Fred, The last 2 examples in your list may need rethinking: "... Children of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin once removed. Grandhildren of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin twice removed. Stop and think about it Fred" Shouldn't your first example above be "2nd cousins" (common great grandparents), and the second example be "2nd cousins once removed?" Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Fred Sherwood [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] General Question If you and the other person had the same grandparents you are 1st cousins (or siblings). If you and the other person had the same great grandparents you are 2nd cousins. If you and the other person had the same great great grandparents you are 3rd cousins. If you and the other person had the same great great great grandparents you are 4th cousins. Children of your 1st cousin are your 1st cousin, once removed. Grandchildren of your 1st cousin are your 1st cousin, twice removed. Children of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin once removed. Grandhildren of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin twice removed. Stop and think about it Fred

Here's a good kinship chart ... http://www.cousincouples.com/info/relation.shtml [email protected] wrote:I have a general question that I am sure has been asked and answered to death; Where on the net can I go to learn how to figure out relationships, such as a first cousin, great niece, etc.? I recently met a distant relative and it dawned on me that once I leave my immediate family I am confused as to where everyone else fits in. Thanks in advance. Pat Carden ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe Sue --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.

If you and the other person had the same grandparents you are 1st cousins (or siblings). If you and the other person had the same great grandparents you are 2nd cousins. If you and the other person had the same great great grandparents you are 3rd cousins. If you and the other person had the same great great great grandparents you are 4th cousins. Children of your 1st cousin are your 1st cousin, once removed. Grandchildren of your 1st cousin are your 1st cousin, twice removed. Children of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin once removed. Grandhildren of your parents 1st cousin are your 1st cousin twice removed. Stop and think about it Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] General Question > In a message dated 5/9/2005 8:21:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > I have a general question that I am sure has been asked and answered to > death; Where on the net can I go to learn how to figure out relationships, > such > as a first cousin, great niece, etc.? I recently met a distant relative > and > it dawned on me that once I leave my immediate family I am confused as to > where everyone else fits in. > Thanks in advance. > Pat Carden>> > > _www.bkwin.com_ (http://www.bkwin.com) > Brother's Keeper is an excellent program, and you can download and test it > out. For a quick answer, just put in your line, your cousin's line, until > they have a common ancestor, then you can go to the tool bar, and you'll see, > near the last, a drop down which will have COMPUTE RELATIONSHIP. It will scan > and figure the exact relationship to 300-600 people. It also allows you to > print out the relationship tree... > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >

In a message dated 5/9/2005 8:21:34 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have a general question that I am sure has been asked and answered to death; Where on the net can I go to learn how to figure out relationships, such as a first cousin, great niece, etc.? I recently met a distant relative and it dawned on me that once I leave my immediate family I am confused as to where everyone else fits in. Thanks in advance. Pat Carden>> _www.bkwin.com_ (http://www.bkwin.com) Brother's Keeper is an excellent program, and you can download and test it out. For a quick answer, just put in your line, your cousin's line, until they have a common ancestor, then you can go to the tool bar, and you'll see, near the last, a drop down which will have COMPUTE RELATIONSHIP. It will scan and figure the exact relationship to 300-600 people. It also allows you to print out the relationship tree...

I have a general question that I am sure has been asked and answered to death; Where on the net can I go to learn how to figure out relationships, such as a first cousin, great niece, etc.? I recently met a distant relative and it dawned on me that once I leave my immediate family I am confused as to where everyone else fits in. Thanks in advance. Pat Carden

Hi Bob! Thanks so much for such a detailed reply - it was most welcome. This is a very irritating family! I think that the first Joseph Jenkins in Market Street is the more likely to be my friend's relative, which is a shame as there are no siblings which could give me a clue to his roots. Thanks also for his marriage details - in fact the only official records I have of Joseph, is his marriage, his death and an entry on the Wales 1901 census - it really is agony. I'm researching the Jenkins family on behalf of a friend (for the friend's father's 80th birthday - as a surprise - his birthday is end of June and I'm making very little headway for the amount of hours spent!). The 'Josephs' that appear on earler cenus all appear, when tracked, to marry other people. Elvira is the only family member who is rock solid. Well I won't let it beat me so am hoping to find a record of the funeral in a local newspaper which may give mourners and relationships, or may be baptism records for his children with godparents - am scraping the barrell now! Thanks again - lovely sunny Saturday morning in Wales - so definitely gardening weather! All the best, Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert O'Neill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [PA-LAC] JOSEPH JENKINS BORN SWANSEA WALES 1864 > Dear Julie: > > There are two Joseph Jenkins listed in Scranton in the 1890-1892 city > directories. > > 1) Joseph Jenkins, 1890, miner, 425 E. Markel (probably a mispelling of > Market Street) > > No other Jenkins are listed at this address. However, Thomas Bromage, > shoemaker, 1890 and John C. Nicholson, laborer, 1892 are listed at the same > address > > 2) Joseph Jenkins, 1890-1, fire boss, 1918 Wayne avenue > > Others at the same address: > > Job Jenkins, laborer > John Jenkins, boss > Lewis Jenkins, driver > David Jones, miner > Henry Morgan, miner > > > 1881 Wales Census: > > 4 Joseph Jenkins in Wales in or near Swansea. None have a father named > William. The following entry was interesting: > > Carmarthen Rd 2 Glasbrook Row (Gendros), Swansea Higher, Glamorgan, Wales > > Thomas Jenkins abt 1851, Head > Elizabeth Jenkins abt 1853, Wife > David Jenkins abt 1875, Son > Joseph Jenkins abt 1873 , Son > Hannah Jenkins abt 1877, Daughter > Llewellyn Jenkins abt 1880, Son [Lewis in Scranton??] > John Jenkins abt 1855, Lodger > > Not headed by a William, but the men's names, including the lodger John, > match those at 1918 Wayne Avenue, Scranton in 1892. > > From the England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 > Marriage of Joseph Jenkins and Elvira Davies > Quarter: June 1889 > District: Merthyr Tydfil > County: Breconshire Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan > Volume: 11a > Page: 880 > > > I hope this is helpful. > > > Bob O'Neill > Tuckahoe, NY > > > > > > > > > >From: "Julie Blackman" <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [PA-LAC] JOSEPH JENKINS BORN SWANSEA WALES 1864 > >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:59:12 +0100 > > > >Dear List! > > > >Am desperately trying to locate the above family member for a friend. To > >say he is elusive is putting it mildly and I can hardly sleep at nights > >trying to think of new ways to locate his family! Here are the details: > > > >JOSEPH JENKINS married Elvira Davies in Wales in 1889 and apparently > >immediately emmigrated to Scranton Pennsylvania to carve a new life for > >them both. He was a coal miner later a Colliery Timberman below ground. > >He supposedly emmigrated with his brothers - also miners. Elvira refused > >to join him and he returned home and their first child was born in Wales in > >1897. Thus, sometime or all of the time between 1889 and 1897 he was > >residing in Pennsylvania, hopefully during the 1890 census. > > > >One of my problems is that Joseph does not appear on any census in the UK > >prior to the 1901 census, at least not in a form I recognise. On his > >marriage certificate his father is William Jenkins also a coal miner. The > >national birth index for England and Wales lists no Joseph Jenkins with a > >father William born in Swansea for circa 1864. If I could find Joseph with > >some brothers it would definitely help in pinpointing him over here! I > >have checked the few passenger lists that are available with Ancestry.com > >and he doesn't appear on those either! He's driving me batty! > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions/help? > > > >Thanks so much > > > >Julie in Wales > > > > > >==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > >Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? > >http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ > >To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Pennsylvania USGenWeb site for other county pages & lists http://www.usgenweb.org/pa > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 04/05/05 > >

Dear Julie: There are two Joseph Jenkins listed in Scranton in the 1890-1892 city directories. 1) Joseph Jenkins, 1890, miner, 425 E. Markel (probably a mispelling of Market Street) No other Jenkins are listed at this address. However, Thomas Bromage, shoemaker, 1890 and John C. Nicholson, laborer, 1892 are listed at the same address 2) Joseph Jenkins, 1890-1, fire boss, 1918 Wayne avenue Others at the same address: Job Jenkins, laborer John Jenkins, boss Lewis Jenkins, driver David Jones, miner Henry Morgan, miner 1881 Wales Census: 4 Joseph Jenkins in Wales in or near Swansea. None have a father named William. The following entry was interesting: Carmarthen Rd 2 Glasbrook Row (Gendros), Swansea Higher, Glamorgan, Wales Thomas Jenkins abt 1851, Head Elizabeth Jenkins abt 1853, Wife David Jenkins abt 1875, Son Joseph Jenkins abt 1873 , Son Hannah Jenkins abt 1877, Daughter Llewellyn Jenkins abt 1880, Son [Lewis in Scranton??] John Jenkins abt 1855, Lodger Not headed by a William, but the men's names, including the lodger John, match those at 1918 Wayne Avenue, Scranton in 1892. From the England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983 Marriage of Joseph Jenkins and Elvira Davies Quarter: June 1889 District: Merthyr Tydfil County: Breconshire Glamorgan Mid Glamorgan Volume: 11a Page: 880 I hope this is helpful. Bob O'Neill Tuckahoe, NY >From: "Julie Blackman" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [PA-LAC] JOSEPH JENKINS BORN SWANSEA WALES 1864 >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 21:59:12 +0100 > >Dear List! > >Am desperately trying to locate the above family member for a friend. To >say he is elusive is putting it mildly and I can hardly sleep at nights >trying to think of new ways to locate his family! Here are the details: > >JOSEPH JENKINS married Elvira Davies in Wales in 1889 and apparently >immediately emmigrated to Scranton Pennsylvania to carve a new life for >them both. He was a coal miner later a Colliery Timberman below ground. >He supposedly emmigrated with his brothers - also miners. Elvira refused >to join him and he returned home and their first child was born in Wales in >1897. Thus, sometime or all of the time between 1889 and 1897 he was >residing in Pennsylvania, hopefully during the 1890 census. > >One of my problems is that Joseph does not appear on any census in the UK >prior to the 1901 census, at least not in a form I recognise. On his >marriage certificate his father is William Jenkins also a coal miner. The >national birth index for England and Wales lists no Joseph Jenkins with a >father William born in Swansea for circa 1864. If I could find Joseph with >some brothers it would definitely help in pinpointing him over here! I >have checked the few passenger lists that are available with Ancestry.com >and he doesn't appear on those either! He's driving me batty! > >Does anyone have any suggestions/help? > >Thanks so much > >Julie in Wales > > >==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? >http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ >To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >

Dear List! Am desperately trying to locate the above family member for a friend. To say he is elusive is putting it mildly and I can hardly sleep at nights trying to think of new ways to locate his family! Here are the details: JOSEPH JENKINS married Elvira Davies in Wales in 1889 and apparently immediately emmigrated to Scranton Pennsylvania to carve a new life for them both. He was a coal miner later a Colliery Timberman below ground. He supposedly emmigrated with his brothers - also miners. Elvira refused to join him and he returned home and their first child was born in Wales in 1897. Thus, sometime or all of the time between 1889 and 1897 he was residing in Pennsylvania, hopefully during the 1890 census. One of my problems is that Joseph does not appear on any census in the UK prior to the 1901 census, at least not in a form I recognise. On his marriage certificate his father is William Jenkins also a coal miner. The national birth index for England and Wales lists no Joseph Jenkins with a father William born in Swansea for circa 1864. If I could find Joseph with some brothers it would definitely help in pinpointing him over here! I have checked the few passenger lists that are available with Ancestry.com and he doesn't appear on those either! He's driving me batty! Does anyone have any suggestions/help? Thanks so much Julie in Wales

Richard, You are correct on all accounts. When I first looked at it the image it was very difficult to read. After I enlarged the image I see it as you say. I found the record in the Lackawanna County section. The Galuska name has been difficult to trace. I am trying to prove another's records. Many thanks. Don Sayre, PA -----Original Message----- From: Richard M. Reese [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Institution Ransom Twp. or Berkins Twp., Pittston City, poor district The Luzerne County Poor House, Pittston district, was located at Ransom, Lackawanna Co. In later years this was known as either the Newton-Ransom, or Luzerne County, Convalesant Home. The Berkins Twp. reference mystifies me. I believe you must mean Jenkins Twp. which is just outside Pittston. All of those locations are Luzerne County; however, I am at a loss to identify any institutions other than the Pittston Hospital in that area. Perhaps some other lister would know of others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJWilsey67" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [PA-LAC] Institution Ransom Twp. or Berkins Twp., Pittston City, poor district > > > Can some one tell me what Institution/prison was in the Ransom Twp., or > Berkins Twp., Pittston City and Pittston Twp., Lackawanna Co., PA as written > on 1920 Federal Census sheet. > > > > There is a Frank Galuska age 48 listed and trying to determine if he is > connected to a Veronica Ann Galuska that I am researching. > > > > Thanks, Don Wilsey > > Sayre, PA > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe

The Luzerne County Poor House, Pittston district, was located at Ransom, Lackawanna Co. In later years this was known as either the Newton-Ransom, or Luzerne County, Convalesant Home. The Berkins Twp. reference mystifies me. I believe you must mean Jenkins Twp. which is just outside Pittston. All of those locations are Luzerne County; however, I am at a loss to identify any institutions other than the Pittston Hospital in that area. Perhaps some other lister would know of others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJWilsey67" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: [PA-LAC] Institution Ransom Twp. or Berkins Twp., Pittston City, poor district > > > Can some one tell me what Institution/prison was in the Ransom Twp., or > Berkins Twp., Pittston City and Pittston Twp., Lackawanna Co., PA as written > on 1920 Federal Census sheet. > > > > There is a Frank Galuska age 48 listed and trying to determine if he is > connected to a Veronica Ann Galuska that I am researching. > > > > Thanks, Don Wilsey > > Sayre, PA > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > >

Can some one tell me what Institution/prison was in the Ransom Twp., or Berkins Twp., Pittston City and Pittston Twp., Lackawanna Co., PA as written on 1920 Federal Census sheet. There is a Frank Galuska age 48 listed and trying to determine if he is connected to a Veronica Ann Galuska that I am researching. Thanks, Don Wilsey Sayre, PA

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Not found in the June 1948 Scranton Times. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheri" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: [PA-LAC] PA--LACKAWANNA--TAYLOR----JOHN H. THOMAS > Hello, > I'm looking for the obituary for : > JOHN H. THOMAS who died 01 June 1948 > Born 22 June 1869 > > Thank You, > Sheri Nielsen > Maine,USA > > > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > >

Those would be a County record, so the best place for such would be the Courthouse. You probably should be able to get a copy of his criminal file as well. Good Luck! Curly <[email protected]> wrote: good morning listers~ Is there any information on prision records either online or at a library? Looking to find out when my great grandfather was arrested and when he was released. Time frame 1910 and the prison was Lackawanna County Prison. Thanks, Curly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== Search the Lackawanna pages: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/search.html To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe Sue __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

good morning listers~ Is there any information on prision records either online or at a library? Looking to find out when my great grandfather was arrested and when he was released. Time frame 1910 and the prison was Lackawanna County Prison. Thanks, Curly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

GOOGLE has a bunch of stuff on west end coal co pa. Try and see if you can find what you want. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bugno, John" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [PA-LAC] West End Coal Company PA > Hello, > > > A friend of mine sent me a coal miner's listing of the registration > card for Miner for the West End Coal Co. > > > It show a John Bugno, however I can't read most of the form. Does > anyone have a web site that I might visit for this coal company and what a > standard form would be. Then I would like to try to get a copy of this > specific form that was filled out. > > > Thank You, > John Bugno > Warrenton,VA, USA > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > >

Hello, A friend of mine sent me a coal miner's listing of the registration card for Miner for the West End Coal Co. It show a John Bugno, however I can't read most of the form. Does anyone have a web site that I might visit for this coal company and what a standard form would be. Then I would like to try to get a copy of this specific form that was filled out. Thank You, John Bugno Warrenton,VA, USA

Hello, I am looking for any information on the family of John and Elizabeth Fagan who resided in Scranton. They had several children Jerome, Gerald, Joseph, Edmond, Loretta, Florence, Helen, Martha, and Margaret. I believe that John and Elizabeth may be burried in Cathedral Cemetery but am unsure of their death dates. Thanks, Kim

Dear list, A few months ago I helped out a person that was looking for the name VAN VALEN in Scranton...would that person please email me offlist, I may have found more info for you... Regards, Dave Yarros [email protected]

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