access? > Thank you. > JoAnn Cupp > Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > > >>I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German >> Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a >> Johannes Burchhalter SR >> Johannes Burchhalter, Jr >> Abraham Burchhalter >> >> Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 >> and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter >> Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. >> I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on the >> ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate and >> Zweibrucken--- >> >> good luck in your research >> nancy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM >> Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >> >> >>> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born >>> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >>> Lancaster >>> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >>> died >>> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was >>> a >>> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >>> Margie >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margie,      I would check the 1790 census for Lancaster County to see if there is a Christian Brubaker listed for Lancaster County.  On the Lancaster County Gen web page there are three,  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~palanca2/ They were located in Earl Twp., Manheim Twp. and Cocalico Twp.  I would narrow my focus and see if I can find marriages for Christian and Ann Groff Brubaker and also for George and his wife since he was probably married in Lancaster County.  Seldom do young men move to a new area without being married.  Usually if they did this it was because they were too young to be married and they moved with their father.  You might check the 1790 census for Lycoming Co. to see if there were other Brubakers there.      Do you know where George went to church in Lycoming Co ?  Where is he buried ?  This might give you a clue as to where to look for baptism records, unless he was Mennonite.      The U.S. genweb page for Lancaster County includes an index to wills, I thought they had the actual wills, but apparently not.  It doesn't show a will for a Christian Brubaker.  It does include a Brubaker genealogy but its a scanned image file and so isn't searchable but it might be worth looking through.      Its tough to find the earliest ancestors of many early families, so my suggestion would be to focus down on tax lists, land records, etc. to see if you can find something.  Look at the three townships, to see if you can find a George who pops up about 1808, when he might likely marry, and show up in that townships tax list before disappearing.  Do you know when he shows up in Lycoming Co. ?                                                                                                                            Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17:40 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in Lancaster Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He died 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was a son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Margie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, Can you tell us if Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster Co. in 1719 is a book we can access? Thank you. JoAnn Cupp Theiss, Deiss, Schneider, Mueller in Lancaster Co., PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder >I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German > Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a > Johannes Burchhalter SR > Johannes Burchhalter, Jr > Abraham Burchhalter > > Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 > and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter > Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. > I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on the > ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate and > Zweibrucken--- > > good luck in your research > nancy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM > Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > > >> Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born >> abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in >> Lancaster >> Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He >> died >> 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was a >> son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >> Margie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know this will probably not help but I found under Swiss and German Settlers in Lancaster County in 1719 a Johannes Burchhalter SR Johannes Burchhalter, Jr Abraham Burchhalter Then I found a Ulrich Burkhalter on the ship Norris May 15 1732 and on the shipRichmond and Elizabeth Sept. 28, 1733 a Hans Peter Burchhalter he's under 16 along with a Ulrich Burghalter. I then found a Christian Burckhalter along with a Hans Burckhalter on the ship Phoenix Oct. 1, 1754 with Inhabitants from Franconia, Palatinate and Zweibrucken--- good luck in your research nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] George Burkhholder > Hi-I am trying to locate the parents of George Burkholder. He was born > abt.1783-in PA. I have seen undocumented writings that it was in Lancaster > Co. and that he was a son of Christian and Anna(Groff) Burkholder. He died > 1864 in Lycoming Co. Does anyone know of this man and if in fact he was a > son of C & A Burkholder? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, > Margie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >