Dear List, Just a thank you for the address of Noah Zimmerman. Had heard of him years ago as a reference in research done on my LANDIS line, but had no current address until a member of the list (Linda) came thru for me. Wrote with a request on my WARNER family, and just received a glorious note full of cemetery records, about half of which are in my direct line. Will have to check the others as I go, but he sure is a treasure, isn't he? I can now understand how my Landis and Warner families connected, as they were early on involved in the Mennonite community. Just wanted to acknowledge this list, and the people who contribute to it, and of course, Noah Zimmerman. Will have to next send some specific questions for Mr. Zimmerman on my direct line, and see what he can come up with. Thanks again, Margaret Cane

Hi- I am looking for any BERKHEISERS and their relatives. Some other early names are Jacob and Catharine Berger, Michael and Dorothea Hoffman, Johannes and Susanna Beyer, and Johannes and Elizabeth Miller. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Gregory

Is anybody on the list interested in the family of Jacob DELANCEY? He was born 14 Apr. 1799, PA; parents Francis and Catherine (_______) DELANCEY; m. Rebecca CARL, 11 Feb. 1823, Perry Co., PA; resided Juniata Co., PA, 1830, 1840, 1850, 1860 and 1870; d. 14 March 1881; buried Old Church Cemetery, Spruce Hill Tsp., Juniata Co., PA. Known children - Jane Mary (ca. 1824-1891, m. William WHARTON, Jr.), (Joan?) (ca. 1834-?), Caroline (ca. 1837-?) and Samuel (ca. 1839-?). Would be glad to exchange information about this family. Bob Saunders Salem, Oregon saundersrj@earthlink.net

Jim R. Foster, CPA wrote: > > Barb: > (Snip) > I am reserching several lines centered primarily in central PA, would you > plese review your files for any of the following in the PA area and advise. > It would be much appreciated. > > Lines of interest: Beasom, Basom, Decker, Foster, Frontz, Harshbarger (all > variations), Jackson, Miller, and Webb. Jim jrfostercpa@compuserve.com //////////////////////////////////////// Jim, I am responding to your mention of the surname BASOM. I am interested in parents and descendants of Emaline BASOM 3 Jan 1852-18 Aug 1872. I have nothing whatsoever on her parents. If you have any knowledge of Emaline BASOM's parents and ancestry, would you please contact me? Here is the beginning of what I have on the descendants of Emaline BASOM: Emaline BASOM married 29 Dec 1870 to John Edmund 'Ed' SULOUFF 16 Jul 1850-5 Nov 1935. She bore only one child before her early death at age 20, namely Sara Jane 'Sally' SULOUFF 25 Mar 1871-9 Aug 1953. Sally SULOUFF was married on 3 Jun 1890 to David Steward STUCK 25 May 1864-8 Aug 1942. The STUCK children were (Benjamin) Frank b. 26 Sep 1890; Merril E. b. 5 Mar 1895; Nevin L. b. 11 Dec 1897; John Harry b. 25 Nov 1900; Oliver S. b. 26 May 1903; and finally after 5 sons, a girl(!) Florence b. 29 May 1906. All these children are now deceased. Sallie and David S. STUCK were members at Niemond's Church in Juniata Co. and are buried in that church's cemetery, among a large number of STUCK ancestors and relatives. The SULOUFF>SULOFF FAMILY HISTORY is in final stages of preparation for the 4th printing, and I would appreciate hearing from the STUCK descendants of Emaline (BASOM) SULOUFF, so that as many as possible might be included in this revision. Nelson R. Sulouff

I am searching for information of Stoner ancestors and/or relatives of Abraham STONER and his wife Catherine FUNK. The were married about 1826 or 1817. Bob in Kansas

--part1_0.310886ed.256eaa13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_0.310886ed.256eaa13_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <djzinn@pa.net> Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb05.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:48:38 -0500 Received: from emh1.pa.net (emh1.pa.net [205.166.61.145]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (v65.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:48:27 -0500 Received: from duppp7.crl3.cumberland.pa.net (duppp7.crl3.cumberland.pa.net [206.228.69.71]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA30773; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: <383D67F1.5EDC@pa.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:46:41 -0800 From: Donna <djzinn@pa.net> Reply-To: djzinn@pa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Malijazz@aol.com, ltruett@innernet.net, devore4@innernet.net, ELeo101632@aol.com, TAnt102439@aol.com, jabber3421@aol.com, MKutz10@aol.com, sactec@earthlink.net, DFox1943@aol.com, pacman@pa.net, bjbenner@acsworld.net, Dugr@prodigy.net, genegene@epix.net, bsharar@pa.net Subject: Things I Am Thankful For! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is something that just came over the NET. I think we all can relate to a few of these - at least. Have a Happy Thanksgiving! Donna ************************************************************************ >><< I am thankful for...... >>> >>> the mess to clean up after a party >>> because it means I have >>> been surrounded by friends. >>> >>> the taxes I pay because >>> it means that I am employed. >>> >>> the clothes that fit >>> a little too snug >>> because it means I >>> have enough to eat. >>> >>> my shadow who >>> watches me work >>> because it means I am >>> out in the sunshine. >>> >>> a lawn that needs mowing, >>> windows that need cleaning >>> and gutters that need fixing >>> because it means I have a home. >>> >>> the spot I find at the >>> far end of the parking >>> lot because it means >>> I am capable of walking. >>> >>> all the complaining I >>> hear about our government >>> because it means we >>> have freedom of speech. >>> >>> my huge heating bill >>> because it means I am warm. >>> >>> the lady behind me in >>> church who sings off >>> key because it means >>> that I can hear. >>> >>> the piles of laundry >>> and ironing because >>> it means my loved >>> ones are nearby. >>> >>> the alarms that goes off in >>> the early morning hours >>> because it means that I'm alive. >>> >>> weariness and aching >>> muscles at the end of the day, >>> because it means >>> I have been productive. >>> >>> good friends to send this e-mail to! >>> >>> Let's be thankful - not only at Thanksgiving, but every day. --part1_0.310886ed.256eaa13_boundary--

Hello All, I am asking for any help anyone can give me regarding the dead-end I have hit regarding my WARNER roots in Genesee County, Michigan. The family I am seeking is that of WASHINGTON WARNER and his wife Mary (unknown maiden name). In the 1860 census, three of their children are shown: GEORGE (1847), LYDIA 1850) and EMORY BRADFORD WARNER ( my great-grandfather) (1852). All three were born in Flushing Township (Genesee County, MI). By 1880, Emory Warner has married CAROLINE PERKINS, whose family hailed from Jefferson County, New York and settled in Hemlock (Saginaw County), MI. Washington WARNER's occupation is listed as a shoemaker, a trade carried on by his sons. The 1860 census records also show that Washington and Mary were born in New York, but the 1880 census shows them being born in Pennsylvania. A book titled "The History of Genesee County" (MI) written around 1890, shows Washington Warner listed under "Overseers of the Poor 1848. There are Warner references in Eaton and Shiawassee Counties, MI. Family lore from my 95 year old cousin says The Warner family in Pennsylvania might have been from the Philadelphia or Pittsburgh areas, with a reference to "Pennsylvania Dutch," which surprised me because I have been told my Warner's emigrated from either England or Ireland. Yes, I'm confused too! Thank you for taking the time to read all of this. Any information will be 100% more than I have right now. Can I sound any more pitifully desperate? Sincerely, Kevin O'Brien Laguna Hills, California Researching: Dorchester Perkins Shannon Van Schaick Warner Ivall Lowe Gauley

Sorry that it's taken me so long to reply. There is a Rice family page on the internet. Just go to yahoo and type in Rice. If you don't find it write to me. khaigis@together.net -----Original Message----- From: MillikenM@aol.com <MillikenM@aol.com> To: PAJUNIAT-L@rootsweb.com <PAJUNIAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 7:10 AM Subject: RICE family >In Kilmer Cemetery, Turbett Twp, Juniata Co PA I found the following: > >Catherine (RICE)-wife/James HARRIS 25 Jan 1809 - 19 Aug 1887 dau/Peter & >Rebecca (WOLFKILL) RICE. > >Anyone have descendants or information on this family? --Mike Milliken >MillikenM@aol.com > >

Dear Nelson, Noah Zimmerman did supply information when a cousin did research on our Landis line, but that was in 1966. Wasn't sure he was stiil there. Would appreciate his current address if you have it. Thanks, Margaret

I found Juniata Co. Genealogy at: http://www.usgennet.org/~ahpajuni/juniata.index.html And cemeteries at: http://www.usgennet.org/~ahpajuni/jucem.htm "Nelson R. Sulouff" wrote: > In the past I was able to pull up Juniata Co. Cemeteries information at > this URL: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~pajuniat/jucem.htm > > Today when I tried to bring up the cemeteries namelists I got the > message "Not Found > > The requested URL /~pajuniat/jucem.htm was not found on this server." > > Evidently the cemeteries listings have been moved to a new URL. Can > anyone on this list tell me how to find Juniata County cemeteries name > listings now? > > Nelson R. Sulouff

In the past I was able to pull up Juniata Co. Cemeteries information at this URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pajuniat/jucem.htm Today when I tried to bring up the cemeteries namelists I got the message "Not Found The requested URL /~pajuniat/jucem.htm was not found on this server." Evidently the cemeteries listings have been moved to a new URL. Can anyone on this list tell me how to find Juniata County cemeteries name listings now? Nelson R. Sulouff

MillikenM@aol.com wrote: > > In Kilmer Cemetery, Turbett Twp, Juniata Co PA I found the following: > > Catherine (RICE)-wife/James HARRIS 25 Jan 1809 - 19 Aug 1887 dau/Peter & > Rebecca (WOLFKILL) RICE. > > Anyone have descendants or information on this family? --Mike Milliken > MillikenM@aol.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Mike, I cannot help you with descendants for Catherine Rice, but I may be able to help you with some earlier Rice family information if you want it. The Rice family was very prominent in Mifflin (now Juniata) Co. at the time Catherine Rice lived. The oldest section of the Old Church Hill (Lutheran) Cemetery begun in 1802 near Port Royal, Juniata Co. is named the "Rice Section." There are about four dozen persons with the Rice surname buried in that section, for whom I have gravestone information. Let me know if you have any names of relatives for Catherine Rice for whom you need gravestone information. Nelson R. Sulouff

In Kilmer Cemetery, Turbett Twp, Juniata Co PA I found the following: Catherine (RICE)-wife/James HARRIS 25 Jan 1809 - 19 Aug 1887 dau/Peter & Rebecca (WOLFKILL) RICE. Anyone have descendants or information on this family? --Mike Milliken MillikenM@aol.com

Dear List, Am searching the surname WARNER in Juniata County. Recently received info that three brothers came to America from England, Abraham, Daniel, and Samuel. Sam and Abe continued West, with Sam settling somewhere in California, Abe somewhere in the Midwest. Nothing more is known of them. Daniel settled in or around McAllisterville, PA, and married a girl named Kauffman, first name unknown. They had four children: Daniel Kauffman, b. April 7, 1838, d. Sept 06, 1919; Susan, married an unknown Shellenbarger; Samuel, nothing known of him, and Abe, nothing known of him. Daniel K. was my grgrgrandfather, and married Amelia Dunn d. abt.Dec.15, 1916(this may be death date or burial date). They married in McAllisterville on August 27, 1863. Found them in the 1880 Jun. Co. census, listing seven children. Their 3rd child, Samuel J. is my grgrandfather. My immediate family ended up in Altoona, PA, and some siblings and Samuel were there from time to time. Am searching for anyone who may be descended from this family. There is also a link to the Landis family from Juniata (my paternal grandmother, Elsie Landis), but have a great deal of information on them, thanks to a historian for the family. Would welcome any help on finding the other lines of the Warners. Thanks, Margaret Warner Cane

Can a first cousin, once removed, return? Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. Crazy.... is a relative term in MY family. Genealogy: Chasing your own tale! Genealogy: It's all relative in the end anyway. Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people. I trace my family history so I will know who to blame. It's hard to be humble with ancestors like mine! Life takes it's toll. Have exact change ready! Searching for lost relatives? Win the Lottery! That's strange; half my ancestors are WOMEN! Do I even WANT ancestors? Some I found I wish I could lose. Every family tree has some sap in it. FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. Friends come and go, but relatives tend to accumulate. Genealogists never die, they just lose their roots. Genealogy: A hay stack full of needles. It's the threads I need. Genealogy: Collecting dead relatives and sometimes a live cousin! Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. Heredity: Everyone believes in it until their children act like fools! I looked at my family tree...there were two dogs using it. I think my family tree is a few branches short of full bloom. Life is lived forwards, but understood backwards. My ancestors are hiding in a witness protection program. My family tree is a few branches short! Research: What I'm doing, when I don't know what I'm doing. Take nothing but ancestors, leave nothing but records. Theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.

Dr. John Daly, Illinois State Archivist, who is largely responsible for the Illinois Marriage Data Project, gave a speech a year ago today which should be noted by anyone interested in family history. The speech is reproduced at the following address: http://www.ancestry.com/magazine/articles/genpower.htm Regards, John

Looking for info and/or descendants of Richard DUNN died 1815 Greenwood Twp., Mifflin Co., PA. Greenwood Twp. may be in what is now Juniata Co., PA. They may have been of the Presbyterian faith. What cemetery may have been there in that time period? In his will, he listed wife Esther & children John, William, Thomas, Joseph, Richard, James, Samuel, Alexander. His son James is my line. any info will be appreciated. Will share info. Barb Kelley Bashak@aol.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7B787148161C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Listers: I was forwarded this from the Westmoreland List. This is quite lenghthly but is very informative. Just thought some of you may be interested as I was. Sincerely... Donna Heller Zinn of Cumberland Co., PA. --------------7B787148161C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: PAWESTMO-L-request@rootsweb.com Sun Oct 3 21:02:02 1999 >From bin Sun Oct 3 21:02:02 1999 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17913 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:02:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06754; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jlktrees@aol.com Message-ID: <48cbfb33.2529561f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:00:15 EDT Old-To: ILWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com, OHBELMON-L@rootsweb.com, OHMONROE-L@rootsweb.com, OHROOTS=L@rootsweb.com, TUSCARA-L@rootsweb.com, OHIO-VALLEY-L@rootsweb.com, washington-oh-digest@genweb.net, PABUCKS-L@rootsweb.com, PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com Old-CC: PACHESTE-L@rootsweb.com, PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com, PAHUNTIN-L@rootsweb.com, PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com, PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Subject: [PAWESTMO-L] German burial policies Resent-Message-ID: <4O6A5.A.UlB.Qx_93@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/8347 X-Loop: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PAWESTMO-L-request@rootsweb.com First an apology. I type very fast and typed my name wrong, and then used auto spell check and since I also don't see as well as I used to I accidentally let my letter go out under the name of Julienne. Wrong it is Jerilyn Sorry I have been very fortunate these past 19-15 years to travel a lot of the world and as I am very interested in the people and their customs I see more than just scenery. I do do the scenery bits, but love the old churches, buildings, museums. I am astounded at how many poor serfs must have died building the tall churches of Europe. This turned out to be very long so if you want - just delete me and go on. Several questions came my way about the cemetery policies in Europe. 1. I do not know if they dig the bones up or if they are gone at the end of the time but will find out. Probably depends on the amount of time you rented your space. 2. I am assuming the rental time starts at the time you purchase the lot. Hadn't really given it any thought before, but that would make sense. I am sure that if the family keeps renting the space they just go on top of each other. 3. One answer said that in England they consider embalming barbaric so they probably don't do it. Particularly today as very environment conscious and that would be putting chemicals in the soil. 4. Other answers brought out the way of the Indians who built pyres and burned their ancestors. Some Indian Tribes put them on the platform in the air and left them. When an Eskimo outlived their usefulness to the community, they just went into the wilderness to die. 5 One answer talked about being in Dublin where they were buried in the dry catacomb and have turned all leatherly. These were the priests and Nuns. I have seen the following in a church in Germany and one in Switzerland for the burial of Saints. They are buried in glass coffins which are kept at the front of the church. They are in their good clothes and are leaned as if on their side and using one arm to hold their head up. This is really odd. The clothes are rotting, but the bones are still OK. I had seen this years ago, but couldn't remember where and we found it again. These were both in Benedictine Monasteries, but I am sure that is not exclusive to them. Will continue with some of our experiences. You have to understand that I have no fear of cemeteries nor have I ever had. In the small towns you visit them often and never forget them on Memorial Day. Our family probably put flowers on 3/4 of the graves every year. My mother, age 82, is still doing it. If we knew the families were too far away or no descendants left to remember the older ones, my mother takes care of it. Plants peonies, iris, etc. Out in western Kansas we don't have as much rain as the East so can't do a lot, but what she can. When I first started this obsession (one of love but an obsession anyway), I used to visit many cemeteries and when the children were young, they were all given the names I needed and on vacations which I carefully scheduled to travel through areas that I needed information from, the four would fan out and yell when they found a name I needed. It is a joke in the family now. I have always had a fascination with the topic as well as medieval history and thus types of torture used by our ancestors. A large paper in high school convinced me that man was not always nice to another man. I am such a softy I can't kill a bug and that is probably why my fascination. Anyway, that might be why I do visit some of the places I do. Now for the travels. In Germany there is not a funeral in a church. They have chapels, I guess you call them that, in each cemetery and it is from there the service is held. No following a hearse, etc. I don't know where that came from. They are buried very soon and as I said in a white shroud. Czechoslovakia was about the same except that I found so many tombstones that had pictures of the deceased on them. I have also seen this at the Czech cemeteries in this country. I find this really great. A lot of the cemeteries in Czechoslovakia had a big stone and were usually covered totally with a large granite slab. Then there were sitting on the slab several small urn types for those who were cremated - again with pictures. We were hunting my husbands families roots at the time and was amazing to find the town they came from that had 9 houses in the 1870's still has 9 houses. As I understand it, they are quite dull on the outside but very nice on the inside - this was to prevent things being taken away during the Communist Regime. When we found his family tombstone it was labeled the family of KOSKAN. Now there were also KOSTKAN's in the same cemetery. Seems some were Catholic and some were Protestant -not sure which, but think KOSKAN were the Protestants. Still working on that. In Rome we took a tour of the Catacombs. I saw not a single bone so asked how can this be the Catacombs with no bones. This was my answer. Many ha been robbed through the years and what was left was not on the tour any more as they had too many people feint. Consequently I got another tour to see how it was done. Paris- When Napoleon rebuilt the city he had to dig up many many cemeteries. He left a beautiful city. At least he didn't build over them. All the bones from each cemetery was kept together and put in the Catacombs under the city and each labeled as to what cemetery they came from and years of use and anything else they might know. How they arranged the bones you can read in the Czech section of this dissertation - guess I had better call it that. The last time I was in Paris I decided to tour the Catacombs. Husband was in meetings all day so I went to the entrance, stood in line (yes it is a big tourist attraction) and paid my money and went down. I am expecting a short little trip. Three hours later I came up far away. They wind all over under the city and I have no idea where I was. Many, many of the tunnels are closed off. Thank God, you would never get back. During World War II, the French Resistance used the Catacombs for their headquarters with no problems. The Germans and others were afraid to go down there in the dark with all the bones.(So they say) In Prague we visited a very very old Jewish cemetery. Here they also were burying one on top of the other. What was interesting is that when they dig for the next person they remove the headstone, bury the new person, put the old headstone back on and add a new headstone. Some of the graves had 7 or 8 headstones. As you know Judaism does not allow cremation-at least that is what I understand. Now the next description does get macabre so if you have a weak stomach - quit reading. I said I would get back to the bone churches. Originally, the bones were all dug up and piled in the crypts of the churches to make way for new graves. A lot of these were the result of the Plague many many years ago. At the one I visited, someone had taken the time to make all sorts of church objects out of the bones. To say it was weird is putting it mildly. One Monstrance (forgot how to spell it) was made using every bone in the human body. The chandelier was made from bones. You would have to have seen it to believe it. No pictures, but I bought postcards. What bones were left were piled very nearly in arches along the sides. Large leg bones all stacked neatly like logs with the skulls sitting on top and all the rest of the extra bones piled behind.. As I said before I know of two Czechoslovakia and one in Italy but there may be more. One more part of the world and I will quit. As you know the Orient has a bad population problem and woman are not allowed to choose how many children they can have in many of the countries. I didn't get into the burial in China other than the Emperors, but in Japan we visited the oddest garden - very sad. There was a shrine covered with probably 5 to 6 hundred small dolls (10 to 15 inches tall). Each doll represented a dead baby, either from abortion or still birth. The numbers were overwhelming and then we were told that they only stay one month and are replaced. This was only for this area of Japan. How sad, but their way of remembering their lost ones. Sorry to end on such a sad note. Travel is fun and like one of the responders to my first missive, it is through the customs of the people and meeting those of other countries that we can perhaps make this a more peaceful country. I have found that wherever I go, people have the same wants for their families. Their customs are different and they go at it a different way, but each wants what is best for their children and none want war or killing. This drive for power causes such disorder in life. We hosted exchange students for 15 years and what a blessing. How can you go to war when you have friends in the country you are supposed to be mad at? OK back to chasing the elusive ancestor. Hope you enjoyed the discourse and I am ready to hit the court houses again. Jerilyn Koskan Orland Park, Illinois ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== To contact Nate Zipfel, Listmaster click below: mailto:nate@pa-roots.com --------------7B787148161C--

A few suggestions to clarify some points. Barbara Donna wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------7B787148161C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Listers: > > I was forwarded this from the Westmoreland List. This is quite > lenghthly but is very informative. Just thought some of you may be > interested as I was. > > Sincerely... Donna Heller Zinn of Cumberland Co., PA. > > Resent-Sender: PAWESTMO-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > 1. I do not know if they dig the bones up or if they are gone at the end of > the time but will find out. Probably depends on the amount of time you > rented your space. A common practice and still in use in many countries. The bones are tossed into a charnel house. In the cemeteries in South America, this is usually just a little block house. > > 2. I am assuming the rental time starts at the time you purchase the lot. > Hadn't really given it any thought before, but that would make sense. I am > sure that if the family keeps renting the space they just go on top of each > other. You have to pay a yearly maintenance fee in the older cemeteries. If you don't pay it (I don't know if there is a specific time period for lapsed payments) then the space is emptied and used for someone else. > > 3. One answer said that in England they consider embalming barbaric so they > probably don't do it. Particularly today as very environment conscious and > that would be putting chemicals in the soil. Many countries do not use embalming. We seem to have a fascination with this in the US. Most countries have a law about how soon you have to bury the person after death. In South America it's within 24/48 hrs (I have to admit I'm a little hazy here as to which it is) > > 4. Other answers brought out the way of the Indians who built pyres and > burned their ancestors. Some Indian Tribes put them on the platform in the > air and left them. When an Eskimo outlived their usefulness to the > community, they just went into the wilderness to die. Don't confuse the people from India with the N & S American Indians. The Indians from India.... cremation depends on your religion. I believe you'll find it's the Hindus that use it. There is one religious sect that exposes the dead bodies on elevated towers for the vultures to pick clean. There are a wide variety of burial practices among the natives of North and South America. > > Czechoslovakia was about the same except that I found so many tombstones that > had pictures of the deceased on them. I have also seen this at the Czech > cemeteries in this country. I find this really great. A lot of the > cemeteries in Czechoslovakia had a big stone and were usually covered totally > with a large granite slab. Then there were sitting on the slab several small > urn types for those who were cremated - again with pictures. I did a study some years ago about tombs and funeral decorations. You'll find that the styles change from decade to decade. One reason for the large slabs covering the tombs is to try and avoid vandals. > Paris- When Napoleon rebuilt the city he had to dig up many many cemeteries. > He left a beautiful city. At least he didn't build over them. All the bones > from each cemetery was kept together and put in the Catacombs under the city > and each labeled as to what cemetery they came from and years of use and > anything else they might know. > > The Catacombs in Paris were created on purpose. A gentleman that had visited the Catacombs in Rome thought Paris should such a thing too. An old salt mine was used. As the city expanded and cemeteries were dug up, the bones were piled in these abandoned salt tunnels. > > > One more part of the world and I will quit. As you know the Orient has a bad > population problem and woman are not allowed to choose how many children they > can have in many of the countries. I'd have to check, but I believe China is the only one that enforces the amount of children allowed. Usually just one child per couple.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2E3A7BAD2677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: Was sent this from another list and thought I'd forward it on to you! Enjoy! Donna Heller Zinn of Cumberland Co., PA.. --------------2E3A7BAD2677 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-From_: PAWESTMO-L-request@rootsweb.com Sat Sep 25 14:04:03 1999 >From bin Sat Sep 25 14:04:03 1999 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by emh1.pa.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10621 for <djzinn@pa.net>; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:04:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01889; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990925180231.16225.rocketmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:02:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Ballas <genesearcher1@yahoo.com> Old-To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <6rmA9B.A.Od.y5Q73@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Unidentified subject! X-Mailing-List: <PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/8272 X-Loop: PAWESTMO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PAWESTMO-L-request@rootsweb.com Since we have been talking about obits so much, thought we might as well add this one to our list. Enjoy, Ellen (ETHS) Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:46 AM > > Doughboy Dead at 71... > > Veteran Pillsbury spokesman Pop N. Fresh, died > yesterday of a severe yeast infection. He was 71. > Fresh was buried in one of the largest funeral > ceremonies in recent years. > Dozens of celebrities turned out including: > Mrs.Butterworth, the California Raisins, Hungry Jack, > Betty Crocker and the Hostess Twinkies. > The gravesite was piled high with flours and > longtime friend, Aunt Jemima, delivered the eulogy, > describing Fresh as a man who "never knew how > much he was kneaded." > Fresh rose quickly in show business, but his > later life was filled with many turnovers. He was not > considered a very smart cookie, squandering much of > his dough on half-baked schemes. > Still, even as a crusty old man, he was a roll model > for millions. Fresh is survived by his second wife. > They have two children and one in the oven. > The funeral was held at 3:50 for about 20 minutes. > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ==== PAWESTMO Mailing List ==== Great map site: <http://mapping.usgs.gov/> Surname searcher: <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html> Genealogical resourses on the net: <http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html> "Life is not a dress rehearsal"......... --------------2E3A7BAD2677--