Is there anyone out there who would be willing to help with a census lookup? Being blind I am not able to use the traditional ways. Seeking info on: Gable, Michael State : PA County : Juniata Co. Location : Fayette Twp Year : 1860 Page # : 553 Thank you---Tom

Hello Fellow Listers: The below mentioned tip was forwarded to me by a relative/friend from Colorado. She said it was sent to her through her Genealogical Tip List. Hope this may help someone... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ----------------------------------------- > > CEMETERY PLOTS AS LAND RECORDS > > > > Cemetery plots, especially in public cemeteries, are also considered > > land records. You can find indexes to plot deeds in the County > > Recorder's Office of the appropriate county. These deeds are often > > invaluable because the owner of the plot may be a distant relative you > > didn't know about. Be certain to check out who bought the plot.

WANTED TO BUY: Copy of the following book: Volume 1, Numnber 2, July 1996- The Tuscarora Path. Written and printed by the East Waterford Bicentennial Committee. If anyone has a copy they would like to sell, or knows where I can get one, please let me know. Dottie McClurg-Fox DFox1943@aol.com

Hello Fellow Listers: I recently lost all of my Bookmarks and can't remember the address for the LDS Social Security Death Index. Can someone supply me with that address?? Would be grateful! Thanks in advance... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Can someone advise me of the next roll call. Thanks Elaine Michigan

Mary Criscione wrote: > > Nelson, > > I noticed you are researching the HERTZLER from Juniata Co. Do you have > a Barbara Hertzler b. around 1759 in Berks Co. PA? She married Jacob > Rickenbach and they had 14 children. She was the daughter of John > Hertzler and Veronica Yoder. > > I would appreciate any information you might have on her. > > Sally ///////////////////////////////////////////// Sally, You are working on the Hertzler name about two generations earlier than I am. So far I have very little information the family. I am interested because there was a Hertzler who married a Sulouff in Juniata Co. about 1850. I have not yet been able to examine the 1850 census to see if they are named in it. Here is what I have: Doctor Hertzler (first name unknown) married Mary Catherine Sulouff b. 1830 in Turbett Twp., Juniata Co. I have a lot of information on the Sulouff family, but have not yet had time to research the good Doctor's family. Here are the comments about Dr. Hertzler on p. 352 of the book SULOUFF AND SULOFF FAMILY HISTORY (6th printing January 2000): "It is thought probable that Dr. Hertzler was related to the Honorable William Hertzler: PA Assembly 1889-1890; PA Senate 1897-1901; Deputy Secretary of Commonwealth 1911-1915; and U.S. Custodian Of Record Files, House Of Representatives, 1919-1933. William Hertzler died 6/16/1940 and is buried in Westminster Cem., Mifflintown. It is also probable that Mary Catharine's brother, Noah Hertzler Sulouff, received his middle name after this Hertzler family." I also know of a Noah Hertzler who was a prominent businessman in Juniata Co. in the mid-1800s. Here is what is written about him on p. 349 of above-mentioned history: "Noah Hertzler Sulouff was named for Mr. Noah Hertzler of Perrysville (now Port Royal). The booklet "HISTORY OF PORT ROYAL AND VICINITY," published in 1962 for the sesqui-centennial celebration of Port Royal, provides information on Mr. Hertzler: in 1839, he built a large wollen factory 30 feet by 50 feet and three stories high; in 1842, he built a store and warehouse and also a very respectable two-story residence (picture in the booklet, p. 12). In 1859, Mr. Hertzler was Secretary of the Agricultural Society and a bank director. He owned considerable property both in the town of Perrysville [renamed Port Royal] and in Turbett Twp. He was one of the outstanding citizens of his time in the area." I would imagine that these notable men would have had biographical information published and available in local libraries such as those in Harrisburg and Mifflintown. In such case, you should be able to find ancestral information in such publications. Surely there would be obituaries for these men in the Harrisburg and Port Royal newspapers, respectively. It could very well be that your Hertzler will prove to be connected somehow to the ancestors of these notable Hertzler men. I regret I am unable to offer you more assistance than this meager bit. I hope I am pointing you in a helpful direction. Nelson R. Sulouff

Marilyn wrote: > > Nelson, > I have been looking for my Thomas family in Mifflin > Co. for 6 years. I spent an afternoon at the Mifflin Co. > Historical Society in Lewistown last October and couldn't > find them. Our Thomas Family Bible says: > > James Calvin Thomas-March 2,1850 in McAlevy's Fort > but his death certificate says he was born in McVeytown > Mifflin Co. to James and Mary Hancock Thomas. > His Obit. says he had a sister Dolly and two half > brothers, Harry and George. > I can't find them in the census. Does any of this link to > your Thomas surname? > > Thank you, Marilyn Thomas Carroll Manassas,VA. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////// > Marilyn, I regret I have had equal difficulty finding THOMAS information in Mifflin/Juniata Counties. I have no parents, siblings or place of birth for Eve Thomas b. 5/28/1794, m. Jacob SULOUFF>SULOFF abt 1816, d. 3/28/1868 & bu. Port Royal: Old Hill Cemetery (Rice Section), Juniata Co. It would appear that my Eve THOMAS is one or two generations ahead of your James Calvin THOMAS, so I am sure I cannot help you with information. Nelson

Hi Fellow Listers: Barb seen my posting and told me that I was in error of Sarah's second husband's name - should be Henry G. SOWERS. Sorry!!! I always do that! > > We are looking for my friend, Barb RHINE SHARAR's great-grandmother, > > Sarah CHRIST RHINE SOWERS who presumably is buried in one of the > > cemeteries in Chambersburg. This is the only cemetery that we have not > > found records on yet - and so presume that she and her second husband, > > Charles SOWERS of Adams Co., PA. may be buried there [Lincoln > > Cemetery]. Her first husband was Robert RHINE and he is buried in the > > Lower Tuscarora Cemetery, Waterloo, Lack Twp., Juniata Co., PA.. > > > > The only thing that my friend is sure of is that Sarah died after the > > 1936 Tax List was taken when she and Charles were found residing in > > Chambersburg.

Hello Fellow Listers: I have been trying to get the name and phone number of the caretaker of the Lincoln Cemetery just on the southern edge of Chambersburg along Rt.30. When a friend and I visited that cemetery last year, we found an old peice of paper which looked like it may have listed the caretaker but it was in bad shape [weather-worn] and we could not see everthing that was on it. We, just a few months ago, visited some of the other cemeteries and caretakers [of the cemetery and the records] and non have been able to provide us with a name or a contact person. I do not have a Franklin Co. phone book - Is the number in there??? We are looking for my friend, Barb RHINE SHARAR's great-grandmother, Sarah CHRIST RHINE SOWERS who presumably is buried in one of the cemeteries in Chambersburg. This is the only cemetery that we have not found records on yet - and so presume that she and her second husband, Charles SOWERS of Adams Co., PA. may be buried there. Her first husband was Robert RHINE and he is buried in the Lower Tuscarora Cemetery, Waterloo, Lack Twp., Juniata Co., PA.. The only thing that my friend is sure of is that Sarah died after the 1936 Tax List was taken when she and Charles were found residing in Chambersburg. Any help or hints appreciated.. Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA.

Don, I have some information on a SPIGELMYER line in Mifflin and Juniata Counties between 1798 and 1894. Can you tell me any more about dates and locations for Genevieve Spigelmyer's family and ancestors? I will try to see if I can find a connection for you. I also know of SPIGELMYER researchers who very graciously have given me material on the family via E-mail, and I would like to have a clearer picture of your SPIGELMYER interests before contacting them. Regards, Nelson R. Sulouff Researching 18th-19th-Century families in Juniata Co: ANDERSON, ARNOLD, BAY, BENDER, BRANDT, BURNS, CLINGER, CLIPPINGER, CODER, CRAWFORD, DUNN, ELDER, FRONTZ, GEISELMAN, GRAPES, HARDY, HENDERSON, HERTZLER, JONES, KAUFFMAN, KEPNER, KUNKEL, MEHAFFEY, NOETLING, PARTNER, ROWE, SHULTZ, SHUMAN, SPEDDY, SPIGELMYER, STRASSBERGER, SULOUFF, SULOFF, SWINEFORD, THOMAS, WISE, ZEIDERS, ZELLERS, etc. /////////////////////////////////////// Don Ertley wrote: > > My husband's grandparents Walter P. Ertley (1900-1994) married to Genevieve > Spigelmyer (1903-1994) came from Burnham, Mifflin County, PA and I am > looking for information about their ancestors. (Snip)

Hello Listers: My apologies for sending this through the entire list. I have been attempting to send an e-mail to Vi LIMRIC, the list manager and have been having my e-mails returned. Vi if you read this... please send me your current e-mail address!! Thanks... Donna HELLER ZINN

Hi all. We are looking for information on 1750-1790 PRIORs. They lived near what is now Mifflintown during the Rev War. Nathan was released from service to go home and take care of his mother. I presume she was ill. If so, his father, Isaac (?) was probably already dead and would be buried in this area. In the 1790 census the family was found in Washington Co, which later became Greene County. Isaac Sr, was not in the census, anywhere in PA. We-the various Prior/Pryors- are trying to prove the parents of John, Isaac, Nathan and Timothy (and probably about half a dozen others) No one lives in that area and I don't know which county to start in. Nathan died in 1792 at the age of 31. His wife was Abigail Rose and they had five children by that time. She later married Jacob Eckelberry and they moved to Ohio with the rest of this branch, living in Hopewell Twp, Muskingum Co, Ohio. Sometime earlier there was a Rose-Prior marriage but we can't figure out who she married. She was Rachel Rose and she was born about 1794 so she might have married around 1810-1825. Thanks. Barbara Prior Jameson List manager: PRYOR, JAMESON & MOLSBERRY

Hello Fellow Listers: This was sent to me by a friend in Colorado. She stated that she received it via a Genealogical Helpful Hint List. This may help to explain some possible questions you may have had on why your ancestor was buried beside a non-relative, etc.... Best Wishes... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ****************************************** > SOME CEMETERIES BURY IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER > > When searching cemeteries, you should be aware that religion sometimes > had a lot to do with the way people were buried. Here's a good > example: In the old country, Lutherans were buried "in order" of > death. There was a row for children (with small stones), and one for > adults. When winter came, the church would dig six or seven graves and > cover them with straw in anticipation of coming deaths that winter. > That way, the church members didn't have to dig through frozen ground > or go to several different spots in a cemetery. When people died, they > were buried in chronological order. So, if you're visiting one of > these cemeteries and you can't read a stone that sits between two > others that are legible, at least you'll know the person's approximate > date of death. >

The Juniata Co. H.S. is also available for questions about Twp.s and cemeteries. They are at : juncohistsoc@jc-net.com They have a cemetery listing for all persons who have a headstone. They have some early undertaker records for the Western end of the county (Brown) and obit-family files on hundreds of surnames found in the county. For $15.00 they will do a file search for you and provide you with information you may be looking for. Audrey

Hello Juniata Listers, My 2nd great grandparents, Jacob and Lydia (BURNS) SULOUFF, lived on 16 acres just east of Cocolamus, beginning about 1848. Lydia's parents and two brothers lived just south of Cocolamus. I have not yet been able to confirm their church affiliation. A relative reported to me that Lydia's death certificate shows she was buried in an unnamed East Salem cemetery, a few miles south of Cocolamus. My searches made in the Juniata Co. cemetery records known to me, and my searches in the cemeteries I have found in and near E. Salem, have failed to turn up gravesites for my second great grandparents. These are my only SULOUFF ancestors in America for whom I have not yet been able to locate gravesites, and I am in the seventh generation in America. Perhaps I have missed visiting the right cemetery. Would some Juniata subscriber tell me names and locations for cemeteries being used in and near E. Salem between 1885 and 1907. Better yet, if anyone with access to Juniata Co. burial or cemetery records can tell me in which cemetery Jacob and Lydia SULOUFF are buried, I will be extremely grateful! Nelson R. Sulouff Retired in Arizona

Using the GNIS locator at http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html I learned the GNIS cemetery record shows seven cemeteries in Mexico, viz., Adams, Bookwalter, Diven, Kilmer, Lantz, Locust Run, and Rothrock Cemeteries. Can any Juniata Co. researcher or historian tell me why Mexico was such a popular location for cemeteries? For those who want to copy and paste the site where this is detailed, use the following: http://mapping.usgs.gov:8888/gnis/owa/gnisprod?f_name=&variant=N&f_state=PA&f_cnty=Juniata&f_type=cemetery&pop1=&pop2=&elev1=&elev2=&cell=&tab=y Nelson R. Sulouff

Thanx to everyone for helping me with my East Waterford and surrounding townships question. Linda

This initially came through the Lower DelMarVa Roots list. I then received it via the PABLAIR-List. With all of the discussion going on about the 2000 Census I fealt it logical to pass this along. THANK YOU... Judy BANJA for passing it on.... Enjoy... Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. ********************************* FIRST CENSUS TAKERS HAD THEIR PROBLEMS (The article below first appeared in the "KENTUCKY FARMER" and was written by Nevyle Shackelford who is with the Department of Public Information, College of Agriculture, University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY.) Sir: I beg to report that I have been dogbit, goose-pecked, cowkicked, briar-scratched, shot at, and called every 'fowel' that can be tho't of. I have worked 12 days and made $2. I have had enough and I beg to resign my position as a census taker for Crittenden Township." So wrote Roger Waite to a marshal of census enumerators for the State of Vermont on August 24, I790 - the year of the first national census in the United States. Research does not reveal whether or not the disheartened and disgusted Waite's resignation was accepted or denied. What is revealed is that the pay for enumerators was very low, even for that day. Government records show that the highest rate paid under any conditions was $1.00 for the count of 50 persons and that was for enumerators in outlying districts where the inhabitants were "widely dispersed." In cities and towns the rate was $1.00 for every 300 persons counted. Out of these amounts, the census takers were obliged to furnish their own schedules "properly ruled" and to take care of any other expenses incurred. In some instances the cost of the schedules was more than the fees collected. Many had never been enumerated before and were naturally suspicious of strangers coming around asking questions. Others, remembering the Biblical reference to the head count for purposes of taxation at the time of the birth of Christ, often displayed a downright unfriendly attitude. Then still other citizens, recalling the plagues that befell the children of Israel following the enumeration made by King David, also refused to cooperate. So when the enumerators persisted with their questioning, they were often lucky to get by with just a dog bite. In a sparsely settled area in Pennsylvania, there is one instance of an enumerator being killed. There were various other reasons on the part of the population for the reluctance to answer questions, but in a 1909 publication issued by the U.S. Census Bureau, it is written that the most potent factor was the widespread belief that the census was connected with taxes. At the end of this first census in 1790, the total population count was a fraction under 4 million. Some authorities of that time, however, were a bit dubious of that figure. Because of the low pay they believed that to make ends meet, some of the enumerators in the "more remote and sparsely settled sections" of the country may have included "some persons not in existence." One reasonable ground for such suspicion stemmed from what was described as the "absurd and ludicrous combinations of names and surnames" listed on the census taker schedules and turned in to the marshals. Officers of the Bureau of Census believed that such names as "Joseph Came, Peter Went, John Sat, Joseph Grackbone, Ruth Shaves, Web Ashbean, Comfort Clock, Sarah Goosehorn, Moses Rainwater, Mercy Cheese, Unity Tallowback, Lookinbill Barnthistle, Sussannsh Beersticker, Constance Cathole," and hundreds of other equally absurd, were spurious and not the names of real citizens. The old Bureau of Census publications goes on to say that in 1790, there were 27,337 surnames in the United States with English and Scotch names, or derivations of these names, being preponderant. This year, two centuries later, the cost of counting the heads of some 222 million citizens will be much more. And as in the days of old, some members of the population may resent what they may consider an invasion of privacy and set their dogs on the enumerator. But as sociologists in the University of Kentucky College of Agriculture point out, taking the census is necessary for the continued good welfare of the nation.

1877 Atlas was reprinted 19 1990 under sponsorship of The Perry Historians in 2 volumes, one being an index. The historians can be contacted at P.O. Box 73; Newport PA, 17074, Jean M Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: <PAJUNIAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Re: East Waterford > HodyMae@aol.com wrote: > > > > Is East Waterford in Lack Township? > > Today it is in Tuscarora Twp. which was taken from Lack Twp. in 1825. It > lies on Route 75, very close to the dividing line between the two > townships. > > > Does anyone know where I can get a map with the townships outlined? > > Ten years ago a prominent resident of Juniata Co. obtained a county map > for me which shows townships. It is my understanding he got it from the > County Engineer's office in the courthouse and paid a pretty hefty price > for it. He was able to get it because his business took him to all > corners of the county, and he gave it to me because I was doing > genealogical research on his family in the county. I do not know if > these maps are generally available to the public or not, but it would do > no harm to ask. Its scale is about 1:25,000, and it is terrific for > details. > > Another source showing townships is the ATLAS OF PERRY, JUNIATA AND > MIFFLIN COUNTIES, PENNSYLVANIA, published in 1877 by Pomeroy, Whitman & > Co. It has very large scale maps showing one township per page, and it > pinpoints the property owners in each township at that date. It has even > larger-scale town maps showing property owners at that date. This volume > is long out of print and hard to find, but you could advertise for it on > line and perhaps find it. If viewing a library copy would help you and > if you are near Juniata Co., the Juniata Co. Historical Society has a > copy of the 1877 Atlas in their Archives in the basement of the Public > Library in Mifflintown. They also have a copy of a similar county atlas > published in 1863. This atlas is even more difficult to find for > purchase, but well worth trying to get. > > Nelson >

HodyMae@aol.com wrote: > > Is East Waterford in Lack Township? Today it is in Tuscarora Twp. which was taken from Lack Twp. in 1825. It lies on Route 75, very close to the dividing line between the two townships. > Does anyone know where I can get a map with the townships outlined? Ten years ago a prominent resident of Juniata Co. obtained a county map for me which shows townships. It is my understanding he got it from the County Engineer's office in the courthouse and paid a pretty hefty price for it. He was able to get it because his business took him to all corners of the county, and he gave it to me because I was doing genealogical research on his family in the county. I do not know if these maps are generally available to the public or not, but it would do no harm to ask. Its scale is about 1:25,000, and it is terrific for details. Another source showing townships is the ATLAS OF PERRY, JUNIATA AND MIFFLIN COUNTIES, PENNSYLVANIA, published in 1877 by Pomeroy, Whitman & Co. It has very large scale maps showing one township per page, and it pinpoints the property owners in each township at that date. It has even larger-scale town maps showing property owners at that date. This volume is long out of print and hard to find, but you could advertise for it on line and perhaps find it. If viewing a library copy would help you and if you are near Juniata Co., the Juniata Co. Historical Society has a copy of the 1877 Atlas in their Archives in the basement of the Public Library in Mifflintown. They also have a copy of a similar county atlas published in 1863. This atlas is even more difficult to find for purchase, but well worth trying to get. Nelson