Sue- I have a similar situation to the one you describe. My approved DAR ancestor who I joined on is Frederick LEADER, Pvt., who served from Lancaster County, PA, and died in York County. All of that documentation was approved with my original application. Frederick's son, Joseph LEADER (my line), married Catherine KING/KONIG. Catherine's grandfather, Philip Jacob KING/KONIG was a Capt. in the York County militia during the Revolution and is also on the approved DAR ancestor list. I'd only need to supply the proofs and lineage to prove Catherine's parents and prove that Peter KING (her father) is the son of Capt. Philip Jacob KING. Luckily for me--a cousin has already had a supplemental approved that includes the proofs for everything from Catherine on back to Philip Jacob KING...so I don't know why I'm procrastinating. <g> All I need to do is file the paperwork and refer to the proofs on file. Joan In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:09:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Pam, Thanks for the info. I am going to file for a DAR Supplemental using the info on Thos. Barkley/Barclay. My original membership was under his father-in-law Samuel Kirkpatrick so the generational documentation down to me has already been done. Sue

Hi Pam, Thanks for the info. I am going to file for a DAR Supplemental using the info on Thos. Barkley/Barclay. My original membership was under his father-in-law Samuel Kirkpatrick so the generational documentation down to me has already been done. Sue **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

Sue, Providing supplies for use during the Rev War is definitely considered "patriotic service" by the DAR. Below is a link to the DAR public site which contains information about what qualifies as service. http://www.dar.org/natsociety/content.cfm?ID=145&hd=n&FO=Y Another thing that qualifies, and is often overlooked, is payment of the Supply Tax.. Good luck with your application! Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] from Sue Gardner Shreve > > > > > Is this reference shown below considered Revolutionary War PATRIOTIC > SERVICE for > Thos. BARKLEY? > > "Minutes of the Provincial Council of Pennsylvania > Vol. X > page - 328 - > Minutes of the Council of Safety > Aug, 31, 1775 at a Meeting of the Committee of Safety > > "Robert Towers Commissary, Reports having received & Stored from the > City > > Committee the hands of Thos. BARKLEY - 94cwt, 3 qr. 20 lbs. of lead. > > ANY HELP WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED. > > [email protected] > > > > > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 > or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your Replies I tried to contact the person that posted but no luck. I even tried thru Roots web but still no luck. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 DOCUMENTATION ATTN Anne > Paul > > I sure wouldn't rely on family trees. Especially undocumented ones. My > cousin put some completely wrong information into the LDS files, and now > people are picking up on that and thinking it's correct. You need > tombstone information, wills, land records, birth/death certificates, > marriage certificates, bible records, military service records. Those > type of documents are better. However, even they can be in error. They > are all only as trustworthy as the person who gave the information. For > example, a son or grandson or nephew, etc. might provide the information > for a death certificate and he/she might not be sure but will give some > number, and there you have a bad reference on an official document. > Get as much evidence as you can and go with the general consensus. > Court documents are a little better. > > WEST wrote: >> When I search for kin at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi >> and other places and find certain information and they show their Source >> but >> their source in incorrect. >> How do you know what information is correct? >> >> RE; One Individual b abt 1829 [his father died 1828] He married in >> 1829. >> >> >> >> Sources: >> 1.. Title: Ancestry Family Trees >> Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations >> Network. >> Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. >> Note: >> This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree >> files. This source citation points you to a current version of those >> files. >> Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed >> information >> since this source citation was created. >> Page: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family >> Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those >> files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed >> information since this source citation was >> Note: >> Text: >> http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=37812&pid=-1350969327 >> >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Kane" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 >> >> >> >>> Joan is correct. A "source" is where I obtained information. >>> "Documentation" is what I have to back it up for proof. >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is this reference shown below considered Revolutionary War PATRIOTIC SERVICE for Thos. BARKLEY? "Minutes of the Provincial Council of Pennsylvania Vol. X page - 328 - Minutes of the Council of Safety Aug, 31, 1775 at a Meeting of the Committee of Safety "Robert Towers Commissary, Reports having received & Stored from the City Committee the hands of Thos. BARKLEY - 94cwt, 3 qr. 20 lbs. of lead. ANY HELP WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED. [email protected] **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

Hi Janell,       You seem to have your data undercontrol but maybe you don't feel completely comfortable with it.  What you might do is check the census indexes from 1790 to 1870 and track your Jacob and Henry from Rapho to Dauphin County.  You might also check to see home many Jacob Schreids show up in the census index in the same townships, there is probably only one.  If you find Jacob disappearing from the census that will give you a rough idea of when he died.        Sometimes in German sources they add an "en" or "in" at the end of a name to designate the feminine.  So the question mark might be raising that point, Guttululin (?)   There still seem to be differences between Barbara's last name and her sisters name (Gutterer and Guttulin), maybe that is just a transcription error.  You might look in the records to see if in other baptisms a relationship is revealed, like Aunt or Sister.        Since names were often spelled phoenetically during this period, not everyone could read and write, it sometimes helps to pronounce the name and the variant spellings to make sure they are in the ball park.        If you track these people in the census, to see when Jacob disappears, does his wife ever appear in the census as a widow ?  Are they buried at Zion Church in Manheim ?      Good luck.                                                                                                                     Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Janell Amos <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:29:24 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] Shride/Schriet/Etc. I have been on this mailing list for some time but not posted before.  I have benefitted from a number of your research suggestions and leads to others. The following information is about the ancestors I am researching; I am searching for Jacob's parents and any other information on the family.  I am buried in information and multiple spellings and first names of possible relatives. Any information or advice you have will be sincerely appreciated. I definitely need a source that would help me understand how the township names and lines have changed at various times between the Rev. War and about 1830 between Lancaster, Dauphin, and Lebanon.. I have a few maps and some lists that make it clear I need more information. >From the book PENNSLYVANIA GERMAN MARRIAGES, First Reformed Church 1736-1806: Schreid, Jacob of Rapho, Catharine Gutterer, Warrick 6 May 1783. In Lancaster County, PA, Church Records of the 18th Century, Vol. 1 - Manheim Reformed Church page 63: Birth Record - Elisabeth of Jacob Schreit and wife, b. August 8, 17??, Bapt. April 8, 1791.  Sponsor Barbara Guttulin (another source of this had Barbara's last name Guttululin (?) with a note that the question mark is from compiler). I believe Barbara is Catharine's sister. In Vol. II of Abstracts of Lancaster Co. PA Wills 1786-1820 page 78: Will dated 16 Oct. 1794, proved 23 Jan. 1801, Goddettle, Michael; wife Margaret Goddettle; Ex:  Henryt Rassman and Jacob Schrit. . . Rapho Twp. Henrich Schriet's birth record is in the book ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH 1798-1837; Henrich, son of Jacob and Catharina Schriet b. 13 Feb 1800/baptized 6 April 1801. The 1860 census of Lancaster County (page 746) Mount Joy Twp. shows Henry Shride 59 laborer born Penn./wife Polly Shride/58 years old.  They have a Henry Musselman aged 10 living with them.  These two entries tie the Shride name to the Schriet spelling. There is a George Shride in the 1870 Dauphin Co. PA census, page 551, Middle Paxton Township, who was a 68 year old farm laborer born in PA who was living at the farm of Henry Howard age 33.  This makes George born about 1802. The 1810 Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA Census has  Shride, Jacob with 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-15; 1 male over 45; and 1 female over 45.  There is a marriage record of a Barbara Schride married 1808 to Richard Waeth.  Another researcher has a Barbara Schride married to Richard Wage Jr. who was born and died in Dauphin Co. PA with wife Barbara born in PA of German parentage.  Richard Wade lives by Jacob Shride (only one name between them) in the 1810 census of Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA.  Jacob is identified as being from Rapho in his 1783 marriage record and as one of the Ex. of his father-in-law Michael's will in 1794.  The tax list for Rapho 1790 seems to present one possible listing for Jacob.  Jacob Strite:  1 male over 16  (Jacob), 2 males under 16 (2 unknown sons), 3 females. In 1790 Jacob Strite is living next door to Henry Strite. Janell Janell Amos <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the key question. "How do you know what information is correct? I suggest reading Elizabeth Shown Mills' Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian. She has other books also, which will help to know how to properly analyze and cite your sources and documentation. On page 18 of Evidence! she lists 13 guidelines for documentation. Those which I think apply to this discussion are: 1. Any statement of fact that is not common knowledge must carry its own individual statement of source. 2. Source notes hae two purposes: to record the specific location of each piece of data and to record details that affect the use or evaluation of that data. 9. We should not cite sources we have not used; it is both risky and unethical to "borrow notes" from other other writers. [so if you use an ancestry.com tree, you cite that tree, not the sources within the tree. If you use and evaluate those sources, only then can you cite them] 13. Citing a source is not an end to itself; our real goal is to have the best possible source to cite. [Many sources are deficient, but can provide an avenue to a better source. Always seek out the better source.] {for example; Aunt Mabel may have said grandpa was buried in xyz cemetery. Yes, she is a source. But seek out the better source which is the cemetery records} I believe it is so important for us to take our hobby of genealogy to a higher level and be as professional as we can. Suzanne Historian Genealogist

Yes. I always take down the information. If it's close enough, I put it in my database with a note that it's from One World Tree, or an online database, or whatever. If there are lots of obvious errors, I store it away anyway, but not in my database. Either way, any possible clues can be followed later. I know some ancestors of mine are in One World Tree with completely wrong information. The person who put it there didn't realize that these ancestors were from an area of Germany that used Hofnamen, so the name could change with each generation. The person "fixed" a name, then apparently cut and pasted it, picking up only part of the name, which the computer then autofilled on down the line. Good luck to anybody trying to sort that one out! Marilyn > I use the sources as a jumping off point and either request the original > document specified or contact the owner of the tree and see where he/she > got their documentation.

I use the sources as a jumping off point and either request the original document specified or contact the owner of the tree and see where he/she got their documentation. I have found with one particular person that shared a common name and birth year with an unrelated person 2 states away that One World Tree conglomerated them into one person. Actually, I can think of 2 times this situation has occurred. If you look at each tree individually, you will see the differences [and be able to contact the particular poster]. But if you add them in, from Ancestry and even Roots Web, I think, it adds all data. That means that instead of 2 separate marriages, they have marriage one and marriage 2 for a single person. If you are finding info on Roots Web, chances are you can find the sources fairly easily as well. WEST wrote: > When I search for kin at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > and other places and find certain information and they show their Source but > their source in incorrect. > How do you know what information is correct? > > RE; One Individual b abt 1829 [his father died 1828] He married in 1829. > > > > Sources: > 1.. Title: Ancestry Family Trees > Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. > Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. > Note: > This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree > files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. > Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information > since this source citation was created. > Page: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family > Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those > files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed > information since this source citation was > Note: > Text: > http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=37812&pid=-1350969327 > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Kane" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 > > > >> Joan is correct. A "source" is where I obtained information. >> "Documentation" is what I have to back it up for proof. >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.45/2045 - Release Date: 04/07/09 06:41:00 > >

When I search for kin at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi and other places and find certain information and they show their Source but their source in incorrect. How do you know what information is correct? RE; One Individual b abt 1829 [his father died 1828] He married in 1829. Sources: 1.. Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was Note: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=37812&pid=-1350969327 Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Kane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 > Joan is correct. A "source" is where I obtained information. > "Documentation" is what I have to back it up for proof. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been on this mailing list for some time but not posted before. I have benefitted from a number of your research suggestions and leads to others. The following information is about the ancestors I am researching; I am searching for Jacob's parents and any other information on the family. I am buried in information and multiple spellings and first names of possible relatives. Any information or advice you have will be sincerely appreciated. I definitely need a source that would help me understand how the township names and lines have changed at various times between the Rev. War and about 1830 between Lancaster, Dauphin, and Lebanon.. I have a few maps and some lists that make it clear I need more information. >From the book PENNSLYVANIA GERMAN MARRIAGES, First Reformed Church 1736-1806: Schreid, Jacob of Rapho, Catharine Gutterer, Warrick 6 May 1783. In Lancaster County, PA, Church Records of the 18th Century, Vol. 1 - Manheim Reformed Church page 63: Birth Record - Elisabeth of Jacob Schreit and wife, b. August 8, 17??, Bapt. April 8, 1791. Sponsor Barbara Guttulin (another source of this had Barbara's last name Guttululin (?) with a note that the question mark is from compiler). I believe Barbara is Catharine's sister. In Vol. II of Abstracts of Lancaster Co. PA Wills 1786-1820 page 78: Will dated 16 Oct. 1794, proved 23 Jan. 1801, Goddettle, Michael; wife Margaret Goddettle; Ex: Henryt Rassman and Jacob Schrit. . . Rapho Twp. Henrich Schriet's birth record is in the book ZION LUTHERAN CHURCH 1798-1837; Henrich, son of Jacob and Catharina Schriet b. 13 Feb 1800/baptized 6 April 1801. The 1860 census of Lancaster County (page 746) Mount Joy Twp. shows Henry Shride 59 laborer born Penn./wife Polly Shride/58 years old. They have a Henry Musselman aged 10 living with them. These two entries tie the Shride name to the Schriet spelling. There is a George Shride in the 1870 Dauphin Co. PA census, page 551, Middle Paxton Township, who was a 68 year old farm laborer born in PA who was living at the farm of Henry Howard age 33. This makes George born about 1802. The 1810 Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA Census has Shride, Jacob with 2 males under 10; 2 males 10-15; 1 male over 45; and 1 female over 45. There is a marriage record of a Barbara Schride married 1808 to Richard Waeth. Another researcher has a Barbara Schride married to Richard Wage Jr. who was born and died in Dauphin Co. PA with wife Barbara born in PA of German parentage. Richard Wade lives by Jacob Shride (only one name between them) in the 1810 census of Dauphin County, Middle Paxton Township, PA. Jacob is identified as being from Rapho in his 1783 marriage record and as one of the Ex. of his father-in-law Michael's will in 1794. The tax list for Rapho 1790 seems to present one possible listing for Jacob. Jacob Strite: 1 male over 16 (Jacob), 2 males under 16 (2 unknown sons), 3 females. In 1790 Jacob Strite is living next door to Henry Strite. Janell Janell Amos <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]

Paul I sure wouldn't rely on family trees. Especially undocumented ones. My cousin put some completely wrong information into the LDS files, and now people are picking up on that and thinking it's correct. You need tombstone information, wills, land records, birth/death certificates, marriage certificates, bible records, military service records. Those type of documents are better. However, even they can be in error. They are all only as trustworthy as the person who gave the information. For example, a son or grandson or nephew, etc. might provide the information for a death certificate and he/she might not be sure but will give some number, and there you have a bad reference on an official document. Get as much evidence as you can and go with the general consensus. Court documents are a little better. WEST wrote: > When I search for kin at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi > and other places and find certain information and they show their Source but > their source in incorrect. > How do you know what information is correct? > > RE; One Individual b abt 1829 [his father died 1828] He married in 1829. > > > > Sources: > 1.. Title: Ancestry Family Trees > Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network. > Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. > Note: > This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree > files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. > Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information > since this source citation was created. > Page: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family > Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those > files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed > information since this source citation was > Note: > Text: > http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=37812&pid=-1350969327 > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Kane" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 > > > >> Joan is correct. A "source" is where I obtained information. >> "Documentation" is what I have to back it up for proof. >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Joan is correct. A "source" is where I obtained information. "Documentation" is what I have to back it up for proof. Anne

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Dear Listmeister, Could you please remind the list of the policy to use informative subject titles (not just the digest and volume) and to snip all unnecessary previous comments out of the responses? Thanks. Chris in Columbia "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." ~Thomas Jefferson

Oops, sorry for not changing the subject line before. I would have to know who the "Eby researchers" are in order to contact them....and there are probably scads of people researching Eby/Eabi/Eaby/Ebey etc. in Lancaster County. The only Eby I know of in my family is now deceased. Lynn From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lynn, I am trying very hard to control my temper and thus my comments......what I am telling you is to contact Eby researchers, who have looked high and low for a marriage between these two. They would like very much to have had a legitamite birth also. You cannot source what isn't there. If you want to call that gossip, then so be it. I wish you luck and if you ever do find something, please share it with the list.? Yvonne

Thanks, ever.  Both Fred and Justin are shirttail relatives/Haldeman/Holdiman.  I had looked at Justin's info but couldn't find a lead on Catherine.  Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA

Cheryl - Have fwd'd this to Justin Kirk House and Fred Houts of the PA-Centre Cnty list - they have a huge Houser database ©1994-2009 Mimi Taylor Generation Gap Specialist™ for HALL-PRATT-TAYLOR + PIERCE "From Pierce-Arrows 2 Straight Arrows"© -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cheryl C. Rigdon Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PALANCAS] Catherine Heuser/Houser b. Abt. 1717 Lancaster Does anyone have information on the parents of Catherine Heuser/Houser b. Abt. 1717 Lancaster Co and married to Martin Braun/Brown on 27 Feb.1739 in Lancaster by Rev. Stoever?   I'm fairly certain she is not a daughter of Ulrich Hauser; perhaps John b. 1693; or Peter born c. 1700.  They were the sons of Karl Hans von Houser who immigrated to Germantown in 1707 and went back to London in 1709, to bring his wife, Huldricka Row and family to PA.  Karl died in 1722 in Conestoga Twp.   Thanks for any information. Cheryl C. Rigdon Davenport, IA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2188 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

And vice-versa! Larry B. "Remember that on any world the wind eventually wears away the stone, because the stone can only crumble; the wind can change." - Spock — A.C. Crispin, Time for Yesterday > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:14:48 -0400 > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 > > A source is merely where you learned about something--it CAN be a person > telling you a "fact" from personal knowledge. However, you are correct that the > accuracy and dependability of "sources" can vary--and someone telling you > something they wouldn't have any reason to know from their own observation...may > well be a "source" you'd want to verify by looking for documentation. > Sources do not necessarily equal documentation/proof. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 4/4/2009 9:10:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I am not trying to argue with you. It is just that if someone "told" you > something, it doesn't make it accurate. I like to have sources with info > like this. Sources meaning documents, not the people who told you the > story. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Updates1_042009

One can not automatically assume either way whether a birth for which one can find no marriage for the parents is illegitimate or otherwise. Because we can not find it, does not mean it does not exist, just as it may mean that it didn't. I have found Lancaster county's lack of county marriage records highly frustrating. The county I live in here in Nebraska has county marriage records going back much earlier than Lancaster which is a much, much older county. We can document two things: one what we found and where, and perhaps as valuable, where we looked and found nothing. Karen In a message dated 4/4/2009 9:51:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Lynn, I am trying very hard to control my temper and thus my comments......what I am telling you is to contact Eby researchers, who have looked high and low for a marriage between these two. They would like very much to have had a legitamite birth also. You cannot source what isn't there. If you want to call that gossip, then so be it. I wish you luck and if you ever do find something, please share it with the list.? Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: ltguidetti <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 9:09 am Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] PALANCAS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 52 I am not trying to argue with you. It is just that if someone "told" you something, it doesn't make it accurate. I like to have sources with info like this. Sources meaning documents, not the people who told you the story. It's one thing not to have a birth date or birth town, and pass that on, that is just a stat. But when there is a child involved (as well as the family line onward), passing on information like this without a source makes this kind of info little more than gossip. Whether or not my ggrandmother has been dead for 80 years, and whether or not I ever met her, she's still my dad's grandma. Not to mention - there are many, many people whom you can never find marriage records for, especially in pre-1900 PA. Some of my other grandparents, as well as my parents, were married in Maryland. But no one has their marriage records. Does that mean they were not married??? No. I found out yesterday that this gem of a guy was married not only two times, but three. He was married a second time in Ohio, just after my grandmother - and dumped the woman he married **because she was still married to her previous husband**!! Lancaster County has the divorce petition and I now have a copy. There's my source, it's not gossip. These two could have been both married and divorced out of the state. As for him, karma's a biotch. Lynn > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:28:32 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] 1870s Divorce Record? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I didn't personally, but I have been told by some Eby researchers that this > has been done. I told you in a previous email that I made a mistake in > copying. The date of the Diem marriage was 1884. I don't want to argue, I am > only trying to help you.???? Yvonne > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003)