First things first: Deb, I wanted to thank you for all the documents that you mailed me, free of charge I might add. I wish you would let me pay your for postage and copies. I received them yesterday and they are GREAT! You have been such a great help. I'm glad you posted the obituaries and marriage records, because if you hadn't I would not have found my great great grandparents. It was a brick wall for me. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Second: Alice, you are wonderful! I love your list. Everyone is such a great help as are you. Keep up the good work. And NO your not a queen, your a GODDESS for putting up with the likes of Mam6896 and Organizr01. And last but not least: The HECK (I won't say what I really want to) with Merle and Mac. They both are the type of people who think they should be in control of everything even if it means making up lies and stirring up trouble! In my opinion, they both need to be unsubed. from the list and banned. We don't need flamers on this or any list! Merle, Mac get a LIFE and leave the nice people on this list along. Also thank you to everyone else who have helped me when I had a question.

Your welcome. I'm glad I could help. Deb

Looking for any info on mary Jane Lehr born 1829 and died 1910. Also looking for any info on her son Marvin Allen Lehr born 22 Nov 1855 in PA. Thanks, Sandy

NO! NO! NO!!!!!!!!! Keep posting them, Deb On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:52:29 EDT [email protected] writes: > Alice, I appreciate the work of people like you who donate time to > make this > type of list available. I honestly don't understand how it was okay > for a > question to be asked, other answers to be given, then for you to > call my > response Off-Topic--after which you gave your own answer to the > question. > I'm not a person who likes to argue, but it seems to me that stories > that > bring folks to life, that make them real are a lot more about > geneaology than > some other stuff I've read here. And there are usually no e-mails > to this > list for days and days on end so introducing some topics wouldn't > hurt you a > bit. One more thing. Yesterday Deb posted 18 messages, 16 were obits > and the > like. Have you thought about suggesting to her to post once and > list all the > names then anybody interested can write to her off the list? This > is the way > it's done on other lists. Just a little food for thought. > > Anyway, I do thank you for your time and hard work. I watch to see > what's > "geneology" and whst isn't. > Mac > > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:[email protected] > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:[email protected] > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > (Please turn OFF your signature file when sending the message) > >

Hello List: Does anyone have more info on James Lyons.??? My daughter in law is a Lyon and somee family members used Lyons. Her Grandfather is James Arthur Lyon and Her father is J.A. the second and her brother is JA the 3rd and his little son is JA the 4th.....I believe them originated from Lyon France and supposedly the name started out as Courier Lyon..... Thanks in advance for any help...Cassandra Grubb Wilt http://community.webtv.net/crwarw/InLovingMemoryof

I give up. Have at it. This the last you'll hear from me. I've got two other counties to take care of. Queen Alice [email protected] wrote: > > The question of reason for migration was the original issue. Both Eileen and > Mac have pointed out the uselessness of asking the list this question in > reference to a specific ancestor, though wanting to know why people in > general migrated to an area seems valid. > > Enter Mac and his anecdote re the issue. His point was valid, i.e. people > migrant for any one of a zillion reasons. The only public objection to his > story was from the list > administrator who said it was not geneological, then proceeded to tell her > own, albeit much shorter, story. Note that this objection was public. Mac > then objected publicly in response, which I'm afraid seems only right. If > the administrator wants to correct privately then the response should be > private, but one cannot expect a public rebuke to be acceptable then deny the > rebuked one the right to respond publicly. > > People, people, people!!!! This list hasn't averaged 2 e-mails a day for the > last year and a half!!! To be honest, my Jefferson County line is virtually > done, but I subscribed to this list to learn something about Jefferson County > and maybe pick up a few odds and ends. Do you know what I've gotten in all > this time? A referral to Pat Steele (and G-d bless her!!), which I could > have gotten from my local library. If I had had to bet, I would have guessed > that there were no more than a few subscribers and was surprised from the > roll call to learn how many people are on this list. So, folks, we've got > what? 50? 100? people subscribed and we can go weeks without a single > message. I'm on a bunch of lists and nothing compares to this lack of > involvement. Then someone tries to perk things up and we're going to start > quibbling over what is geneology? Good grief!! Could this be any more > ridiculous? > > Alice is nice enough to give her time but can't shut someone else up and then > talk about the same thing. Sorry, but she's an administrator, not the queen. > And if she thinks clipping and saving obits about people who are connected to > no one is more interesting than "stories" then what can I say? As for the > obits, Deb is pretty amazing to have the time to access the Internet 18 > separate times in one day to post obits about strangers instead of posting > one list of names and waiting to hear from people who need them. And was > that tirade geneological? What's up with the > "Who's with me" Che Guevarra? > > NOW, here's a free offer (and a geneological topic, though not about > Jefferson County): My main research work is in Philly. I'm currently going > through death indexes from 1887-1889. The surnames are clumped by 1st > letter, though not alphabetical. You find the surname, first name, and a > page number. Then you need the microfilms for the actual death registrations > and you look up the page, then the name. The info given includes age, date of > death, cause, parents (if a child), address, cemetery. If anyone would like > a look-up in the index only, write to me off the list. > > Now let's play nice. > Merle > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Send Messages for the Jefferson County PA discussion list to [email protected] -- Alice J. Gayley Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/armstrong Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/clearfield Jefferson County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

The question of reason for migration was the original issue. Both Eileen and Mac have pointed out the uselessness of asking the list this question in reference to a specific ancestor, though wanting to know why people in general migrated to an area seems valid. Enter Mac and his anecdote re the issue. His point was valid, i.e. people migrant for any one of a zillion reasons. The only public objection to his story was from the list administrator who said it was not geneological, then proceeded to tell her own, albeit much shorter, story. Note that this objection was public. Mac then objected publicly in response, which I'm afraid seems only right. If the administrator wants to correct privately then the response should be private, but one cannot expect a public rebuke to be acceptable then deny the rebuked one the right to respond publicly. People, people, people!!!! This list hasn't averaged 2 e-mails a day for the last year and a half!!! To be honest, my Jefferson County line is virtually done, but I subscribed to this list to learn something about Jefferson County and maybe pick up a few odds and ends. Do you know what I've gotten in all this time? A referral to Pat Steele (and G-d bless her!!), which I could have gotten from my local library. If I had had to bet, I would have guessed that there were no more than a few subscribers and was surprised from the roll call to learn how many people are on this list. So, folks, we've got what? 50? 100? people subscribed and we can go weeks without a single message. I'm on a bunch of lists and nothing compares to this lack of involvement. Then someone tries to perk things up and we're going to start quibbling over what is geneology? Good grief!! Could this be any more ridiculous? Alice is nice enough to give her time but can't shut someone else up and then talk about the same thing. Sorry, but she's an administrator, not the queen. And if she thinks clipping and saving obits about people who are connected to no one is more interesting than "stories" then what can I say? As for the obits, Deb is pretty amazing to have the time to access the Internet 18 separate times in one day to post obits about strangers instead of posting one list of names and waiting to hear from people who need them. And was that tirade geneological? What's up with the "Who's with me" Che Guevarra? NOW, here's a free offer (and a geneological topic, though not about Jefferson County): My main research work is in Philly. I'm currently going through death indexes from 1887-1889. The surnames are clumped by 1st letter, though not alphabetical. You find the surname, first name, and a page number. Then you need the microfilms for the actual death registrations and you look up the page, then the name. The info given includes age, date of death, cause, parents (if a child), address, cemetery. If anyone would like a look-up in the index only, write to me off the list. Now let's play nice. Merle

Hi Karen, Yes, the obits are being collected, and eventually will be added to the Obituary Query Board on the Jefferson County site. The board is located at: http://www.pa-roots.com/cgi-bin/data/jeffersonobit.cgi If you have any you'd like to add to the boards, please do so. Alice Karen Semencar wrote: > > Isn't there a place on the Jefferson County GenWeb for obits to be put in? Maybe > that would solve everyones problems...

Could the persons looking for the Shaffer surname please contact me off list? I have a question for you. Thank you. Deb

Isn't there a place on the Jefferson County GenWeb for obits to be put in? Maybe that would solve everyones problems... [email protected] wrote: > Sorry, Alice, but you didn't ask me to identify the subject. What you said > was this: > > <<Your story was amusing, Mac, and as Sherry points out, every family > seems to have "a character" who stands out from the rest. We don't mind > a funny story now and then, but, in the future, please identify it as > such by putting "OFF TOPIC" or "FAMILY STORIES". By doing so, you give > those that aren't interested the opportunity to use their Delete key. > > Now let's get back to genealogy.>> > > You allowed a question, allowed other answers, then told me that MY answer > was "OFF TOPIC," and then went on to tell the following about your OWN > family: > > <<At the age of about 18 my g-grandfather came to Jefferson County in 1850 > with his Uncle to "seek his fortune" in lumbering. A year later his > mother died in the Yellow Fever epidemic that was raging in > Philadelphia, and his father (my g-g-grandfather) moved the rest of his > family to Jefferson County to be near to his older son.>> > > Don't you see something wrong with this? > > And, I repeat, there are rarely any messages to this list and I think it was > a good idea to stimulate some conversation. Don't you? > > OF COURSE obituaries are important! Offering the information in one is fine > but 18 separate e-mails in one day from one person? Don't you see something > wrong with that? > > Alice, take a minute and think this over. > > Mac > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Jefferson County Genealogy Project by clicking below: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson/

It seems that those who choose to respond to this thread are missing the entire point of the thread. They either jumped in in the middle or just have poor reading comprehension skills. The problem isn't/wasn't the obits, per se. Migration trends are genealogy (although the question "why did my particular ancestor migrate to a particular area is a rather useless question to ask people on a list. The answer remains with the migrant ancestor. Unless there are diaries or letters with the explanation, it is anybody's guess and that is exactly what it is.....a guess); historical events is genealogy; socio-economic conditions and trends is genealogy; source documentation is genealogy; obituaries are genealogy; legal records (deeds, wills, other court proceedings) are genealogy; even family stories are genealogy. The bottom line is that people complain about a subject when that subject does NOT pertain to them and their research. They never think twice about chatting repeatedly back and forth, on list, when the subject involves or interests them. I think that it is probably time to put this topic to bed. Eileen Irwin Mesa, AZ Karen Semencar wrote: > > Isn't there a place on the Jefferson County GenWeb for obits to be put in? Maybe > that would solve everyones problems... > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Sorry, Alice, but you didn't ask me to identify the subject. What you said > > was this: > > > > <<Your story was amusing, Mac, and as Sherry points out, every family > > seems to have "a character" who stands out from the rest. We don't mind > > a funny story now and then, but, in the future, please identify it as > > such by putting "OFF TOPIC" or "FAMILY STORIES". By doing so, you give > > those that aren't interested the opportunity to use their Delete key. > > > > Now let's get back to genealogy.>> > > > > You allowed a question, allowed other answers, then told me that MY answer > > was "OFF TOPIC," and then went on to tell the following about your OWN > > family: > > > > <<At the age of about 18 my g-grandfather came to Jefferson County in 1850 > > with his Uncle to "seek his fortune" in lumbering. A year later his > > mother died in the Yellow Fever epidemic that was raging in > > Philadelphia, and his father (my g-g-grandfather) moved the rest of his > > family to Jefferson County to be near to his older son.>> > > > > Don't you see something wrong with this? > > > > And, I repeat, there are rarely any messages to this list and I think it was > > a good idea to stimulate some conversation. Don't you? > > > > OF COURSE obituaries are important! Offering the information in one is fine > > but 18 separate e-mails in one day from one person? Don't you see something > > wrong with that? > > > > Alice, take a minute and think this over. > > > > Mac > > > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Visit the Jefferson County Genealogy Project by clicking below: > > http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson/ > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Visit the Jefferson County Genealogy Project by clicking below: > http://www.pa-roots.com/~jefferson/ ---------------------------------------------------- NetZero Platinum Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97

Deb - Thanks - I believe the Mottern is my Grandparents!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Married: MOTTERN & SHICK > Another marriage announcement. I don't know what paper it comes from. Hope it > helps someone. > Deb > > JOHN MOTTERN, 35y born in Northumberland County a farmer in Worthville, son > of JOHN and REBECCA MOTTERN married SARAH E. SHICK 19y spinster born in > Ringgold, daughter of GOERGE and HANNAH SHICK by W. H. YODER Justice of the > Piece on March 20, 1890. > > > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Send Messages for the Jefferson County PA discussion list to [email protected] >

My Jefferson county names are: FIRMENT GULISH LICHVARCIK SWISHER

Crabby baby - I have Milliron if interested. Sylvia

Hello , Thank you Alice for all you do for this Web Address list. It is greatly appreciated. You do alot for so many. My family and there surnames thank you. I would easily call the next roll call in your honor. But I will not. But I thank you for your efforts. Just a simple thanks. .... Thanks Alice. Carson, Condon, Danner, Delong, Deemer,Douthit, Foltz, Snell, Strawley, Many names. Thank you Alice . It is greatly appreciated. ED

List, Is there a kind soul out there with the 1900 Jefferson Co, PA SK-Pub census CD on hand? I realize that the 1900 images are online, but they're pathetically small, and too difficult to read. SK-Pub has a good marketing ploy... they "donate" images that are just large enough to make out a few details, but too small to use effectively or reliably... obviously in attempt to entice you into purchasing the larger images on CD. Bravo. I need a lookup on page 78-15b (Rose Twp). I'm specifically interested in 2 families: The family of Frank Brocius starting on line 83, and the family of S. (?) Edwards beginning on line 91. If it's not too much trouble, could I get the following columns: Name Relationship Birth Month/Year Age TIA, Mark Holt.

I am a descendant of Daniel Brewer (1763-1842); Samuel States (abt 1777-abt 1829) Searching for descendants of Archibald Hanna (abt 1740-1793) and his wife Margaret Brady. Believe Samuel States (above) married their youngest child (Hannah Hanna) and produced Archibald States (1800-1875). Mother probably died in childbirth as Samuel remarried. Other children of Archibald and Margaret were William, Hugh and May who married Robert Williams. Any information on these families would be welcome. Been searching the States side off and on for over 45 years and have data and thoughts to share. Jerilyn

Hi.. I am researching the following lines: GEIST MILLIRON MOTTERN BODDORF PROCIOUS WEAVER WEISS CRIBBS BROCIOUS KUNSELMAN MINICH SHADE ALSO ANOTHER SIDE: REESMAN DRUMMOND HYNDES OR HINES BRUEBAKER ELKIN MOGLE HANLEY CRAFT RUTH HAMAKER FULTON LUCAS KELLERT BRADY-DAURER THANKS ROBIN

The obits that have been posted to this list recently are being collected, and eventually they will be added to our Obituary Query Board on the Jefferson County site. Alice [email protected] wrote: > > Here's my two cents...Obituaries are a great help. Everyone appreciates the > postings. But why not index them? I think Mac has a point. > > By the way, I am in contact with two people who are directly related because > of the roll call. Thanks to the roll call. I'm a lot farther along because of > it. Karen > > ==== PAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Send Messages for the Jefferson County PA discussion list to [email protected] -- Alice J. Gayley Armstrong County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/armstrong Clearfield County Genealogy Project Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/clearfield Jefferson County Genealogy Project Co-Coordinator http://www.pa-roots.com/jefferson Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html PA-Roots.com Co-Host http://www.pa-roots.com

Here's my two cents...Obituaries are a great help. Everyone appreciates the postings. But why not index them? I think Mac has a point. By the way, I am in contact with two people who are directly related because of the roll call. Thanks to the roll call. I'm a lot farther along because of it. Karen