Eileen, You go girl.... great response John Antes Battle Creek, Mich

I would like to go on record and say that I think it is extremely bad form to question the List Administrator's rules for the mailing lists ON the list. The List Admins have a hard enough job maintaining order without list subscribers trying to undermine their authority directly on the lists. Rules are set by List Admins for the good of ALL- not to benefit one person or group, and those rules must be obeyed by EVERYONE for the good of all. Alice deserves our support. Alice Gayley has always been a kind, considerate person as far as list admins go, and she should receive the same treatment from us.This list has always run as smooth as glass, and I have been on here for well over four years. There have been a few heated arguements, but I can't remember one single time where someone has had to step in and call a time-out. This speaks volumes about those who subscribed to this list in the past, and I for one would like to maintain the peaceful,helpful attitude that has been the hallmark of this list for so many years. However, I realize that problems do sometimes crop up.If you have a problem with something, or someone on the list, or the way Alice runs the list, it would be much more appropriate and considerate to contact her OFF the list. And of course, one always has the option of unsubscribing if one does not like the way things are being done, or one feels as though they simply cannot abide by the rules. It should also be pointed out that Alice has options available to her on her List Admin utilities page to deal with problem posters. People with an ax to grind CAN be kept off of the mailing lists if need be. If there is someone on the lists whose posts you wish not to read, you have the option of putting that person into your e-mail killfile. I have had to do this a few times in the past, and it works so that you never have to see an e-mail from that person again. I ONLY know how to do this for Outlook Express--if anyone wishes to use their killfile and needs help, please e-mail me directly. I do agree with the suggestion about putting several obituaries in an e-mail before posting it. I DON"T agree with the premise of introducing any old topic just for the sake of saying something and having traffic on the lists. Some lists are quieter than others. It is QUALITY, not quantity that counts on these mailing lists. If the Rootsweb mailing lists decayed into the genealogical version of a chat room, I sure wouldn't stay on any of them for very long. We're all adults here. I'm sure we can help Alice maintain a friendly atmosphere. :-)

I know I am late for the Rol Call but here it is: Researching WILSON, BLISS, GEARHART, HUGHES from Jefferson county PA Family Page at: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Theodore-H-Harms/GENE6-0001.html Thanks Ted Harms

Hi, I'm back from vacation. I wanted to see what I've missed so I looked in the Archives. I've missed a lot. First off I want to thank Deb for posting the obituaries and marriage announcements, I have found 3 that pertain to my family and it has helped. THANK YOU DEB. Second, to Mac. Use your delete key you don't like it. That's is from your own words. Why start trouble? Keep up the great work!

LOL (laughing out loud). You gotta love it. I do believe that I have seen it all. Since I am subscribed to several rootsweb mail lists, and receive AT LEAST 150 messages a day, some more than once as they are cross-posted to multiple lists, I am amazed by the number of people who subscribe to these lists and then complain that they are receiving too many messages and that their in-box is overflowing and therefore suggest that no one post any messages in which the complainer is not interested. On one surname list a person complained that he got 40 messages per day total including personal e-mail and he wanted the list split into North and South because "It drives me bug nuts reading all those e-mails from folks hunting for XXXXXXX ancestors who rolled off the boat in 1920 or so and landed somewhere in the Northeast. I have complained about this before, and the response has been that some of the XXXXXXXX saw the light and moved South. My answer is ok, then subscribe to both. My family landed in Virginia at some point in the 1600's and never went North. And, I think that covers most of the XXXXXXX Southern families. If I have to read one more time about Uncle Versie or some such XXXXXXXX who lived in Cleveland, Ohio in 1948, but they don't know where he came from, I will holler. I don't have too many problems with the North other than April, 1865." I deleted the surname from the complaint and inserted XXXXXXXX. Well, what about the people with that surname that are searching in Canada, or Europe, or Australia, etc. which list would they use? I have seen these types of complaints ruin the sharing of information on the lists. On another county list, a kind soul was copying and pasting daily obits from an online newspaper. This listing was generating 2 messages as the list would not accept the posting as 1 message. Because of the complaints of a few, the obits are not being posted anymore. The subject of these messages was clearly marked and anyone not interested could delete them easily. The irony is that the discussion of posting the obits generated more than 2 messages for a number of days. Another problem seems to arise from the recent changes in the Message Boards postings. These messages are being cross-posted to the mail lists. Used to be that those messages were clearly marked as such with instruction that replies be posted to the Message Board. That is not the case any more and unless you read all the garbage in the header (which I can turn off), there is NO indication that a message originated on the connected Message Board. On another county mail list, a member posts tons of old obits to a Message Board and these then show up on the mail list. Then, of course, every now and again, someone shows up and complains about the number of obit postings. Then there are those who ask for suggestions and when suggestions are made, get insulted because they have been doing genealogy for a number of years and KNOW how to do research. On a census look-up list, I have seen people request look-ups that would require hours of research because they don't have enough information and then complain, "Don't make us wait forever for the answer to our request." I've seen people request look-ups in death records (not SSDI) for a person who left his family in 1928 and was never seen or heard from since and don't know where they may have gone. The topic of genealogy is very wide, although there are definitely some subjects that are truly NOT genealogy and are better served in another forum or through another means, such as those posts asking for information about specific living individuals from whom they have been separated at some time in the past. It all gets rather stupid and silly after a while. Unlike ignorance, there is no cure for stupidity. You can educate ignorance, stupidity refuses to be educated. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97

Sorry, Alice, but you didn't ask me to identify the subject. What you said was this: <<Your story was amusing, Mac, and as Sherry points out, every family seems to have "a character" who stands out from the rest. We don't mind a funny story now and then, but, in the future, please identify it as such by putting "OFF TOPIC" or "FAMILY STORIES". By doing so, you give those that aren't interested the opportunity to use their Delete key. Now let's get back to genealogy.>> You allowed a question, allowed other answers, then told me that MY answer was "OFF TOPIC," and then went on to tell the following about your OWN family: <<At the age of about 18 my g-grandfather came to Jefferson County in 1850 with his Uncle to "seek his fortune" in lumbering. A year later his mother died in the Yellow Fever epidemic that was raging in Philadelphia, and his father (my g-g-grandfather) moved the rest of his family to Jefferson County to be near to his older son.>> Don't you see something wrong with this? And, I repeat, there are rarely any messages to this list and I think it was a good idea to stimulate some conversation. Don't you? OF COURSE obituaries are important! Offering the information in one is fine but 18 separate e-mails in one day from one person? Don't you see something wrong with that? Alice, take a minute and think this over. Mac

Mac, You have the same option the rest of us have. If you don't like the contents of a message, delete it. I asked you to use the Subject line to identify the content of your message because some people--particularly those who get volumes of email every day--scan the Subject lines to determine if they need/want to read that message or simply delete it. With regard to obituaries, they can contain key information about a person: Date of death, cause of death, names of children, parents, and siblings--all of which can be important to someone who is searching for the subject of the obit. An obituary may be meaningful to you or me, but it could just be the clue that someone on the list needs to break down their brick wall. Alice [email protected] wrote: > > Alice, I appreciate the work of people like you who donate time to make this > type of list available. I honestly don't understand how it was okay for a > question to be asked, other answers to be given, then for you to call my > response Off-Topic--after which you gave your own answer to the question. > I'm not a person who likes to argue, but it seems to me that stories that > bring folks to life, that make them real are a lot more about geneaology than > some other stuff I've read here. And there are usually no e-mails to this > list for days and days on end so introducing some topics wouldn't hurt you a > bit. One more thing. Yesterday Deb posted 18 messages, 16 were obits and the > like. Have you thought about suggesting to her to post once and list all the > names then anybody interested can write to her off the list? This is the way > it's done on other lists. Just a little food for thought. > > Anyway, I do thank you for your time and hard work. I watch to see what's > "geneology" and whst isn't. > Mac > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:[email protected] > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:[email protected] > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) -- Alice J. Gayley Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/armstrong Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/clearfield Jefferson County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

This is word for word from the: DuBois Express 6/23/1893 An Old Citizen Dies. Clearfield County lost one of her oldest residents Sunday morning in the death of Mr. JOHN HOOVER, whose serious condition was noted in Saturday's Express. The deceased was aged 81 years and was a resident of West Liberty. He was a sufferer from paralysis and has been helpless for the past three years. The following children survive him, Mrs. JOHN LYAS of Helvetin, Mrs. JOHN LYONS of sandy township, GEO. HOOVER of Iowa, JOHN HOOVER of West Liberty, MARTIN and DAVID HOOVER of DuBois, and W.H. HOOVER of Dobbins, W. Va. The funeral was held at Luthersburgh Monday afternoon, Rev. SEINER officiating.

Alice, I appreciate the work of people like you who donate time to make this type of list available. I honestly don't understand how it was okay for a question to be asked, other answers to be given, then for you to call my response Off-Topic--after which you gave your own answer to the question. I'm not a person who likes to argue, but it seems to me that stories that bring folks to life, that make them real are a lot more about geneaology than some other stuff I've read here. And there are usually no e-mails to this list for days and days on end so introducing some topics wouldn't hurt you a bit. One more thing. Yesterday Deb posted 18 messages, 16 were obits and the like. Have you thought about suggesting to her to post once and list all the names then anybody interested can write to her off the list? This is the way it's done on other lists. Just a little food for thought. Anyway, I do thank you for your time and hard work. I watch to see what's "geneology" and whst isn't. Mac

This is a better story than mine! My wife and your grandmother would've gotten along and if had ever "delivered more than the mail" I'd be in one of those cemeteries we're always searching through! You gave us a lot of good information about what this area was like in the 19th century. Thanks. Mac

Chuck, You want the Armstrong County page at: http://www.pa-roots.com/~armstrong/ Alice Charles Bollinger wrote: > > Someone posted a website with cemeteries the other day that allowed me to find some Cemeteries in Redbank Twp., in Armstrong County. I thought I had it bookmarked, but unfortunately was wrong. Would like the address again. Chuck Bollinger > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:[email protected] > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:[email protected] > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) -- Alice J. Gayley Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/armstrong Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/clearfield Jefferson County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

Someone posted a website with cemeteries the other day that allowed me to find some Cemeteries in Redbank Twp., in Armstrong County. I thought I had it bookmarked, but unfortunately was wrong. Would like the address again. Chuck Bollinger

Don't know if there is anyone interested in this obit in THE TRIBUNE CHRONICLE Friday, August 3.2001 Warren, Ohio or if I'm posting it to the right place If not I apologize in advance. RICHARD A.BLOSE Niles---Richard A. Blose, 77, 74 E. Margaret Ave., died 4:09 p.m. Wednesday, August 1.2001, at Forum Health Trumbull Memorial hospital. He was born May 4, 1924, in Reynoldsville,Pa., a son of Robert M. and Rosetta Mae Peterman Blose, and moved to the area 53 years ago. Mr. Blose retired in 1984 as a grinder from Van Huffel Tube, after working 34 years and served in the U.S. Army during World War II. He was a member and usher at Warren First Assembly of God Church, member and historian of the Society of the 795th Anti-Aircraft Battalion of World War II, life member of the VFW Post 1090 of Warren,DAV Chapter 11 and the Cortland Conservation League. Besides his wife, Minnie Cribbs Blose, whom he married July 24,1948, he leaves a son, Richard E., of warren; a daughter Christine Tyjeski of Mantua; two sisters, Shirley Horner of Cortland and Christine Hopkins of Tuscon Az.; three brothers Robert E. of Warren, Ivan D. of Howland and Norman D. of Las Vegas; five grandchildren; and eight great-grandchildren. A grandson; and two sisters Elizabeth Granville and Thelma Robinson, are deceased. the funeral service is 2:30 p.m. Saturday at Carl W. Hall Funeral Home, where friends may call one hour before the service and 6-8 p.m. today. Burial will be in Crown hill Burial Park in Vienna.

Oh, man! The skeletons are the fun part! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Westward HO! > My family came to Western, PA because of the Rail Road. Very plain and > simple. No skeletons in our closet as we can and will prove if need be. > Deb > > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > To contact Nate Zipfel, Listmister, click below: > mailto:[email protected] > remember, Please share Genealogy with future generations.... > >

My family came to Western, PA because of the Rail Road. Very plain and simple. No skeletons in our closet as we can and will prove if need be. Deb

Mac, In my earlier message I meant to say: Please put "OFF TOPIC" or "FAMILY STORIES" in the Subject Line so that those who aren't interested can use their Delete key. -- Alice J. Gayley Co-Coordinator Jefferson County Genealogy Project http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

Thanks for wading in, Sherry. Mac, You asked what is appropriate for discussion on this list. Quite simply, the rules are: 1. Please stay on topic. This list is for discussion of Jefferson County Genealogy. If your message is directed at a single individual, send a private e-mail message to that person. 2. Flaming will not be tolerated. Your story was amusing, Mac, and as Sherry points out, every family seems to have "a character" who stands out from the rest. We don't mind a funny story now and then, but, in the future, please identify it as such by putting "OFF TOPIC" or "FAMILY STORIES". By doing so, you give those that aren't interested the opportunity to use their Delete key. Now let's get back to genealogy. At the age of about 18 my g-grandfather came to Jefferson County in 1850 with his Uncle to "seek his fortune" in lumbering. A year later his mother died in the Yellow Fever epidemic that was raging in Philadelphia, and his father (my g-g-grandfather) moved the rest of his family to Jefferson County to be near to his older son. -- Alice J. Gayley Co-Coodinator, Jefferson County Genealogy Project http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

Another obit word for word. DuBois Express 5-29-1896. The friends of JAMES LYONS were shocked to hear of his sudden death. Mr. LYONS was highly esteemed by the people here and his death will be sincerely regretted.

This is a bit of a strange obit. It doesn't have a place of death, or burial, or anything. At least it has dates. I have the initials of the paper, but I don't know the name. So if you can figure it out please let me know. I'm going to go ahead and post it anyway because someone might recognize it. It's word for word. Deb H.C. 1/1/1903 PETER CROSOVOLT, age 16 years, died at his home in this place on Tuesday night, after an illness of two years with consumption.

Here is another one word for word. Deb "Courier - Express" 10/18/1982 ADAM KUZNIAR CURWENSVILLE -- ADAM J. KUZNIAR, 54, of 723 Monroe St., DuBois, died Sunday in the DuBois hospital. Friends will be received after 7 p.m. this evening at the Chester C. Chidboy Funeral Home, Inc., Curwensville, and until time of services Wed. Mass of Christian Burial will be held Wed. at 11 a.m. at St. Timothy's Catholic Chruch in Curwensville. Rev. WILLIAM RICE will officiate and interment will be in St. Timothy's plot in Crowncrest Memorial Park, Hyde. He was born in DuBois, July 26, 1928, a son of STANLEY and VICTORIA (BARTCIKOWSKI) KUZNIAR. He was married to the former KATHRYN RUMSKY. Mr. KUZNIAR was a member of St. Catherine's Catholic Church, DuBois. He was a wire chief of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Company, Punxsutawney office. He served in the 82nd Army Airborne during World War II and Korean Conflict. He attended the Waynesburg College and the DuBois Business College. Survivors are his wife; a son, MICHAEL T. of Alexandria, Va., two brothers, EDWIN of Chicago, Ill., STANLEY of Cocoa Beach, FL.: two sisters, Mrs. ELMER (WANDA) WECKBECKER of Buffalo, N.Y., and Mrs. GEORGE (IRENE EVAN) of New Kensington.