Weeeell, I'm going to go out on a limb and comment. The List Administrator is responsible for keeping good order on the lists, and if we get too much off topic, I'm sure that he/she (Nate?) will let us know. I am a list admin myself, and I don't mind a bit of off-topic banter once in awhile, but I won't tolerate flaming, something that is blatantly off-topic (such as job hunting in the area), or joke/virus forwards. However, each list admin is different, and the bigger the lists are, the more important it is to stick to the topic of genealogy or it doesn't take long for a list to descend into utter chaos. You are right- We can't know why folks moved around the way they did, but in the middle 1850's, many people moved to this area to pursue logging. John DuBois and Hiram Woodward were the lumbering kings of the area, and quickly got rich off of cutting the virgin timber that blanketed Clearfield, Jefferson, and Elk Counties, and everyone wanted in on the profit. I guess you could say that it was the eastern version of the California Gold Rush. With any booming industry come the sideshoot industries-- blacksmith, wagon maker, grocery store owner, taylor, cooper, brewers, etc etc. And yes, Bawdy House madams. Which accounts for a further influx of people from all over PA hoping to make it big. If your ancestors weren't here logging, the chances are very good that they were involved in coal mining. And still later they may have come to this area from afar to work in the powder metal and graphite industries of the area. OR they may have been running from the law, a broken marriage, debts etc etc. Who knows, but with enough diligent digging, you may be able to find out what brought them to this area. I think your story about the Widow Thompson illustrates that it really is quite true-- the more things change, the more they stay the same. We tend to think of folks from 100 years ago as somehow more moral than we are, and the time that they lived in as the "good old days." And in truth, they were really no different than we are now. They had unwed teenage mothers, adultery, perverts, alcoholics, thieves, etc, the same as we do today. In fact, I will share a family giggle with you that is still causing arguments in my family. My great grandfather, Ed Bish, was the first postman in Horton Twp., Elk Co., PA. The only problem was that he was delivering more than the mail. When his wife found out that he was spending a little more time with her cousin than he should have been on top of Boone Mountain while "delivering the mail", she took a .22 and shot him. Then she dragged him in the house and nursed him back to health. They told the authorities that he had been so remorseful over the tryst, that he tried to commit suicide.Today, some family members choose to believe the attempted suicide story out of a sense of propriety I guess, but there were witnesses to the whole sordid affair who tell a much different tale. By all accounts, my great grandmother was a bruiser. :-) I dunno about anyone else, but I kind of like to hear stories about the human side of our ancestors. It makes them seem like more than just a name and a date on a stone, don't you think? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Chatting > I'm new and maybe somebody could explain something. Last week Deb asked why > people moved to Jefferson County, but this week she doesn't want somebody > else to talk about the subject of documenting. Maybe I don't understand what > is okay to talk about and what isn't and who gets to decide. We had a roll > call and lots of folks wrote in but one or two didn't like it. Deb asked who > was with her and only one person went along with her. I guess that means she > was voted down. I met a lady once who was doing her genealogy and found out > somebody in her family had been thrown out of her church for running a bawdy > house. Now she thought this was funny and so did I. Is this kind of story > allowed on this list? Somebody else told me his daddy was a horse thief and > escaped to America after getting caught. He said his daddy was a poor man > who didn't have a lot of job choices and wasn't ashamed a bit. Is this kind > of story allowed? My mama used to say it's a lesson in everything you do if > you just have eyes to see it. > >

Here is another obit. Word for word. Deb DuBois Morning Courier 11/21/1938 Mrs. PATRICIA TASKOSKI Mrs. PATRICIA TASKOSKI, who lived more than fifty of her ninety years in DuBois, died on Saturday morning at the home of her daughter, Mrs. WILLIAM MASONIS, on Maloney Road. Death was due to senility and came after an illness of two weeks, previous to which the aged lady had enjoyed good health for one so old. She was a native of Lithuania, born on January 5, 1849, and was within seven weeks of making her ninetieth birthday. She came to the DuBois section in the 80's and through her activities as a member of St. Joseph's Church and kindly neighborliness, she had acquired many friends who held her in esteem. Her husband died nine years ago, and one daughter, Mrs. DOBER, died twenty years ago. She is survived by three daughters and one son, as follows: Mrs. SIMON KASKILLE, Mrs. FRANK KILMAS, Mrs. WILLIAM MASONIS and JOSEPH TASKOSKI. She also is survived by twenty-one grandchildren, two of whom are nuns, viz: SISTER M. CAROLINE (nee MRY MASONIS); of St. Joseph's Covenant, Cleveland, and SISTER M. DAMIAN (nee JULIA DOBER), of St. Francis covenant, Pittsburgh. Fourteen great-grandchildren also mourn her loss. Burial services will be held on Tuesday morning at 8 o'clock in St. Joseph's Church, Rev. Father M.J. USBONAS officiating, and burial will be made in the St. Catherine's cemetery.

Christa, What is the name of your Broadhead? Alice

STAHLMAN

I'm new and maybe somebody could explain something. Last week Deb asked why people moved to Jefferson County, but this week she doesn't want somebody else to talk about the subject of documenting. Maybe I don't understand what is okay to talk about and what isn't and who gets to decide. We had a roll call and lots of folks wrote in but one or two didn't like it. Deb asked who was with her and only one person went along with her. I guess that means she was voted down. I met a lady once who was doing her genealogy and found out somebody in her family had been thrown out of her church for running a bawdy house. Now she thought this was funny and so did I. Is this kind of story allowed on this list? Somebody else told me his daddy was a horse thief and escaped to America after getting caught. He said his daddy was a poor man who didn't have a lot of job choices and wasn't ashamed a bit. Is this kind of story allowed? My mama used to say it's a lesson in everything you do if you just have eyes to see it. My wife is the genealogy one here, but she doesn't like the computer much. I like to putter around on it and I signed up to see if I could find anything to add to what she's got. Looks like I can answer a question. Deb asked why people moved to Jefferson County. People move for so many reasons. No way you can answer why somebody moved unless you know them or somebody else who knew them, or if you can find a diary somewhere. Maybe they're retired and want a change of scenery or young and got a better job somewhere. Maybe the neighborhood went bad. Maybe the kids moved away and they want to live near the kids. Maybe they got left a piece of land somewhere and moved over there. Turns out last year I went to a yard sale and found a diary for somebody in my wife's family, Ann Jane Thompson, and I think this diary can answer Deb's question. Now am I allowed to answer? My wife's off visiting and I don't know where that diary is right now, but anyway as best I can remember, here's what it said. Seems there was a widow Thompson with a pack of kids but no job so she took to entertaining young men. Turns out she liked the work and got herself a reputation that brought her plenty customers from all over. Now it must have been pretty hard to keep this from the kids and before long her young daughter Ann Jane started paying attention to what Mama was doing and how she was enjoying herself. One of widow Thompson's callers was a handsome young man name Philip Tapper. According to Ann Jane even though her Mama and Phil were hitting it off she took it in her head to have Phil for herself and he wasn't even her first. Seems Mama just turned her head from it all because she liked the money Ann Jane brought in. Anyway, before long Ann Jane and Phil were busy as beavers and she found herself in the family way. She was only about 14. Didn't take long before she was showing and Mama Thompson had a fit. Her daughter was in the family way and with Mama'a beau (customer) no less. Mama threatened to kill Phil and all. Now on farms it was the way to have a lot of kids and to start young so that you'd have help on the farm but this wasn't the city way. City folks weren't having babies at 14. Phil's family wouldn't take Ann Jane in because they thought she was too low for them and Mama Thompson sure wasn't having any parts of them. So Phil and Ann Jane took off for parts unknown (Jefferson County) where Phil knew somebody. Simple as that-run out of town just like the woman thrown out of her church. In case you're interested Phil and Ann Jane went on to have lots more kids and the only proof they ever married is an affadavit from somebody in Phil's family so Ann Jane could get Phil's pension. After she had about 2 kids, he left her and went back to his family. She went back to her Mama who put her right out. Looks like Ann Jane took after Mama Thompson and had another baby years after Phil died. Unfortunately she didn't write in the diary much what with all those kids to care for and it's not plain how she earned a living but she never mentioned a job. My wife says be careful what you wish for cause you might get it. She means she wanted to know about Ann Jane but wasn't so glad to learn about her after she read that diary. Now I guess the question is whether this kind of "chatting" is allowed. Well I think it helps to know as much as we can about our ancestors and that maybe we shouldn't be judging them since we didn't walk in their shoes. Maybe Mama Thompson did the best she could and Ann Jane did too. If anybody out there doesn't like this kind of chatting, well you've got delete buttons folks. Mac

Here is a helpful tool I use to figure out dates in the past and in the future. Hope it will help you too. Deb <A HREF="http://www.calendarhome.com/tyc/">10,000-Year Calendar!</A> http://www.calendarhome.com/tyc/

I know here I am again with another one! Hope it will help someone. Word for word. Deb DuBois Morning Courier 11/21/1938 Mrs. SARAH ELLEN SHAW Injuries received in a fall she sustained here five weeks ago resulted fatally on Saturday morning at 11:20 o'clock for Mrs. SARAH ELLEN SHAW, 83-year-old resident of Nanty-Glo. Her death occurred at the home of her niece, Mrs. ABEL JENNY, where she had come for a visit early last month. Shortly after her arrival she had the misfortune to fall down a stairway and received a fractured hip and other injuries that proved to be too severe for her constitution and resulted in death at the time stated. She was born in England, on October 2, 1856, but had lived in America many years, being located at Pittsburgh and Nanty-Glo where she was active in Methodist Church circles. Her husband, WILLIAM SHAW, and one son, HUTCHISON SHAW, preceded her. She is survived by two sons, JOHN and WILLIAM SHAW, of Pittsburgh; one daughter, Mrs. MARGARET HENSHAW, of Nanty-Glo. The body was prepared for burial at the Paul Short funeral parlors and taken to the JENNY home, at 207 Forest Avenue, where friends may call, and where funeral services will be held on Tuesday afternoon at 2:30 o'clock. Rev. Mr. KEYS, pastor of the Nanty-Glo Methodist Church, officiating, and burial will be made in Rumberger Cemetery.

I'm researching ANDERSON, BROWN, BROADHEAD, and SMITH. Also interested in finding out anything about Pansy Coal Co. in Valier. Christa

I am researching the names, GRICKS, DETER, BECK, RUDOLPH

Actually, Sykesville, while being within the borders of Winslow Twp, has it's own little place on the Jefferson County census where it is refered to as "Sykesville Boro." Virtually all of the little towns/cities/burgs do. However, don't neglect to check the rest of Winslow Twp for your surnames as well. From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Sykesville Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:04:31 EDT Sykesville is in Winslow township I believe. Deb

BRAVO DEB !! My thoughts exactly. Regards John Casey [email protected] wrote: > Nobody upset me. It takes more than that. > Now lets get to the real business of genealogy instead of clogging up the > list with this mundane and useless chatter! > Deb > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > To contact Nate Zipfel, Listmister, click below: > mailto:[email protected] > remember, Please share Genealogy with future generations....

Here is one from the DuBois paper dated Saturday, May 13, 1978. It's word for word. Mrs. MARY MANCO REYNOLDSVILLE -- Mrs. MARY MANCO, of Reynoldsville, RD 3 (Wishaw), 83, died Friday in the DuBois Hospital. Friends will be received at the Bernard P. Snyder Funeral Home in Reynoldsville from 7-9 p.m. Tonight, 2-4 and 7-9 p.m. Sunday. The Rosary will be recited at 8:30 p.m. Sunday. Rev JOHN W. MIGNOT will celebrate funeral mass at St. Mary Church Monday at 10:00 a.m. and interment will follow in St. Mary Cemetery. Mrs. MANCO was born in Cosenza, Italy, the daughter of THOMAS and ROSA (BRUNCO) GAROFALO. She was married to PASQUALE (PATSY) MANCO. She was a member of St. Mary Church and a lifelong resident of the area. Survivors are three daughters, Mrs. OLIVER (JOSEPHINE) MEME, Mrs. JOSEPH (ROSE) FORADORT and Mrs. ANTHONY (ANGELINE) CANTON all of Reynoldsville, RD 3; four sons, SANTO of Punxsutawney, GEORGE and PETER of Reynoldsville, RD 3 and Major EDWARD (the rest was cut off the page sorry)

Here is another one. (It has the initials of R.J. is that the Reynoldsville Journal?) It's word for word. Hope it will help someone. Deb R.J. 9/30/1903 JOSEPH R. ARNOLD died at Cripple Creek Col., on Monday, September 21st. For many years he lived at Rockton and operated the old Syler mill on Anderson Creek. He went west probably 30 years ago. He was a brother of the late SAMUEL ARNOLD and the last survivor of a distinguished family, all of whom were prominent in business affairs.

Nobody upset me. It takes more than that. Now lets get to the real business of genealogy instead of clogging up the list with this mundane and useless chatter! Deb

Sorry I upset you so, Deb. I know you're new on the list, but it's usually very quiet. I was hoping to stimulate conversation. Maybe you'd like to suggest some other topics for discussion. Merle

Here are more obits for you. Deb THYNE, JOHN, 22y, born in Clemont PA., a miner died on December 9, 1902 in Snyder Township he was killed by the R.R. track. He will be buried in C. Cemetery DuBois on December 11, 1902. TOMLIN, NELLIE, 1m, 5d, born in Prescottville, died on September 27, 1904 of diarrhea. She will be buried in the Reynoldsville cemetery on December 22, 1904. TRUNE, JOSEPH, 23y, 11m, born in Hungaria, a miner, died April 18, 1903 in Brockwayville of pneumonia. He will be buried in the Catholic cemetery on April 20, 1903.

Here are some more. Deb THOMAS, BABY, 1 day, born near Ohl died on March 19, 1903 will be buried in the Berkhouse Cemetery on March 20, 1903, parents are THOMAS E. and EMMA THOMAS. TRONZO, MICKE, 23y born in Italy, a store keeper died on July 16, 1903 in Florence of consumption. He will be buried in Anita on July 16, 1903. TREXLER, GODFREY, 83y, 5m, 11d, born in Germany, a farmer from Henderson Township died on July 15, 1904 of Old age. He will be buried in Paradise Cemetery on July 17, 1904.

My direct lines are HAUGH, RETZER, and WILVER. Indirects are BROCIOUS and SHICK. I'm just getting started, so I'll no doubt be adding to the list. I believe that my HAUGHs moved into the Brookville, Rose Twp area between 1850-1860... possibly from McKean Co, PA. My RETZER ancestor was naturalized in adjacent Clearfield Co, but obviously spent some time in Jefferson Co (he met and married my 2nd g-gm there in 1869). Some of my HAUGHs married into the BROCIOUS and SHICK lines. Quite willing to share info... Mark Holt.

Mark, I don't know if this will help you or not. But I had this marriage announcement for SHICK. Deb JOHN MOTTERN, 35y born in Northumberland County a farmer in Worthville, son of JOHN and REBECCA MOTTERN married SARAH E. SHICK 19y spinster born in Ringgold, daughter of GOERGE and HANNAH SHICK by W. H. YODER Justice of the Piece on March 20, 1890.

Here are a few more obits. I don't know what paper they came from. Hope it will help someone out. Deb TOMAS, BABY, still born on August 15, 1901 in Eleanora, buried in Eleanora, parents are JOSEPH and MILLIE TOMAS. TAYLOR, DOROTHY ANETTA, 8m, 26d, born in Union township died on November 13, 1904 in Union township of lung fever. She will be buried on the Pine Grove cemetery on November 15, 1904 and is the daughter of G. H. TAYLOR. TRACY, MICHAEL J., born January 3, 1841 in Ireland. Worked for the railroad. Died on May 31, 1903 of pneumonia and will be buried in the Catholic Cemetery. Son of DANIEL and CATHARINE TRACY