I am looking for information on Thomas Creighton, the youngest son of Andrew and Isabella (Jones) Creighton. He was born in Juniata County sometime about 1806-1815 (?). All I know about him is that he died in Allegheny County (Pittsburgh area) when he fell from a roof. His siblings included Andrew, William C. Creighton Sr., Isabella, and Joseph. If you have any information at all about Thomas, including his spouse and children, please contact me. I have a lot of information on the Creighton's I'm willing to share if this is a line you're researching. Thanks much, Debbie Fisher dfisher@vicon.net Huntingdon County, PA

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6C7F32A36868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks: Just thought you might enjoy and appreciate this poem. I know I certainly did!!! Donna Heller Zinn of Cumberland Co., PA. --------------6C7F32A36868 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: PACUMBER-L-request@rootsweb.com Thu Sep 23 23:36:40 1999 >From bin Thu Sep 23 23:36:40 1999 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05568; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:36:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18084; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sogel@aol.com Message-ID: <a7839aaf.251c4b84@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:35:32 EDT Subject: [PACUMBER-L] Genealogist's Lament Old-To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 26 Resent-Message-ID: <cWTJPD.A.aaE.sGv63@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1574 X-Loop: PACUMBER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PACUMBER-L-request@rootsweb.com A wonderful monk in New England just sent us this... now here is the reason why we are all having such a difficult time finding our ancestors <grin> Enjoy .... Kelly James & Maria Lamberton THE ELUSIVE ANCESTOR > > I went searching for an ancestor. I cannot find him > still. > He moved around from place to place and did not > leave a will. > He married where a courthouse burned. He mended all > his fences. > He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census. > > He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had > no fame. > And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his > name. > His parents came from Europe. They should be upon > some list > of passengers to U.S.A., but somehow they got > missed. > > And no one else in this world is searching for this > man. > So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. > I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he > was blessed; > but the weather took engraving, and some vandals > took the rest. > > He died before the county clerks decided to keep > records. > No Family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my > efforts. > To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many > groans, > Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl > named JONES. > > by Merrell Kenworthy > > > > ==== PACUMBER Mailing List ==== Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html For us forgetful types there is an on-line credit card option. --------------6C7F32A36868--

THE ELUSIVE ANCESTOR I went searching for an ancestor. I cannot find him still. He moved around from place to place and did noteave a will. He married where a courthouse burned. He mended all his fences. He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame. And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name. His parents came from Europe. They should be upon some list of passengers to U.S.A., but somehow they got missed. And no one else in this world is searching for this man. So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed; but the weather took engraving, and some vandals took the rest. He died before the county clerks decided to keep records. No Family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named JONES. by Merrell Kenworthy

I am researching Bealor family.. Trying to locate information on Eli Bealor, Born: around 1885. He had the following brothers & Sisters:Salome, Anna, Matilda, Joseph B., Ira, Leonard Shul, John, Myrtle, and William. William is my grandfather. William and Eli stayed in PA, and the others moved West. His wifes name was Eliza and I've been told they had no children. Any information would be appreciated.

I am researching Francis (b. abt 1722) and Margery Milliken INNIS (b abt 1726) of Tuscarora Valley, Juniata County. Their children were Nathaniel, James, Francis, Mary, Jane, Elizabeth Rev. Cutherbertson's diary, reprinted in the form of a register of Marriages and baptisms, refers to the baptism of Mary INNIS on Sept. 21, 1755, but gives the father as James INNIS, not Francis INNIS. On May 3, 1759, the Rev. baptizes James INNIS, and again lists the father as James INNIS, not Francis INNIS. Both baptisms occur at or near David Dunwoody's, of the Pequa Society, and or affiliated with the Rock Creek Church north of Gettysburg. While the dates of the Mary and James baptisms above somewhat coincide with the conjectured ages of Francis INNIS kids, it is curious that the father is listed as James, not Francis. There is no indication that Francis alway went by the name James, or that he was Francis James, or James Francis. The Rev. also baptized Francis and Elizabeth INNES on April 10, 1763, at R. Stephenson's of the Marsh Creek Society, and lists the father as Francis INNES. If we overlook the difference in the spelling of the last name, why would the Rev. refer to the same (if he is that?) person/father twice as James in 1755 and 1759, and then as Francis in 1763? Knut W. Barde

I am searching for information On Bertha Ida KNOUSE tradition states that she married BIDDLEMAN, and they lived in Bloomsburg, Colombia County, PA 1. GEORGE G.8 KNOUSE (CHRISTIAN7, DANIEL6, CHRISTIAN5 KNAUSS, CONRAD4, GOTTFRIED3, LUDWIG2, LUKAS1) was born 11 Feb 1868, and died 07 Feb 1894. He married IDA LUCY RAMSEY. She died Unknown. Children of GEORGE KNOUSE and IDA RAMSEY are: i. BERTHA IDA9 KNOUSE, d. Unknown; m. BIDDLEMAN; d. Unknown. ii. HOLMAN GEORGE KNOUSE, b. 23 Mar 1894, Meiserville, Snyder Co., PA; d. Unknown Ron Knouse Researching the KNAUSS/KNOUSE, RANNELS/REYNOLDS, ALLEMONG/ALLIMANG/ALLEMAN, KNERR/KNORR, ZELLERS, HAAS, Families.

Christian may have been born in Dauphin or Lancaster County, PA. Christian Reed died in Colombia or Monitor County, PA possibly Bloomsburg. . Christian6 Alleman (John Christopher5, John4, John Christian3, Christian2 Allimang, Johan Jacob1 Allemong) was born September 3, 1804, and died January 1, 1869. He married (1) Louise Schneck, daughter of Schneck and Elizabeth. He married (2) Catherine Schneck Abt. 1830, daughter of Schneck and Elizabeth. Children of Christian Alleman and Louise Schneck are: + 370 i. Benjamin Franklin7 Alleman, born December 10, 1842; died April 10, 1920. + 371 ii. Adeline Rebecca Alleman, born July 17, 1849; died September 11, 1925. + 372 iii. Christian Reed Alleman, born July 3, 1852; died November 18, 1880. 373 iv. John Albert Alleman, born September 14, 1854; died February 15, 1855. 374 v. Mary Elizabeth Alleman, born March 30, 1859; died January 26, 1951. She married Edwin Williamson May 15, 1897. Child of Christian Alleman and Catherine Schneck is: 375 i. unknown7 Alleman, born Abt. 1831; died June 1832. Ron Knouse Researching the KNAUSS/KNOUSE, RANNELS/REYNOLDS, ALLEMONG/ALLIMANG/ALLEMAN, KNERR/KNORR, ZELLERS, HAAS, Families.

Lyne Cone wrote: > > Hi All, > I am seeking info on The John Hardy and the Thomas Hardy families.They were > from Ireland! /////////////////////////////////////////////////// Hello Lyne, Here is what I have pieced together on a Thomas Hardy family, with kind help from three other researchers: Thomas HARDY's full name was Thomas Augustus (or Augustus Thomas) HARDY. On 12/19/1832 he was born one of nine children to Protestant Scots-Irish immigrants Christopher Hardy, Sr. and Nancy Scott in the town of Patterson (now Mifflin), Juniata Co. On 1/22/1857 he married Mary Jane Suloff of Mifflin, daughter of Jacob ZULAUF>SULOUFF>SULOFF and Eve THOMAS. He enlisted in the Army in 1864. In 1865 he moved (with wife and two children) to Wolcott, Indiana, moved again in 1866 to Monticello, Indiana, and in 1889 moved to his final home just west of Monon, White Co., Indiana. He was one of the original members of the Presbyterian Church in Monon, and was a member of G.A.R. Post No. 101 of Monon. He died at home 11/12/1895. Thomas' wife, Mary, had died in Monticello, Indiana, on 12/28/1878 at age 42. She had born the following children: James W. b. 11/27/1857; Laura J. b. 1859; David Kerlin b. 3/14/1866; Jolene Ann 'Julia' b. 6/28/1868; Thomas b. 4/23/1870 d. 2Y 8M 2D; Mary E. 'Maud' b. 5/28 1870; Alexander S. b. 1872. I do not have further information on the children of Thomas and Mary, but would very much like to learn about any descendants so I could include them in the SULOUFF/SULOFF FAMILY HISTORY I am writing. Please let me know if you are related to Thomas and Mary. My information is that Thomas' older brother, Christopher, Jr., also moved from Juniata Co. to Indiana and lived near Thomas. The 1870 census shows their father, Christopher, Sr., living in the household of Thomas in Indiana. I regret I do not have information on the John HARDY you mention. The only John HARDY in my records is reportedly the great-grandfather of Thomas and Christopher, Jr., a resident of Ireland in the early 18th Century. Hope this helps. Nelson

Ronald Knouse wrote: > > I am searching for Eliza HAAS b. 08 Jan 1823 d. 27 March 1897 some information indicates her first husband was a PONTIUS. > > Second husband was Daniel KNOUSE of Greenwood Twp. > > Daniel and Eliza produced 5 children: > > Eli KNOUSE b. 01 Apr 1852, d. 1889, m. Mary HENDRICKS. > > Fianna KNOUSE b. 17 Feb 1854, d. 1937, m. George E. LONG. > > Amelia J. KNOUSE b. 16 Mar 1856, d.1929 m. Abraham LONG. > > Amanda KNOUSE b. 18 Jul 1858. D. 21 Sep 1865. > > David Nelson KNOUSE b. 13 Jun 1861 > > Research indicates she may have been born in what is now Snyder, Perry, Dauphin, or Juniata Counties, PA. She and Daniel are Buried in Barners Cemetery in Liverpool Twp. Perry County, and lived in and near Oriental, Juniata County, PA. > > Any information regarding Parents and Siblings or the first husband's (Pontius) family would be appreciated. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Ron, I am not researching any of the names you mention. However it might be of help to tell you that while doing 18-19th Century work I encountered the PONTIUS surname in the Buffalo Valley area of what is now Union Co. PA.; and in about the same timeframe I found the KNOUSE name established around Kratzerville in what is now Snyder Co. PA. Nels

Does anyone have information on the family of Major John D. Howell of Lack Township? His father was Memucan J. Howell (1790-1819) who was married a Rachel Rhea. Memucan was a doctor and the son of a John Howell who moved to the Juniata area from New Jersey? I only have vague information that John's father came to America with William Penn and lived in New Jersey. khaigis@together.net

Hi All, I am seeking info on The John Hardy and the Thomas Hardy families.They were from Ireland! John-m-1811-Miffintown,Pa.-Elizabeth(Betsy)Partner David-m-1813-Lydia Metlin Christopher-m-1820-Nancy Scott Jonathan-m-1825-Jane Metlin James-m-1834-Jane H. McCrum If you have any info I would greatly appreciate it. They were in the 1767 Lack Twp.Juniata County. Taxes. Thank you. Lyne Cone lynec1@midwest.net

Hi Shirley: I am a direct descendant of David Miller (b.1797 d.21-Feb-1868 in Juniata Co., PA.) and Mary Jane Reigle [aka Riegel, etc.] (b.ca.1799 d.26-Jan-1877 in Peru Mills, Lack Twp., Juniata Co., PA.). I have never found where David and Mary Jane are buried and have had a hard time following their children as I do not have a complete list of names. They had a son, Peter Long Miller who was killed during the battle of Spottsylvania. They also had a daughter Catherine who married a Joseph Richardson [this is my direct line]. I was able to find a son, William on the 1870 Census. He was b.ca.1837 and a farmer with $900 in Real Estate and $340 in Personal Estate. He was married to an Ada K., also b.ca.1837 and had a son, James b.ca.1869. Also living with them at that time was William's mother, Mary (b.ca.1802) and an Isaac Miller (b.ca.1854)[this may be a son or a nephew?????]. All were residing in Lack Twp., Juniata Co. and received their mail at East Waterford. In 1885, a James L. Miller [believe this is the one listed above?] stated that he is 17 years of age and residing in McVeytown, PA. and that he is the grandson of Mary [Jane Reigle] Miller and that she is dead. He also stated that she was entitled to the Mother's Pension that she received before her death for her son, Peter Long Miller's service [and death] in the Civil War. I have never been able to tie my Millers into the ones from Millerstown. My Millers seem to have "come from" Franklin and maybe even Snyder [then Union] Counties. I did have a hard time following which David and Mary Miller my ancestors were as there was another couple by the same names and just about the same ages residing in Juniata Co. at the same time. The "other" David and Mary seemed to have resided and owned property towards the easterly end of Juniata Co. while mine were in the westerly townships. Any help would be ever so much appreciated. To make things even more "funny", I have a David R. Miller (b.1829, in Silver Springs Twp., Cumberland Co., PA.) who married a Frances "Fanney" Brownawell. This David's parents were to be Abraham and Elizabeth Shupe Miller from Silver Spring Twp. and Dauphin Co., PA. respectively. I also have several old photos of a few Millers who were from Duncannon [at least that is where the photographer was from] and do not know who they are. I presume they are related somehow to the Brownawells as that is where the photos were found - in a Brownawell family album. Hope to be hearing from you soon...... Donna Heller Zinn Shirley Oxenrider wrote: > > I am a decendant of the Millers of Lewistown, Mifflin Co., Juniata Co., > and Millerstown Pa. Our line consisted of Miller/Rice to Miller/Baker > to Miller/Rhine and to my parents Kenneth G. Miller and Althes Noland. > Any info would be greatly appriciated. shirlo@epix.net

To the group, Thanks to all for sending the directions to the cemeteries. I really appreciate all the answers. This is a great, sharing, giving group. Barb K.

Hi group, Hope someone can help. We are planning a trip to Juniata Co. right after Labor Day & only know where the courthouse is in Mifflintown. I have ancestors in two different cemeteries & need directions on how to find them. East Salem Presbyterian/United Brethren Emetery in Delaware Twp., Juniata Co. Lost Creek Presbyterian Churchyard in Fayette Twp., Juniata Co. Any help will be appreciated. thanks for your time & effort. Researching: DUNN, James [b c. 1790], wife Elizabeth & children. BURRIS, John [b.1798 - d. 1882], wife Rebecca & children. CRAWFORD, William D. [b.1854] wife Hannah M. or A. BURRIS [b1857] & children. Barb Kelley in St. Petersburg, FL

I am trying to connect my husband's ancestors to the Perry County Yohn family. My husband's gggrandfather was John Yohn (b. 10/3/1831 - d. 2/22/1891). He was raised in the Tuscarora Valley, probably in the Beale Twp. in Juniata County. This John Yohn was married to Cordelia Wertz (b.11/21/1833 - d. 1/17/1904) from McAllisterville, Juniata Co. on 7/18/1856 in McAllisterville. (I would also welcome information on Cordelia's parents.) John & Cordelia moved to the area of Madison Twp., Perry Co. in the 1860's. They lived there until John's death in 1891. He is buried in Stoney Point Cemetery in Madison Twp. Cordelia then moved back to McAllisterville & is buried in the Lost Creek Pres. Cem. The children of John and Cordelia Yohn were William G. Yohn, George Washington Yohn, Mary Jane Yohn, Margaret E. Yohn, John Wesley Yohn, Emlin Matilda Yohn & Phebe Ellen Yohn. I do have birth dates & add'l info. on some of these children from a family Bible listing. John Yohn's father was also John Yohn and John Sr., according to an affadavit he made, was living and around 80 years old in 1888. I have no idea who was John Jr's mother. John Jr may have had a brother or cousin, Peter, who was married to Lydia Hess and also lived in the Sandy Hill area of Perry County. I suspect that this family might tie into Isaac Yohn that was married to Elizabeth Hartman. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has any information about this family that might help me to either prove or disprove that it ties into the Perry County Yohns that are documented in the Flickinger Family History. June Yohn wjyohn@gateway.net

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2C0E75DCB17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Listers [again]: Here is yet another interesting story that was sent to me via e-mail. Get out your tissues 'cause your gonna need them. Enjoy! Donna --------------2C0E75DCB17 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: PACAMBRI-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Aug 22 01:20:02 1999 >From bin Sun Aug 22 01:20:02 1999 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25751 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:20:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28532; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: KStutz1054@aol.com Message-ID: <afaa72bc.24f0e221@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:18:25 EDT Old-To: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Subject: [PACAMBRI] Taps and Captain ROBERT ELLICOMBE Resent-Message-ID: <zOtZKC.A.H9G.Dh4v3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2555 X-Loop: PACAMBRI-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PACAMBRI-L-request@rootsweb.com Hello List Wondering if anyone researching the name ELLICOMBE can shed any light on the veracity of the following story on the origin of Taps --poignant, but factual? The story of 'Taps' began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army Captain Robert ELLICOMBE was with his men near Harrison's Landing in Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip of land. During the night, Captain ELLICOMBE heard the moan of a soldier who lay mortally wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or Confederate soldier, the captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man back for medical attention. Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the captain reached the stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his encampment. When the captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The captain lit a lantern. Suddenly, he caught his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his son. The boy had been studying music in the South when the war broke out. Without telling his father, he enlisted in the Confederate Army. The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his superiors to give his son a full military burial despite his enemy status. His request was partially granted. The captain had asked if he could have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for the son at the funeral. That request was turned down since the soldier was a Confederate. Out of respect for the father, they did say they could give him only one musician. The captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of his dead son's uniform. This wish was granted. This music was the haunting melody we now know as "Taps" that is used at all military funerals. In case you are interested, these are the words to "TAPS": Day is done, Gone the sun, From the lakes, From the hills, From the sky. All is well. Safely rest. God is nigh. ==== PACAMBRI Mailing List ==== When responding to a message thread that has been ongoing, please check the subject line to make sure that it accurately reflects the topic of your message. --------------2C0E75DCB17--

The following address has a rather complete history of taps, including the story just put on the list, for which there is no apparent source. http://www.west-point.org/taps/Taps.html John

Hi Listers: Here's another interesting story that was sent to me and should be an addition to the "History Lesson" that I sent previously. This one is also very interesting and explains the meaning of a very common saying. Hope you all enjoy this one also... Donna Heller Zinn ============================================================ Subject: Re: [PAWESTMO-L] [Fwd: History Lesson] Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:04:22 -0400 From: "FRYE FAMILY" <frye@gnat.net> To: <djzinn@pa.net> Intresting stories Donna, Heres one you might not have heard of. In the early years of our country, The continential armed forces would usually not set camp in the middle of nowhere.Usually they would stay at large farms where landowners would let the army use their resources as their donations to the cause. The armies would sometimes stay for days...sometimes weeks. When the landowner thought the welcome was worn out.....He would invite the General or top ranking soldier to dinner. During one of the courses they were served a shoulder of pork which was served cold. It was the gentlemans way, without saying anything out loud.....that it was time to move on. So came the expression of giving someone the " COLD SHOULDER" Letting him know without saying so. It was taken without offence and the army would move on... Thought you might like to hear that to add to your intresting stories... Kevin Frye@gnat.net Butler Georgia http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------18441ED81F2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi fellow lister: I am forwarding this. It is very interesting reading - hope you enjoy! Donna Heller Zinn --------------18441ED81F2B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: DCPAHunt@aol.com Sat Aug 21 05:54:30 1999 >From bin Sat Aug 21 05:54:30 1999 Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27135 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 05:54:29 -0400 From: DCPAHunt@aol.com Received: from DCPAHunt@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id eUMFa05141 (4181) for <linda.heilander@dol.net>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 05:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9bdf33c1.24efd104@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 05:53:08 EDT Subject: History Lesson To: linda.heilander@dol.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 246 Hello! I thought you might appreciate this piece of early history information. Enjoy! Life in the 1500s: Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were just starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women, and finally the children. Last of all were the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually loose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets ... dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs, etc. lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs." There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it took care of the problem. Hence those beautiful big four poster beds with canopies. The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors which would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until it would all start slipping outside when you opened the door. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, hence a "thresh hold." They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been there for a month. Hence the rhyme: Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old. Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that happened. When company came over, they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes ... for 400 years. Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers-a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, they would get "trench mouth." Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust." Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake." England is old and small and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and reuse the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they started tying a string on the deceased wrist and led it through the coffin and up through the ground where is was tied to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer." --------------18441ED81F2B--

Hi folks: Below is a forward of a follow-up message to yesterday's message on WWI Draft Registrations that I forwarded to the lists. There must have been some confusion from the info and I hope this will help to clarify things... Sincerely, Donna Heller Zinn ============================================================ Subscribers, Here is a follow up message to yesterdays WW I Draft information Message. I hope this helps answer any questions you may have had. Don Varner Coordinator, USGenWeb Project, Cambria County PA > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacambri/ < Coordinator, Rootsweb Mailing list, Cambria County, PA FOLLOW UP MESSAGE: I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager ==== PACAMBRI Mailing List ==== Questions, Comments, Suggestions? Contact the PACAMBRI list owner (Don Varner) directly Email address: CamCoPa@AOL.com