Hi Everyone I joined this list only last week and already I've seen results! Thanks to Erik Samson I have found a little about Hannah Burdett, the granddaughter of my great-great aunt Miranda Burdett (born Cavill) and her husband Charles. Miranda and Charles, Miranda's brothers Walter and Fred Cavill (possibly also William), and their parents George and Sarah Cavill, all emigrated to Scranton / Taylor in the 1880s/90s. Some in-laws called Dimaline emigrated too. Is anyone else researching these names? Diana, Chicheter, West Sussex, England

Hi Cathy, I have a Bailey line. Thomas, Maria, son Samuel and grandson Alfred Bailey. Living in Scranton and buries at Shady Lane in Chinchilla. Cannot find a connection to your Albert. Shawn > [Original Message] > From: albert bailey <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/30/2005 12:07:47 PM > Subject: [PA-LAC] Bailey,Pfund,grove,Rettig Longshawfamily > > Hello, > RE: Bailey, Pfund,Grove, Rettig, or Longshaw Family > > Just wondering if anybody has heard of any of these family's in the Scranton area. Albert Longshaw Bailey was supposedly born in Scranton Pa in 1885 . I have been looking for sometime for a birth record with no success. Hoping somebody might be able to help me break thru this darn brick wall. My husband is an Albert Longshaw Bailey as well. Thanks for any insight. > > Cathy Bailey > > [email protected] > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Have you visited some of the surrounding counties? http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/#Surrounding_Counties > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >

Hi Diane, My name is Shawn Presner. I am the gg gdaughter of John Harris, victim of Avondale. I have learned of the memorial from Jeff Thomas and my husband and I will attend the cememonies. Thank you for advising the LIST of the event. I appreciate all of your efforts. Shawn > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/29/2005 8:36:00 PM > Subject: [PA-LAC] Avondale Mine Disaster Commemoration Events ��� September 10 > > > Would like to invite everyone to attend one or both days of the events > honoring the 136th anniversary of the 1869 Avondale Mine Disaster in Plymouth > Township, Luzerne County, PA, in which 110 miners perished. > On Saturday, September 10 from 11AM to 1PM please join us for a ceremony at > the site of the disaster, off Route 11 in Plymouth Township, Luzerne County. > Saturday���s event includes music, live breaker boys, recognition of miners > and their families and the descendents of the deceased, tours and exhibits on > the Avondale site, the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, discussions of > the significance of the site and more. Proceeds from Avondale memorabilia > sold by the Plymouth Historical Society will be donated to community efforts to > preserve the mine disaster site. From 1PM to 4PM there will be refreshments > and a reception at the Plymouth Township Rec Park. > On Sunday, September 11 from 1PM to 3PM, join us at Washburn Cemetery in > Scranton, where 61 of the men who died in the Avondale disaster are buried. In > addition to much of Saturday���s program, Sunday���s event will also include a > reading of the original eulogy for the men, a cemetery tour and flower > placements at the graves, and a presentation by the Amvets Honor Guard of Dupont. > Refreshments will follow the ceremony. > These events are sponsored by the Anthracite Living History Group with > support from a long list of local historical, genealogical, governmental, and > preservation groups. Both events are free to the public. Help us honor and > preserve the memory of these men and the site where they died. > For agenda, directions, and full list of supporters please visit > _http://www.avondale1869.org/_ (http://www.avondale1869.org/) . This is a new website > created to provide information on the Avondale and its history as well as > information on site preservation efforts. > Please join us! It is sure to be a wonderful event that will fill your > spirit with pride, a sense of community and a chance to be proud of our coal > region cultural heritage. Don���t miss it! > Questions: Contac Robert Hughes at Eastern Pennsylvania Coalition for > Abandoned Mine Reclamation at 570-674-7993 or Joe Keating, founder of the > Anthracite Living History Group, at 570-779-2526. > Thank you, > Diane R > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Subscribers -- Off topic postings (particularly political, advertising, or just plain rude) > AND responses on the list are grounds for being Unsubscribed > Please forward any offending email to <mailto:[email protected]> >

Pertaining to the government limiting access to birth and death records, according to Cynthia Beaudette the person who wrote the article this is in relation to public law #108-458 the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. In reviewing the public law which can be found on the internet, I found nothing in the law stating that they would limit access to birth and death certificates nor anything pertaining to them being renewed every 5 years. It did mention the matching of death certificates, SSN numbers to birth certificates and noting this on the birth certificates. As to the money, apparently states can apply to the federal government for grants in getting their systems up and running. Deb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] General: Gov. to limit access to Birth and Death Records In a message dated 8/27/2005 7:11:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > the new law will also require > birth certificates to be renewed every five years Are you sure this is not some sort of urban legend? The staff to renew birth certs would require huge local expenses. Where's the money to come from? Unfunded mandates on local government is illegal in most cases. If no funding is available, no law change will take place! Maybe this means that they want to pass the BC file up against the SS death records to flag BCs as deceased? Still requires big bucks as most BC's are not carried in automated records, and it would be huge effort to type an index of the past 70 years. Susan in San Jose, Ca ______________________________

George is my husband. I'm the one doing family research. My Loftus is Timothy (listed as Edward on 1900 census) from Olyphant; emigrated around 1890 and settled in Olyphant. He and Catherine/Kate (McAndrew) had an adopted son, James. Hope this helps. Cathy Mapp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Munley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [PA-LAC] Gibbons,McAndrews,Hnes, Langley, Mulcahey > George, I have several Loftus' in my tree. None that married a Catherine > McAndrews, but perhaps the Loftus line will connect. All were from Jessup > area. > > Katie Munley > Janesville, WI > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Mapp [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Gibbons,McAndrews,Hnes, Langley, Mulcahey > > My Gibbons/McAndrew line come from Olyphant - Mary McAndrew, brothers > Martin and William, sister Catherine/Kate (Loftus), parents Patrick and > Mary > McAndrew. Mary McAndrew married William Gibbons ca. 1873, children > Patrick > b. 1877; Martin b. 1878, John b. 1885. Martin Gibbons is my direct > ancestor. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael G. Walsh" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Gibbons,McAndrews,Hnes, Langley, Mulcahey > > >> SUZIE - I'm interested in the McAndrew family >> from Lackawanna County, primarily Throop, >> Olyphant, Dunmore, Scranton. (My mother's >> family). >> I guess my family lacks the "s" (as in >> McAndrews), but if I can help, just drop a line. >> >> Mike Walsh >> Muskegon, Michigan >> >> --- Kimberly Preston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Suzie, >>> Who are you searching for in the McAndrews >>> line? I have a Loretta Fagan >>> who married a Thomas McAndrews and if they are >>> a part of your family, I can >>> put you in touch with someone who may have more >>> info than me on that line! >>> Thanks, >>> Kim >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Suzie Potter" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:05 AM >>> Subject: [PA-LAC] Gibbons,McAndrews,Hnes, >>> Langley, Mulcahey >>> >>> >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I'm back online now. Here are a few surnames >>> that I am researching. >>> > >>> > Suzie >>> > >>> > >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Express yourself instantly with MSN >>> Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >>> > >>> >> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>> > Pennsylvania USGenWeb site for other county >>> pages & lists >>> http://www.usgenweb.org/pa >>> > To unsubscribe: >>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>> Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives >>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html >>> To unsubscribe: >>> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________ >> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >> ______________________________ > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? > http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > > ______________________________

Have you tried for a death record ? According to the censes this is what turns up for your surnames in the Scranton area. (Lackawanna & Luzerne Counties). Bailey's = They were in Scranton from 1870 through 1930, also thoughout Luzern from 1790 to 1930. Pfund's = None, but there are Pond's from 1900 through 1930, in Scranton. Grove's = 1900 & 1910, they were in Lackawanna from 1850 through 1930, and in Luzerne from 1790 through 1930. Rettig's = 1920, also in Luzerne during that same time period. Longshaw's = None in Scranton but they were in Luzerne in 1830 and in Lackawanna in 1880. Debby Malecki [email protected] Searching for surnames and anyone connected to them : Pennsylvania - AYERS, EYERMAN, GALLAGHER, HARKINS, MCCLEARY, MCGUINNIS, MCGOWEN, MCLAUGHLIN, SNODGRASS, SNYDER, VANDERMARK, WOLF(E) Maryland - BENNINGTON, COCHRAN, DUFF. MCCLEARY, PAVARD, SMITHSON North Carolina - ANDREWS, COCHRAN, HANKS, HARRINGTON, LITTLE, LONG, JENKINS, NEALEY, POWELL, SIMMONS, SPICER, TOMPKINS, WALTERS, WATTS, WILLIS, YATES Germany - EYERMAN, GUTMANN, HOFFMAN, PFLINZINGER, SCHMITT, TRUNZER > Hello, > RE: Bailey, Pfund,Grove, Rettig, or Longshaw Family > > Just wondering if anybody has heard of any of these family's in the Scranton area. Albert Longshaw Bailey was supposedly born in Scranton Pa in 1885 . I have been looking for sometime for a birth record with no success. Hoping somebody might be able to help me break thru this darn brick wall. My husband is an Albert Longshaw Bailey as well. Thanks for any insight. > > Cathy Bailey > > [email protected] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16 - Release Date: 08/26/2005

Hope this will help, if this is not him for sure could you give additional info to help find him. ------------------------------------------------------- 06-02-03-1900, Scranton Ward 20, Lackawanna, Pa William D Bailey Head Mar 1843 Wales Wales Wales Elizabeth Wife June 1848 Eng Eng Eng William F Son Nov 1876 Pa Wales Eng Albert Son Nov 1888 Pa Wales Eng Lovina Daug Aug 1883 Pa Wales Eng Lida Daug Oct 1885 Pa Wales Eng Elizabeth Daug May 1891 Pa Wales Eng William and Elizabeth were married 37 years, she had 12 children with 8 living at the time. William D immigrated in 1848 and Elizabeth in 1854. They lived at 520 Brool Street. ----------------------------------------------------- Debby Malecki [email protected] Searching for surnames and anyone connected to them : Pennsylvania - AYERS, EYERMAN, GALLAGHER, HARKINS, MCCLEARY, MCGUINNIS, MCGOWEN, MCLAUGHLIN, SNODGRASS, SNYDER, VANDERMARK, WOLF(E) Maryland - BENNINGTON, COCHRAN, DUFF. MCCLEARY, PAVARD, SMITHSON North Carolina - ANDREWS, COCHRAN, HANKS, HARRINGTON, LITTLE, LONG, JENKINS, NEALEY, POWELL, SIMMONS, SPICER, TOMPKINS, WALTERS, WATTS, WILLIS, YATES Germany - EYERMAN, GUTMANN, HOFFMAN, PFLINZINGER, SCHMITT, TRUNZER > Hello, > RE: Bailey, Pfund,Grove, Rettig, or Longshaw Family > > Just wondering if anybody has heard of any of these family's in the Scranton area. Albert Longshaw Bailey was supposedly born in Scranton Pa in 1885 . I have been looking for sometime for a birth record with no success. Hoping somebody might be able to help me break thru this darn brick wall. My husband is an Albert Longshaw Bailey as well. Thanks for any insight. > > Cathy Bailey > > [email protected] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16 - Release Date: 08/26/2005

Hey John; Boy did you bring back memories.When my 8th grade class had their picnic thereI couldn't afford the price and neither could a friend of mine so we rode our bikes from Chinchilla.This was approx 1940.It took us all day but we had fun on the way home we stopped at Heart Lake to fish All we got was leeches all over our hands. Good talking to you. Bill Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Middleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) > How nice to reminisce. I am also in my 70s and rode my bicycle from > Scranton to Lake Ariel. A childhood friend and I rented a row boat and > camped overnight on an island. We had a great time in the amusement park > and swimming at the beach. In later years I became interested in the > Gravity Rail Road and traced it's old road bed right through the site of > the old park. I came across an old stereo-optic picture taken of the lake > from the Gravity RR but the name was Jones Lake. > > My mother used to tell stories about riding the coaster and carousel as > did I when the park was open. After the park closed the carousel was > moved to Skyline Park in Owego, NY. and has since disappeared to parts > unknown. > > You can read a bit more at: http://www.nepalostparks.com/parks/ariel.html > > A bit off subject but it caught my interest. > > John in NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill thomas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) > > >> Ruth and Erik >> Nice hearing from you folks,I think I know all about Lake Ariel >> now.Incidentally I am 78 I don' t know it happened but it did. >> Be well >> Bill Thomas in NJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik A. Samson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) >> >> >>> Hi Ruth, >>> >>> I am 54 years old and was born in 1951. I just barely remember the >>> amusement park and the beach house. I did spend many a summer at the >>> beach. I was born and grew up in Lake Ariel and have returned to live. >>> The beach and amusement park are both gone. The beach is fenced in and a >>> house has been built where the amusement park was. >>> >>> Not much left of the old Lake Ariel. >>> >>> They still have fireworks and two chicken barbeques along with the >>> fireman's picnic. But that is about it. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Erik >>> >>> Erik A Samson >>> Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 >>> [email protected] >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:47:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>> [email protected] writes: >>>> >>>> Erik A Samson >>>> Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Erik, >>>> >>>> I haven't heard that name in a long time. My Dad used to take us >>>> there to >>>> watch the fireworks back in the late 40's ( now you know I'm >>>> ncient ). >>>> >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>>> Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>> Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? >>> http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ >>> To unsubscribe: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Pennsylvania USGenWeb site for other county pages & lists > http://www.usgenweb.org/pa > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > >

Hello, RE: Bailey, Pfund,Grove, Rettig, or Longshaw Family Just wondering if anybody has heard of any of these family's in the Scranton area. Albert Longshaw Bailey was supposedly born in Scranton Pa in 1885 . I have been looking for sometime for a birth record with no success. Hoping somebody might be able to help me break thru this darn brick wall. My husband is an Albert Longshaw Bailey as well. Thanks for any insight. Cathy Bailey [email protected]

Dear Charlie, Yes, there is a full list. Go to _http://www.avondale1869.org/_ (http://www.avondale1869.org/) and click on Men and Boys Who Perished. Thanks you. Diane

Would like to invite everyone to attend one or both days of the events honoring the 136th anniversary of the 1869 Avondale Mine Disaster in Plymouth Township, Luzerne County, PA, in which 110 miners perished. On Saturday, September 10 from 11AM to 1PM please join us for a ceremony at the site of the disaster, off Route 11 in Plymouth Township, Luzerne County. Saturday’s event includes music, live breaker boys, recognition of miners and their families and the descendents of the deceased, tours and exhibits on the Avondale site, the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, discussions of the significance of the site and more. Proceeds from Avondale memorabilia sold by the Plymouth Historical Society will be donated to community efforts to preserve the mine disaster site. From 1PM to 4PM there will be refreshments and a reception at the Plymouth Township Rec Park. On Sunday, September 11 from 1PM to 3PM, join us at Washburn Cemetery in Scranton, where 61 of the men who died in the Avondale disaster are buried. In addition to much of Saturday’s program, Sunday’s event will also include a reading of the original eulogy for the men, a cemetery tour and flower placements at the graves, and a presentation by the Amvets Honor Guard of Dupont. Refreshments will follow the ceremony. These events are sponsored by the Anthracite Living History Group with support from a long list of local historical, genealogical, governmental, and preservation groups. Both events are free to the public. Help us honor and preserve the memory of these men and the site where they died. For agenda, directions, and full list of supporters please visit _http://www.avondale1869.org/_ (http://www.avondale1869.org/) . This is a new website created to provide information on the Avondale and its history as well as information on site preservation efforts. Please join us! It is sure to be a wonderful event that will fill your spirit with pride, a sense of community and a chance to be proud of our coal region cultural heritage. Don’t miss it! Questions: Contac Robert Hughes at Eastern Pennsylvania Coalition for Abandoned Mine Reclamation at 570-674-7993 or Joe Keating, founder of the Anthracite Living History Group, at 570-779-2526. Thank you, Diane R

Is there a list of names available for the miners that died there? 䐼噉ാⴊⴭⴭ传楲楧慮敍獳条⁥ⴭⴭഭഊ㰊䥄㹖਍牆浯›氦㭴楄湡剥潯敮慀汯挮浯朦㭴⼼䥄㹖䐼噉ാ吊㩯☠瑬倻䱁䍁䅋ⵗ䁌潲瑯睳扥挮浯朦㭴⼼䥄㹖䐼噉ാ匊湥㩴䴠湯慤ⱹ 䄠杵獵⁴㤲‬〲㔰㜠㌺‵䵐⼼䥄㹖䐼噉ാ匊扵敪瑣›偛ⵁ䅌嵃䄠潶摮污⁥楍敮䐠獩獡整⁲潃浭浥牯瑡潩癅湥獴阠匠灥整扭牥ㄠ‰⼼䥄㹖⼼䥄㹖਍䐼噉㰾剂㰾䐯噉ാ> > Would like to invite everyone to attend one or both days of the events > honoring the 136th anniversary of the 1869 Avondale Mine Disaster in Plymouth > Township, Luzerne County, PA, in which 110 miners perished. > On Saturday, September 10 from 11AM to 1PM please join us for a ceremony at > the site of the disaster, off Route 11 in Plymouth Township, Luzerne County. > Saturday’s event includes music, live breaker boys, recognition of miners > and their families and the descendents of the deceased, tours and exhibits on > the Avondale site, the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, discussions of > the significance of the site and more. Proceeds from Avondale memorabilia > sold by the Plymouth Historical Society will be donated to community efforts to > preserve the mine disaster site. From 1PM to 4PM there will be refreshments > and a reception at the Plymouth Township Rec Park. > On Sunday, September 11 from 1PM to 3PM, join us at Washburn Cemetery in > Scranton, where 61 of the men who died in the Avondale disaster are buried. In > addition to much of Saturday’s program, Sunday’s event will also include a > reading of the original eulogy for the men, a cemetery tour and flower > placements at the graves, and a presentation by the Amvets Honor Guard of Dupont. > Refreshments will follow the ceremony. > These events are sponsored by the Anthracite Living History Group with > support from a long list of local historical, genealogical, governmental, and > preservation groups. Both events are free to the public. Help us honor and > preserve the memory of these men and the site where they died. > For agenda, directions, and full list of supporters please visit > _http://www.avondale1869.org/_ (http://www.avondale1869.org/) . This is a new website > created to provide information on the Avondale and its history as well as > information on site preservation efforts. > Please join us! It is sure to be a wonderful event that will fill your > spirit with pride, a sense of community and a chance to be proud of our coal > region cultural heritage. Don’t miss it! > Questions: Contac Robert Hughes at Eastern Pennsylvania Coalition for > Abandoned Mine Reclamation at 570-674-7993 or Joe Keating, founder of the > Anthracite Living History Group, at 570-779-2526. > Thank you, > Diane R > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Subscribers -- Off topic postings (particularly political, advertising, or just plain rude) > AND responses on the list are grounds for being Unsubscribed > Please forward any offending email to <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/05 > >

Hi Susan, >>>We've probably all had one version or another of swine flu. (or so the author says) I have to disagree with this statement. I'm like the only person I know who has NEVER had the flu.(Knock on wood !) Everybody in the house could have it and pass it around.I just don't catch it. I usually get called names 'cuz I'm not sick when the family is at it's most miserable,lol. I have had pneumonia , But never a bad case. My doctor told me not to complain,lol. Take care, Sheri Nielsen Maine,USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Spanish Flu Epidemic > Yes, it's true, Spanish Flu is a variety of swine flu, per DNA analysis, > science, not politics. Apparently there is a path of transmission from birds > through swine to humans for this broad category of flu. We've probably all had > one version or another of swine flu. (or so the author says) > > Susan > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the Lackawanna County page lately? http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/ > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe > >

In a message dated 8/29/2005 5:57:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Descendants of Fredrick Krieger 1 Fredrick Krieger 1806 - 1883 ... +Henrietta Krieger Unknown - ..... 2 Sophia Krieger 1864 - 1914 .......... +William H Stermer 1861 - 1931 ............. 3 Caroline Elizabeth Stermer 1889 - 1974 .................. +Casper Jennings Samson 1888 - 1943 ............. 3 Henrietta Netti Stermer 1893 - 1987 .................. +Ira Conklin 1891 - 1968 ..... 2 Fred Krieger Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Philip Krieger 1859 - 1930 ............. 3 Philip H Krieger 1886 – 1918 ............. 3 John Krieger 1884 - 1945 ..... 2 William Krieger 1871 - 1950 .......... +Ella Krieger 1861 - 1937 ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Baxter Kipp Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Sherman Bloss Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Fred Olsomer Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 John Krieger 1855 - 1909 .......... +Matilda Obert 1864 - 1931 Erik A Samson Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 [email protected] Erick, since you are impaired I am witting this in extra large font. Kind of makes it easier for me too as it's getting harder for me to see. Now, I presume you are new to searches as there isn't much to work with in your information. This may be all you know but at the least we can infer more and thus begin a search. Do you have living relations who may have a family bible? If you do talk to these people and keep notes on everything you do.Get family stories, photographs artifacts, including marriage, death and anything else you can get. A digital camera is excellent in that you can photograph all his stuff and get instant results. If you do not have a good genealogy program do get one. I use Family Tree Maker. Some swear by it, others swear at it. I'm sure there is better but it's what I use. What ever you use be sure to foot note and source EVERYTHING. If you do not do this, you will find yourself going over the same territory repeatedly, and only later remembering "Oh, I've done this before". I see you live in PA, which is where my LANTZ - LANCE people moved to between about 1810 and 1870. Are your people in PA, and if so where in PA? If not in PA, where did they live? Famalies tend to live in clusters so concentraite on these clusters and mine the information in that manner. From what you write, Fredrick b 1816 married Henrietta and had five children you know of and a number of daughters for which you have no given name. Let's begin with the most recent person and work backwards. We have a choice of William who died in 1950 or a Stermer who died in 1974. We can look at both but let's pick one to begin with at the moment. Do you know where William is buried? He lived about 78 years much of which was in the 20th century so my bet is we can find quite a bit about him. He will have an SSI as will most people after 1931. There will be tax records, probably, if you are just a bit lucky a Polk's directory which will tell you a lot about where he was living, what like of work he had, who his wife was and also list his children. 1950 wasn't all that long ago and it's likely the cemetery where he is buried is still in operation so you can get his burial information and also an obit listing who his children were. There are exceptions but many famielys stayed close to each other through great spans of time so from William it's likey you will find other members who live close to him. Find out what church or churches you family attended and see if there are records there. I'm missing a lot here, but get back to me if you have more questions. Cheers Laurence Lance Seattle

Hi, The island is still there, but a bit smaller. Its name is Dumb Man's Island. There was a book written about the island and its name. I will get the web address of the book since it has been put on the web. Just a few facts about the lake. I believe it is about 400 acres. and at its deepest place it is over 80 feet. Starting at the beach and heading towards the island the lake forms some what of a Y. To the right it opens up into another body of water called Mud Pond. I believe that name has been changed, but I do not know the new name. I can remember swimming from the beach to the island. It was 1/4 miles. At the outlet area of the lake was a town known as Jonestown. This was the original town. It is my understanding that when the railroad came to Lake Ariel this is why Lake Ariel was formed at the head of the lake. Chicken or egg, I do not know which occurred first. The formation of the town Lake Ariel or the coming of the railroad. Take care all, Erik Erik A Samson Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Middleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) > How nice to reminisce. I am also in my 70s and rode my bicycle from > Scranton to Lake Ariel. A childhood friend and I rented a row boat and > camped overnight on an island. We had a great time in the amusement park > and swimming at the beach. In later years I became interested in the > Gravity Rail Road and traced it's old road bed right through the site of > the old park. I came across an old stereo-optic picture taken of the lake > from the Gravity RR but the name was Jones Lake. > > My mother used to tell stories about riding the coaster and carousel as > did I when the park was open. After the park closed the carousel was > moved to Skyline Park in Owego, NY. and has since disappeared to parts > unknown. > > You can read a bit more at: http://www.nepalostparks.com/parks/ariel.html > > A bit off subject but it caught my interest. > > John in NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bill thomas" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) > > >> Ruth and Erik >> Nice hearing from you folks,I think I know all about Lake Ariel >> now.Incidentally I am 78 I don' t know it happened but it did. >> Be well >> Bill Thomas in NJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Erik A. Samson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 2:56 PM >> Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) >> >> >>> Hi Ruth, >>> >>> I am 54 years old and was born in 1951. I just barely remember the >>> amusement park and the beach house. I did spend many a summer at the >>> beach. I was born and grew up in Lake Ariel and have returned to live. >>> The beach and amusement park are both gone. The beach is fenced in and a >>> house has been built where the amusement park was. >>> >>> Not much left of the old Lake Ariel. >>> >>> They still have fireworks and two chicken barbeques along with the >>> fireman's picnic. But that is about it. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Erik >>> >>> Erik A Samson >>> Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 >>> [email protected] >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: [PA-LAC] Lake Areal (spelling???) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> In a message dated 8/26/2005 6:47:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, >>>> [email protected] writes: >>>> >>>> Erik A Samson >>>> Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Erik, >>>> >>>> I haven't heard that name in a long time. My Dad used to take us >>>> there to >>>> watch the fireworks back in the late 40's ( now you know I'm >>>> ncient ). >>>> >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>>> Visit the Lackawanna County, PA Archives >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/lackawp.html >>>> To unsubscribe: >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== >>> Have you visited the Genealogical Research Society of NE PA? >>> http://www.cfrobbins.com/grsnp/ >>> To unsubscribe: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== PALACKAW Mailing List ==== > Pennsylvania USGenWeb site for other county pages & lists > http://www.usgenweb.org/pa > To unsubscribe: http://www.rootsweb.com/~palackaw/mailist.html#unsubscribe >

Hi group, Looking for anyone who has information on these Krieger families. I am not sure if the relationships are correct. I know these individuals are related, however my information may be very incorrect as to the relationships. Krieger’s were in Bidwell Hill/Ledgedale, Wayne County from the early 1800’s to the late 1800’s. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Since I am legally blind I am restricted to search by snail mail and the internet. Thanks so much, Erik Descendants of Fredrick Krieger 1 Fredrick Krieger 1806 - 1883 ... +Henrietta Krieger Unknown - ..... 2 Sophia Krieger 1864 - 1914 .......... +William H Stermer 1861 - 1931 ............. 3 Caroline Elizabeth Stermer 1889 - 1974 .................. +Casper Jennings Samson 1888 - 1943 ............. 3 Henrietta Netti Stermer 1893 - 1987 .................. +Ira Conklin 1891 - 1968 ..... 2 Fred Krieger Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Philip Krieger 1859 - 1930 ............. 3 Philip H Krieger 1886 – 1918 ............. 3 John Krieger 1884 - 1945 ..... 2 William Krieger 1871 - 1950 .......... +Ella Krieger 1861 - 1937 ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Baxter Kipp Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Sherman Bloss Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 Daughter Krieger Unknown - Unknown .......... +Fred Olsomer Unknown - Unknown ..... 2 John Krieger 1855 - 1909 .......... +Matilda Obert 1864 - 1931 Erik A Samson Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania 18436 [email protected]

Yes, it's true, Spanish Flu is a variety of swine flu, per DNA analysis, science, not politics. Apparently there is a path of transmission from birds through swine to humans for this broad category of flu. We've probably all had one version or another of swine flu. (or so the author says) Susan

Those Social Security Death Indexes are ba dime a dozen! Everybody and their brother has them! All genealogy sights either sell the CDs or make the use of the index free online! Putting the stop to that would be like stopping guns! Almost impossible!!

I did have another thought about the death certificate aspect of this nightmare. I bought, some years ago, a SS Death Index from a company that specializes in genealogical research materials. In my possession, I have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of SS numbers. I use the index to find dates of death so I can look for obituaries or send for death certificates. I'm sure that I am not the only person in the country who possesses such dangerous contraband. It never occurred to me to use this index for anything other than for research. I'm wondering if the miniminds in government are aware of these CD's. The type of information that they are trying to withhold from honest researchers is readily available from many sources. Ancestry.com has more updated indices than the one I use. Should I expect someone in the garb of Darth Vader to appear at my door soon to collect this hazardous device? Nothing surprises me anymore. It appears to be another case of closing the barn door after the horse has fled. Quite typical of the political mind. Marybeth VW.

Concerning the Spanish Flu check these websites. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/ This PBS site includes a timeline of events http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Flu http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda/ http://www.ninthday.com/spanish_flu.htm The quote below comes from the website directly above. Gives all of us pause for thought "As Webster reminds〓 us, "All the genes of all influenza viruses in the world are being maintained in aquatic birds, and periodically they transmit to other species... The 1918 viruses are still being maintained in the bird reservoir. So even though these viruses are very ancient, they still have the capacity to evolve, to acquire new genes, new hosts. The potential is still there for the catastrophe of 1918 to happen again." All sites indicate Kansas as the initial site of the flu symptoms.