Ok Sherry.  Good luck.  Old newspapers are the best place to learn about these obscure historical tidbits.                                                                                                             Jim   ________________________________ From: Sherry Shallenberger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 1:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Baumgartners of West Donegal Twp Hi Jim, Thank you for the information on shad fishing and for pointing me towards the article on the Conestoga Historical Society's website, which was very interesting.  While googling, I also found a couple other articles on shad fishing.  Shad fishing sounds like it would have been quite amazing to watch.  I will check out the other newspapers you suggested this weekend and continue looking for information about boundry changes involving the islands on the Susquehanna. Thanks again for all your help and suggestions. Have a great weekend.  It looks to be a beautiful, sunny weekend here in northwestern Pennsylvania! Sherry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More names and places def. helps here as I kept coming up in YORK & Dauphin Cntys. The Island could have changed names as in property owners did .. Ran the names thru HeritageQuest* [online my Local Library-24/7 from home] as well as srching maps etc - Back w/something more definitive later [I hope] Enjoy helping others as so many in the rootsweb system have helped me over the years - beg. 1996. Try a Google - 'shad fishery Pennsylvania' - as that may pop-up w/something - I am out to mow the lawn [3rd time this season] and I was the 1st to bellyache about the long winter her in SW Va. [and loss of property in card game as in my PIERCE's of the Pierce-Arrow auto!] C1994-2009 Mimi Taylor Generation Gap SpecialistT for HALL-PRATT-TAYLOR + PIERCE "From Pierce-Arrows 2 Straight Arrows"C -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherry Shallenberger Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Baumgartners of West Donegal Twp Dear James & Mimi, Thanks so much for the suggestions and to Mimi for her offer to check Heritage Quest. I tried googling for information on Hill Island to see if it was it considered part of Dauphin Co, like the Susquehanna River, and if it had a township designation, but didn't find much. We checked for tax lists, but I don't remember seeing an occupation. I'll recheck. In Carroll Baumgardner's book, "A Genealogical Record of the Family Baumgardner," he states Christian Baumgardner married Betsy Shelly and he tells how Christian lost a shad fishery in a poker game one night. I have a copy of a York County estate record showing Christian Baumgardner purchased property in Newberry Twp, York Co. on 22 Sept 1801 for 300 pounds from estate of Andrew Sweisgood. On 9 Aug 1802 Christian Baumgardner sold this same same property to Abraham Shelly for 300 pounds, and an Administrative bond for the estate of Abraham Shelly, the son of Elizabeth (Lane) and Daniel Shelly, Sr, dated 4 Mar 1812, lists Christian Baumgardner as one of the executors and Abraham Shelly's estate papers list Christian Baumgardner paying him for a shad fishery. Could one of these properties be the shad fishery Carroll Baumgardner mentions Christian lost in a poker game? Who knows... Unfortunately, Carroll's records were thrown away by his daughter upon his death. In "History of York County', page 614-615 regarding Shad Fisheries they write, "Nothing game more interest to the river settlements in early days than the extensive shad fisheries, an industry now almost unknown above the am of the Susquehanna Canal at Columbia. Shad fishing has greatly declined south of the dam, of late years, all caused by injudicious management..." So, it sounds like they may have been fishermen. If so, what did the Susquehanna fishermen do in the off season??? And if they were shad fisherman, where would they follow that profession in Donegal Twp????? Lots of questions. If I only knew the answers.... James & Mimi - thanks again for your suggestions and offers of help. Sherry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2210 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Sherry,      I'm not really sure what a Shad fishery was but I suspect it was a place along the river where someone raised Shad.  Normally Shad moved up the Susquehanna River in the spring of each year, April and May.  I suspect a Shad fishery was a place where shad were raised and then sold the fish at market, especially during the times of year when the shad were not running.       In 1857 there was a stink when the the guys at Safe Harbor, Conestoga Twp. put a barrier across the river that kept the shad from moving up stream.  Finally the guys from Columbia came down stream in canoes and removed the obstruction.  The guys at Safe Harbor threathened to blow them out of the water using the Griffin gun that had been developed at Safe Harbor but apparently cooler heads prevailed and the gun wasn't used.       Shad was a big part of life on the Susquehanna until the 1900s when hydroelectric dams were constructed along the river and the Shad could no longer get upstream.      There is an article from the Columbia Spy on our web page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm  about the fish wars between Columbia and Safe Harbor, its May 8, 1858 and from our web page go to History in Newspapers and then Conesotga, then scroll down to May 8, 1858.       You can also check two Lancaster newspapers at the Penn State Digital Collection from the 1848 to about 1872, they have the Columbia Spy and the Lancaster Intelligencer.  You might check these sources for on Shad Fisheries and your surnames.  They may also have York County newspapers, I've never checked. https://secureapps.libraries.psu.edu/digital/      The Lancaster County Historical Society had a larger run of the Columbia Spy but apparently that has disappeared.      Check a map of Pa. or Dauphin County to see where the county line runs in regard to islands in the Susquehanna.  I think the line dividing Lancaster County and York County was close to the York County shore and so most of the islands were in Lancaster County.  I don't know if the same applies to Dauphin County.                                                                                                                   Jim ________________________________ From: Sherry Shallenberger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:31:16 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Baumgartners of West Donegal Twp Dear James & Mimi, Thanks so much for the suggestions and to Mimi for her offer to check Heritage Quest. I tried googling for information on Hill Island to see if it was it considered part of Dauphin Co, like the Susquehanna River,  and if it had a township designation, but didn't find much.  We checked for tax lists, but I don't remember seeing an occupation.  I'll recheck. In Carroll Baumgardner's book, "A Genealogical Record of the Family Baumgardner," he states Christian Baumgardner married Betsy Shelly and he tells how Christian lost a shad fishery in a poker game one night.  I have a copy of a York County estate record showing Christian Baumgardner purchased property in Newberry Twp, York Co. on 22 Sept 1801 for 300 pounds from estate of Andrew Sweisgood. On 9 Aug 1802 Christian Baumgardner sold this same same property to Abraham Shelly for 300 pounds, and an Administrative bond for the estate of Abraham Shelly, the son of Elizabeth (Lane) and Daniel Shelly, Sr, dated 4 Mar 1812, lists Christian Baumgardner as one of the executors and Abraham Shelly's estate papers list Christian Baumgardner paying him for a shad fishery. Could one of these properties be the shad fishery Carroll Baumgardner mentions Christian lost in a poker game?  Who knows... Unfortunately, Carroll's records were thrown away by his daughter upon his death. In "History of York County', page 614-615 regarding Shad Fisheries they write, "Nothing game more interest to the river settlements in early days than the extensive shad fisheries, an industry now almost unknown above the am of the Susquehanna Canal at Columbia.  Shad fishing has greatly declined south of the dam, of late years, all caused by injudicious management..." So, it sounds like they may have been fishermen.  If so, what did the Susquehanna fishermen do in the off season???  And if they were shad fisherman, where would they follow that profession in Donegal Twp????? Lots of questions.  If I only knew the answers.... James & Mimi - thanks again for your suggestions and offers of help. Sherry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear James & Mimi, Thanks so much for the suggestions and to Mimi for her offer to check Heritage Quest. I tried googling for information on Hill Island to see if it was it considered part of Dauphin Co, like the Susquehanna River, and if it had a township designation, but didn't find much. We checked for tax lists, but I don't remember seeing an occupation. I'll recheck. In Carroll Baumgardner's book, "A Genealogical Record of the Family Baumgardner," he states Christian Baumgardner married Betsy Shelly and he tells how Christian lost a shad fishery in a poker game one night. I have a copy of a York County estate record showing Christian Baumgardner purchased property in Newberry Twp, York Co. on 22 Sept 1801 for 300 pounds from estate of Andrew Sweisgood. On 9 Aug 1802 Christian Baumgardner sold this same same property to Abraham Shelly for 300 pounds, and an Administrative bond for the estate of Abraham Shelly, the son of Elizabeth (Lane) and Daniel Shelly, Sr, dated 4 Mar 1812, lists Christian Baumgardner as one of the executors and Abraham Shelly's estate papers list Christian Baumgardner paying him for a shad fishery. Could one of these properties be the shad fishery Carroll Baumgardner mentions Christian lost in a poker game? Who knows... Unfortunately, Carroll's records were thrown away by his daughter upon his death. In "History of York County', page 614-615 regarding Shad Fisheries they write, "Nothing game more interest to the river settlements in early days than the extensive shad fisheries, an industry now almost unknown above the am of the Susquehanna Canal at Columbia. Shad fishing has greatly declined south of the dam, of late years, all caused by injudicious management..." So, it sounds like they may have been fishermen. If so, what did the Susquehanna fishermen do in the off season??? And if they were shad fisherman, where would they follow that profession in Donegal Twp????? Lots of questions. If I only knew the answers.... James & Mimi - thanks again for your suggestions and offers of help. Sherry

Hi Sherry,      Its hard to know why someone moved from one location to another.  In the early days it was usually because of cheap land, At this late date a guess would be that he got a job in Donegal.  Did you find him in the tax lists to see his occupation ?  Did he have the same occupation in Newberry Twp. ?   Moving from Newberry to Donegal probably wasn't seen as a big deal.                                                                                                                                      Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm ________________________________ From: Sherry Shallenberger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:15:15 PM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Baumgartners of West Donegal Twp Hi Mimi, Yes, I have one family like that who moved from area to area in England, but this one is complicated with a river and an island between the two townships of Newberry & Donegal.  I was hoping there might be someone on this list who is familiar with the layout of the land/river who could give me some ideas as to why several families of Baumgardner may have wanted to leave Newberry Twp, for Donegal Twp around 1820 and then went back to Newberry Twp in time for the 1830 census. Best wishes, Sherry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mimi, Yes, I have one family like that who moved from area to area in England, but this one is complicated with a river and an island between the two townships of Newberry & Donegal. I was hoping there might be someone on this list who is familiar with the layout of the land/river who could give me some ideas as to why several families of Baumgardner may have wanted to leave Newberry Twp, for Donegal Twp around 1820 and then went back to Newberry Twp in time for the 1830 census. Best wishes, Sherry

As so many boundaries changed - whether new counties being formed - or just divisions of areas pertaining to growth - I thought my CT/MA/VT ancestors were migrant gypsies until I started w/map and 'history of... ' searches - at time they ran the boundary right thru a person's property! Mimi Taylor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherry Shallenberger Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PALANCAS] Baumgartners of West Donegal Twp Could anyone please tell me why my Bomgardner/Baumgarters of Newberry Twp (1790-1810) would suddenly show up in the 1820 Donegal Twp census? We've never been able to prove it, but have been told Christian Baumgartner b. 1763 was supposed to have married Betsy Shelly and I am aware the Shelly family owned quite a bit of land - particularly in Newberry Twp and on Shelly Island. I also see from Dr. Hively's maps/books, the land purchased by Christian Baumgartner in 1830 boardered Daniel Shelly's property in Newberry Twp. Interestingly enough, Daniel Shelly also purchased 315 acres from Albrecht Graff on Hill Island in 1760. Would Hill Island have been considered part of Lancaster County at that time? Did Hill Island have a township designation? The 1820 census for Donegal Twp, Lancaster Co, PA, pg 152, lists John Bomgardner, with 1 male btwn 16-26, 1 male btwn 26-45, 1 male 45 and up and 1 female 45 and up. Other Bomgardners are also listed in Donegal township (but only in the1820 census). Page 137 has two listings, one for Jacob Bomgardner and one for Emmanuel Bomgardner. On page 140 there are also two listings, one for Christian Bomgardner Sr. and Christian Bomgardner, Jr., plus the listing for John on page 152. I have a copy of John Baumgardner's indenture and his property in West Donegal Twp. - which his wife sold to John Grofs (Gross) after his death is described as follows: ... tract or lot of land, situate in West Donegal Township, Lancaster Co, aforesaid, and bounded and described as follows to wit; Beginning at a white oak, then by lands of David Coble, south thirty three degrees, east fourteen perches to the stone; thence by land of Henry Myers north fifty seven degrees, east ten perches to a stone and north thirty three degrees, west eighteen perches to a stone, thence by land of George Mister, south thirty eight degrees, west eight perches to the beginning, containing one acre. Next measure of land being part of a larger tract of patented land which John Shartle and John Albert, executors of the last will and testament of Martin Myers, deceased, by their indenture, made the 27th day of July 1810 for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm unto Henry Myer, son of the said deceased, his heirs and afsigns forever and the said Henry Myer, by his indenture, dated the first day of April 1813? for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm the said above mentioned and delivered part thereof containing one acre as aforesaid unto Peter Bishop, his heirs and afsigns, and the said Peter Bishop and Catherine, his wife. By their indenture, dated the 1st day of April 1815 for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm the same unto John Baumgardner and to his heirs and afsigns forever as in and by the said several recited indentures duly executed, . being thereunto had more fully and at large appears by force and virtue of which said recited indenture or of some other good conveyances or assurances in the law duly had and executed the said John Baumgardner became in his lifetime lawfully seized in his demise as of .and in the said above mentioned and described .. and . of one acre of land with the appurtenances and being so thereof seized as aforesaid, he the said, John Baumgardner, made his last will and testament bearing date the 25th day of July 1823. According to Dr. Hively's book, Christian Baumgartner purchased land back in Newberry Twp in 1830. He was back in Newberry Twp by the 1830 census. I would really appreciate any ideas/suggestions as to why these Bomgardner/Baumgartners may have left Newberry for Donegal for a short season? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Thank you in advance for any help/suggestions, Sherry Shallenberger ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2207 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello: There used to be a person onlist who was also associated with the Hull Family Association. He participated in the DNA study and it was determined his ancestor was likely to be related to that of Doug Hull from Westmoreland Co. If anyone knows who I mean, will you please contact me--I want to get some information and I can't for the life of me remember his name :-( Thank you! Joyce "Life isn't about surviving the storm, but learning to dance in the rain" Let Storm teach you to dance in the rain! http://joyceanthony.tripod.com

Could anyone please tell me why my Bomgardner/Baumgarters of Newberry Twp (1790-1810) would suddenly show up in the 1820 Donegal Twp census? We've never been able to prove it, but have been told Christian Baumgartner b. 1763 was supposed to have married Betsy Shelly and I am aware the Shelly family owned quite a bit of land - particularly in Newberry Twp and on Shelly Island. I also see from Dr. Hively's maps/books, the land purchased by Christian Baumgartner in 1830 boardered Daniel Shelly's property in Newberry Twp. Interestingly enough, Daniel Shelly also purchased 315 acres from Albrecht Graff on Hill Island in 1760. Would Hill Island have been considered part of Lancaster County at that time? Did Hill Island have a township designation? The 1820 census for Donegal Twp, Lancaster Co, PA, pg 152, lists John Bomgardner, with 1 male btwn 16-26, 1 male btwn 26-45, 1 male 45 and up and 1 female 45 and up. Other Bomgardners are also listed in Donegal township (but only in the1820 census). Page 137 has two listings, one for Jacob Bomgardner and one for Emmanuel Bomgardner. On page 140 there are also two listings, one for Christian Bomgardner Sr. and Christian Bomgardner, Jr., plus the listing for John on page 152. I have a copy of John Baumgardner's indenture and his property in West Donegal Twp. - which his wife sold to John Grofs (Gross) after his death is described as follows: ... tract or lot of land, situate in West Donegal Township, Lancaster Co, aforesaid, and bounded and described as follows to wit; Beginning at a white oak, then by lands of David Coble, south thirty three degrees, east fourteen perches to the stone; thence by land of Henry Myers north fifty seven degrees, east ten perches to a stone and north thirty three degrees, west eighteen perches to a stone, thence by land of George Mister, south thirty eight degrees, west eight perches to the beginning, containing one acre. Next measure of land being part of a larger tract of patented land which John Shartle and John Albert, executors of the last will and testament of Martin Myers, deceased, by their indenture, made the 27th day of July 1810 for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm unto Henry Myer, son of the said deceased, his heirs and afsigns forever and the said Henry Myer, by his indenture, dated the first day of April 1813? for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm the said above mentioned and delivered part thereof containing one acre as aforesaid unto Peter Bishop, his heirs and afsigns, and the said Peter Bishop and Catherine, his wife. By their indenture, dated the 1st day of April 1815 for the consideration therein mentioned did grant and confirm the same unto John Baumgardner and to his heirs and afsigns forever as in and by the said several recited indentures duly executed, … being thereunto had more fully and at large appears by force and virtue of which said recited indenture or of some other good conveyances or assurances in the law duly had and executed the said John Baumgardner became in his lifetime lawfully seized in his demise as of …and in the said above mentioned and described …. and … of one acre of land with the appurtenances and being so thereof seized as aforesaid, he the said, John Baumgardner, made his last will and testament bearing date the 25th day of July 1823. According to Dr. Hively's book, Christian Baumgartner purchased land back in Newberry Twp in 1830. He was back in Newberry Twp by the 1830 census. I would really appreciate any ideas/suggestions as to why these Bomgardner/Baumgartners may have left Newberry for Donegal for a short season? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Thank you in advance for any help/suggestions, Sherry Shallenberger

I am looking for the a record of the marriage of my wife's ancestors, Conrad Deal and Anna Crum. Time would be after 1776 and possibly before 1780. His name has been variably spelled Diehl, Diel, Thiel, and Thiele in various records and histories--and now is DEAL. Conrad has been verified as a Hessian soldier, who was captured at Trenton, 26 Dec 1776 when Washington surprised the British. He was put out on the farm of Henry Krum at Hanover T. Anna Crum was a daughter of Anthony Crum, who was a farmer in PA. The families later moved to Fredericks Co., VA--near Winchester, VA. I am confused on the date of this move, as some information seems to conflict with others. (http://www.genealogical.com/products/Pennsylvania%20Marriages%20Prior%20to%201790/3390.html) Pennsylvania Marriages Prior to 1790 Central Pennsylvania Marriages, 1700-1896 Record of Pennsylvania Marriages Prior to 1810 ____________________________________ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. _See yours in just 2 easy steps!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220685763x1201394209/aol?redir=http:/ /www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Marchfoote rNO62) **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62)

Researching origins of Isaac C. Baker, b. 1828/29 possibly in Lancaster.  He has been found in the 1850 census in E. Lampeter, married to Elizabeth, believed to be Elizabeth Fraelich (Fralich and similar spellings).  In 1860 Isaac and Elizabeth are living in Philadelphia where Elizabeth died in 1862 and was returned to Lancaster for burial by her parents Jacob and Elizabeth Fraelich.  Isaac next married Katherine Eckert in Philadelphia in/abt. 1865.  I hope to find Isaac's parents and location of his birth.  Got info?

Hi I am looking for information on this family !! My wife is a descendant of daughter Barbara married to Samuel Landis . I have infor on her , But none of her siblings ?? Thanks Stanford L.Landis 1 Martin Witwer Weaver Born: September/18/1834 in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania Died: February/04/1903 in Rothsville Lancaster Co. ,Pennsylvania _ +Barbara Gehman Reiff Born: September/29/1833 in West Earl Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania Died: February/19/1913 in Rothsville Lancaster Co. ,Pennsylvania Father: Benjamin Nolt Reiff Mother: Elizabeth L. Gehman 2 Amanda Reiff Weaver Born: July/07/1857 ___ +Jacob H. Rudy Born: September/05/1861 Father: Jacob Rudy Mother: Barbara Hess 2 Aaron Reiff Weaver Born: 1860 2 Maria Reiff Weaver Born: 1863 ___ +? Sollenberger 2 Jonathan Reiff Weaver Born: February/02/1868 Died: September/03/1944 ___ +Lizzie W. Horst Born: June/08/1875 Died: January/25/1952 Father: Joseph W. Horst Mother: Lydia Weaver 2 Barbara Reiff Weaver Born: September/06/1876 in Rothsville,Lancaster Co.Pennsylvania Died: March/03/1944 in Reamstown , Lancaster Co.Pennsylvania ___ +Samuel Auker Landis Born: December/03/1867 in Juniata Co. Pennsylvania Died: July/25/1949 in Ephrata , Lancaster Co.Pennsylvania Father: William Landes Mother: Catherine Auker ____________________________________________________________ Debt collectors calling your house? Click here to consolidate into one payment. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIk3lN7zQGhdU3Hwy8gM0sKU0NfaiNbuOSHl2ymLU8XHx1ZJyCYD2/

Dear Barbara, If you are willing to look in your PA birth records book, would you please look for any Ritters? I have Michael Ritter born about 1789. He lived in Warwick as an adult, but I suspect he was in Mt. Joy or Donegal as a child. His son, Benjamin was buried back in Mt. Joy in a River Breathern cemetary. There are 2 Simon Ritters in the 1790 census: one in Mt. Joy and one in Donegal, each with a son the right age to be Michael.(and probably both named Michael) To add to the confusion, somewhere between 1790 and 1800, one of the Simons moved to Northumberland County where I can follow both he and his son Michael living there for many years. BUT, these are not my Ritters! The Ritters in Mt. Joy/Donegal and later Warwick are my brick wall and I can't seem to get past it. Thanks for any help you my be able to give. Bobbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Jacob BINKLEY, b. 10/23/1736; also surnames STOCKLI, SCHLECTY, ROTH > Pennsylvania Births > Lancaster Cunty > 1723-1777 > John T. Humphrey > Humphrey Publications > Washington, D.C. 1997 > > RECORDS: > 5. Records of the Emanuel Lutheran Church, Elizabeth Township, also > called Old Warwick Lutharn Church; the baptismal register was begun in > 1742 > > 8. Records of the First Reformed Church, Lancaster; the baptismal > register was begun in 1736. > > 12. Records of the Muddy Creek Reformed Church, East Cocalico > Township; birth records from the 1770s are included. > > 15. Records of Rev. John Waldschmidt; this personal register was begun > in 1752. > > 21. Records of Zion Reformed Church, Elizabeth Township, also known as > Reyer's Reformed Church; birth records from the 1760s are included. > > 27. Records of the Pequea Reformed Church, Strasburg Township; birth > records from the 1740s included. > > INFANT DATE OF BIRTH/BAPTISM FATHER MOTHER RECORD > page 27 > BINCKLE > Johannes 26 Dec 1781 Heinrich Anna Maria 15 > Maria Catharina bp 20 Jun 1772 Heinrich not given 15 > > BINCKLY > Anna Maria 3 Sep 1767 Henry Anna Maria 12 > Maria Babara 21 Jan 1768 Joseph Maria Barbara 21 > > BINCKY > Johannes 14 Jan 1777 Marx Magdalena 15 > > page 28 > BINGELY > Susanna bp 19 Jul 1743 John Catharine 12 > > BINKLY > Susanna 1 Feb 1771 Joseph Barbara 5 > > page 304 > SCHLECK > Jacob 9 May 1764 Jacob Barbara 8 > > SCHLEEHTY > Anna 14 Aug 1765 Christian Magdalena 15 > Barbara 12 Nov 1763 Christian Magdalena 15 > Christian 11 Nov 1768 Christian Magdalena 15 > > SCHLICHTER > Daniel 10 Sep 1761 Thomas Catharine 27 > John 18 Oct 1758 Thomas Catharine 27 > Bruce Fosnocht wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am trying to locate the birth record for the birth above, to see if it >> names the mother of the child, or the location of the birth, in order to >> determine which Peter Binkley is the father. >> >> The following website of Monique Francois gives details about the >> passengers on the Princess Augusta who arrived in Philadelphia 9/16/1736. >> >> http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jvW-C40t5bkJ:www.bgo.atmedia.fr/mediatheque/publications/princess_augusta.doc >> >> She describes two Peter Binkleys: >> >> English: PINCKELE, Pierre, son of Christian and of Elizabeth BURRI, >> m. Marie Salome VERLY Feb. 2 1725 in Rothau (couple may be the same as >> the couple known in America under the names of Peter BINKLEY and >> Anne-Marie WERLE) >> >> English: PINCKELE Pierre, son of Simon and of Elizabeth ZAUN, m. Verena >> ROTH the 8th of May 1732 at Rothau (perhaps this younger Pierre is the >> same one discovered by Patricia Smith who becomes the head of a family in >> Virginia. >> >> The first of these Peters came to Warwick in Lancaster Countyand had a >> daughter Christina there in 1738. He soon moved to York County, then >> Frederick County, MD, and then to Bethania NC. The only Jacob among his >> children is one born in 1767, so if the 1736 Jacob is his, the child died >> young. >> >> The second of these Peters is largely unknown to us. The 1736 Jacob could >> be his child. Monique Francois states that his wife Verena ROTH had a >> sister named Anna Catharine, who married Hans STOCKLI. There was also an >> Elizabeth ROTH, married to Christian SCHLECHTY. These families traveled >> together on the Princess Augusta, and probably settled near each other. >> Hans STOCKLI, according to a file at Rootsweb, had four children, and >> died in Kleinfeltersville, Lebanon Countyin 1784. Christian SCHLECHTY >> lived in Cocalico, and in Heidelberg, and left a will in the name >> SCHLECHTY. >> >> Can you look in your resources, especially the 18th century birth books >> by F. Edward Wright, Humphrey, or HP Publishing, for birth records for >> any of these families: >> >> BINKLEY/BINGLY/BANCKLE >> >> SCHLECHTY/SCHLICHTER/SCHLASTER/SCHLAGETER >> >> STOCKLI/STOCKI/STOCKLEY/STUCKEY >> >> I'm looking for any clues which might help me trace this Peter Binkley >> and his son Jacob. >> >> Bruce Fosnocht >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bruce,      I'd check the 1750 tax list for Lancaster County.  This would really cover a wider area than the current Lancaster County, it would also cover Lebanon, parts of Berks, Dauphin, Cumberland (perhaps it was formed in 1750)  other surrounding counties.  Only York County was formed in 1749 and wouldn't be included.  There is a good chance if your guy came in the 1730s or 40s, he would be on this 1750 list.  The only exception would be if he left the area and the odds are he didn't.  If you can pin your Peter Binkley to a township you can then check church records that cover that township or see if your Jacob shows up later in that township.      Maybe someone on this list has the 1750 tax list and then can check it for you.                                                                                                                                   Jim Conestoga Area Historical Society http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pacahs/index.htm  ________________________________ From: Bruce Fosnocht <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:38:15 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] Jacob BINKLEY, b. 10/23/1736; also surnames STOCKLI, SCHLECTY, ROTH Hello, I am trying to locate the birth record for the birth above, to see if it names the mother of the child, or the location of the birth, in order to determine which Peter Binkley is the father. The following website of Monique Francois gives details about the passengers on the Princess Augusta who arrived in Philadelphia 9/16/1736. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jvW-C40t5bkJ:www.bgo.atmedia.fr/mediatheque/publications/princess_augusta.doc She describes two Peter Binkleys: English: PINCKELE, Pierre, son of Christian and of Elizabeth BURRI, m. Marie Salome VERLY Feb. 2 1725 in Rothau (couple may be the same as the couple known in America under the names of Peter BINKLEY and Anne-Marie WERLE) English: PINCKELE Pierre, son of Simon and of Elizabeth ZAUN, m. Verena ROTH the 8th of May 1732 at Rothau (perhaps this younger Pierre is the same one discovered by Patricia Smith who becomes the head of a family in Virginia. The first of these Peters came to Warwick in Lancaster Countyand had a daughter Christina there in 1738. He soon moved to York County, then Frederick County, MD, and then to Bethania NC. The only Jacob among his children is one born in 1767, so if the 1736 Jacob is his, the child died young. The second of these Peters is largely unknown to us. The 1736 Jacob could be his child. Monique Francois states that his wife Verena ROTH had a sister named Anna Catharine, who married Hans STOCKLI. There was also an Elizabeth ROTH, married to Christian SCHLECHTY. These families traveled together on the Princess Augusta, and probably settled near each other. Hans STOCKLI, according to a file at Rootsweb, had four children, and died in Kleinfeltersville, Lebanon Countyin 1784. Christian SCHLECHTY lived in Cocalico, and in Heidelberg, and left a will in the name SCHLECHTY. Can you look in your resources, especially the 18th century birth books by F. Edward Wright, Humphrey, or HP Publishing, for birth records for any of these families: BINKLEY/BINGLY/BANCKLE SCHLECHTY/SCHLICHTER/SCHLASTER/SCHLAGETER STOCKLI/STOCKI/STOCKLEY/STUCKEY I'm looking for any clues which might help me trace this Peter Binkley and his son Jacob. Bruce Fosnocht ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pennsylvania Births Lancaster Cunty 1723-1777 John T. Humphrey Humphrey Publications Washington, D.C. 1997 RECORDS: 5. Records of the Emanuel Lutheran Church, Elizabeth Township, also called Old Warwick Lutharn Church; the baptismal register was begun in 1742 8. Records of the First Reformed Church, Lancaster; the baptismal register was begun in 1736. 12. Records of the Muddy Creek Reformed Church, East Cocalico Township; birth records from the 1770s are included. 15. Records of Rev. John Waldschmidt; this personal register was begun in 1752. 21. Records of Zion Reformed Church, Elizabeth Township, also known as Reyer's Reformed Church; birth records from the 1760s are included. 27. Records of the Pequea Reformed Church, Strasburg Township; birth records from the 1740s included. INFANT DATE OF BIRTH/BAPTISM FATHER MOTHER RECORD page 27 BINCKLE Johannes 26 Dec 1781 Heinrich Anna Maria 15 Maria Catharina bp 20 Jun 1772 Heinrich not given 15 BINCKLY Anna Maria 3 Sep 1767 Henry Anna Maria 12 Maria Babara 21 Jan 1768 Joseph Maria Barbara 21 BINCKY Johannes 14 Jan 1777 Marx Magdalena 15 page 28 BINGELY Susanna bp 19 Jul 1743 John Catharine 12 BINKLY Susanna 1 Feb 1771 Joseph Barbara 5 page 304 SCHLECK Jacob 9 May 1764 Jacob Barbara 8 SCHLEEHTY Anna 14 Aug 1765 Christian Magdalena 15 Barbara 12 Nov 1763 Christian Magdalena 15 Christian 11 Nov 1768 Christian Magdalena 15 SCHLICHTER Daniel 10 Sep 1761 Thomas Catharine 27 John 18 Oct 1758 Thomas Catharine 27 Bruce Fosnocht wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to locate the birth record for the birth above, to see if it names the mother of the child, or the location of the birth, in order to determine which Peter Binkley is the father. > > The following website of Monique Francois gives details about the passengers on the Princess Augusta who arrived in Philadelphia 9/16/1736. > > http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jvW-C40t5bkJ:www.bgo.atmedia.fr/mediatheque/publications/princess_augusta.doc > > She describes two Peter Binkleys: > > English: PINCKELE, Pierre, son of Christian and of Elizabeth BURRI, > m. Marie Salome VERLY Feb. 2 1725 in Rothau (couple may be the same as the couple known in America under the names of Peter BINKLEY and Anne-Marie WERLE) > > English: PINCKELE Pierre, son of Simon and of Elizabeth ZAUN, m. Verena ROTH the 8th of May 1732 at Rothau (perhaps this younger Pierre is the same one discovered by Patricia Smith who becomes the head of a family in Virginia. > > The first of these Peters came to Warwick in Lancaster Countyand had a daughter Christina there in 1738. He soon moved to York County, then Frederick County, MD, and then to Bethania NC. The only Jacob among his children is one born in 1767, so if the 1736 Jacob is his, the child died young. > > The second of these Peters is largely unknown to us. The 1736 Jacob could be his child. Monique Francois states that his wife Verena ROTH had a sister named Anna Catharine, who married Hans STOCKLI. There was also an Elizabeth ROTH, married to Christian SCHLECHTY. These families traveled together on the Princess Augusta, and probably settled near each other. Hans STOCKLI, according to a file at Rootsweb, had four children, and died in Kleinfeltersville, Lebanon Countyin 1784. Christian SCHLECHTY lived in Cocalico, and in Heidelberg, and left a will in the name SCHLECHTY. > > Can you look in your resources, especially the 18th century birth books by F. Edward Wright, Humphrey, or HP Publishing, for birth records for any of these families: > > BINKLEY/BINGLY/BANCKLE > > SCHLECHTY/SCHLICHTER/SCHLASTER/SCHLAGETER > > STOCKLI/STOCKI/STOCKLEY/STUCKEY > > I'm looking for any clues which might help me trace this Peter Binkley and his son Jacob. > > Bruce Fosnocht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I found under Marriage and Baptisms performed by Rev. Cuthbertson in Oct 1755 Married James Hill and Helen Buchanan. Could this be father or Uncle? I also have the following Hills Helen, Mary, Rachell, Samuell, Sarah and then Adam and Margaret Hills-- Dec. 1777 baptized Mary to Helen Hill g day Oct 26 1786 Thomas Skiles and Sarah Hill from St. James Episcopal (Anglican) Good-luck on your research- nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Hill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:29 AM Subject: [PALANCAS] James Hill (b. 1763 Pennsylvania) I am looking for a James Hill born in 1763 (or thereabout) in Pennsylvania. I don't know anything beyond this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Aaron J. Hill _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for a James Hill born in 1763 (or thereabout) in Pennsylvania. I don't know anything beyond this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Aaron J. Hill _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009

Hello, I am trying to locate the birth record for the birth above, to see if it names the mother of the child, or the location of the birth, in order to determine which Peter Binkley is the father. The following website of Monique Francois gives details about the passengers on the Princess Augusta who arrived in Philadelphia 9/16/1736. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jvW-C40t5bkJ:www.bgo.atmedia.fr/mediatheque/publications/princess_augusta.doc She describes two Peter Binkleys: English: PINCKELE, Pierre, son of Christian and of Elizabeth BURRI, m. Marie Salome VERLY Feb. 2 1725 in Rothau (couple may be the same as the couple known in America under the names of Peter BINKLEY and Anne-Marie WERLE) English: PINCKELE Pierre, son of Simon and of Elizabeth ZAUN, m. Verena ROTH the 8th of May 1732 at Rothau (perhaps this younger Pierre is the same one discovered by Patricia Smith who becomes the head of a family in Virginia. The first of these Peters came to Warwick in Lancaster Countyand had a daughter Christina there in 1738. He soon moved to York County, then Frederick County, MD, and then to Bethania NC. The only Jacob among his children is one born in 1767, so if the 1736 Jacob is his, the child died young. The second of these Peters is largely unknown to us. The 1736 Jacob could be his child. Monique Francois states that his wife Verena ROTH had a sister named Anna Catharine, who married Hans STOCKLI. There was also an Elizabeth ROTH, married to Christian SCHLECHTY. These families traveled together on the Princess Augusta, and probably settled near each other. Hans STOCKLI, according to a file at Rootsweb, had four children, and died in Kleinfeltersville, Lebanon Countyin 1784. Christian SCHLECHTY lived in Cocalico, and in Heidelberg, and left a will in the name SCHLECHTY. Can you look in your resources, especially the 18th century birth books by F. Edward Wright, Humphrey, or HP Publishing, for birth records for any of these families: BINKLEY/BINGLY/BANCKLE SCHLECHTY/SCHLICHTER/SCHLASTER/SCHLAGETER STOCKLI/STOCKI/STOCKLEY/STUCKEY I'm looking for any clues which might help me trace this Peter Binkley and his son Jacob. Bruce Fosnocht

Elizabeth,   My maternal grandfather, Albert Holdiman, is a descendant of: 1-Nicholas Haldeman, d. 1762 Chester Co   -John Haldeman d. 1774 Warwick Co     -John Haldeman & Elizabeth Stettler d.1819 Lebanon Co        - John Holdeman and Maria Salome Lesh/Loesch d. 1842 Schuylkill           - Daniel Holdeman and Elizabeth Wolfgang d.1868 Will Co., IL               - Joseph Holdiman and Katherine Lantz d. 1889 Blackhawk, IA                   - Albert Holdiman and Alica Brown d. 1923 Blackhawk, IA   Let me know if you need further info.          Hello, I noticed the name of Haldeman in your post below. What connection are you to them? They are in my family tree. Elizabeth

Hello, I noticed the name of Haldeman in your post below. What connection are you to them? They are in my family tree. Elizabeth =========================================== On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Cheryl C. Rigdon <[email protected]m>wrote: > Thanks, ever. Both Fred and Justin are shirttail > relatives/Haldeman/Holdiman. I had looked at Justin's info but couldn't > find a lead on Catherine. > > Cheryl C. Rigdon > Davenport, IA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >