I worked with a Doris Schrengost at Indiana Hospital many years ago...can't remember what her husbands name was though? Scottie -------------- Original message -------------- From: Connie <[email protected]> > Hi John: > > You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or however > you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles Washington > Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think an aunt who > married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is one of the ones I > have a lot of problem with. They are all the same people from over there in > Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of them that. Welcome to the fun > of genealogy! Connie > -----Original Message----- > >From: Schreck > >Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of > thePastCemeteryListings > > > >From: John Schrecongost [email protected] > >Subject: Errors > >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when we > >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and > >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter > >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I > >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert > >spelling to add results, so much fun. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ann monastra" > >To: "Connie" ; > >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM > >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of > >thePastCemeteryListings > > > > > >>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work > >>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages > >>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a > >>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. > >> > >> Ann > >> > >> Connie wrote: > >> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never > >> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of > >> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings > >> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After > >> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got > >> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do > >> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible > >> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into > >> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register > >> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on > >> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After > >> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are > >> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. > >> We will record and take phot! > >> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If > >> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if > >> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only > >> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude > >> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 > >> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan > >> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the > >> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The > >> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on > >> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping > >> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of > >> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were > >> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. > >> Also the Frech cemetery i! > >> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list > >> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she > >> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much > >> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for > >> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides > >> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. > >> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of > >> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that > >> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other > >> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than > >> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and > >> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had > >> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own > >> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think > >> that the local paper was eith! > >> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these > >> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been > >> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were > >> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed > >> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse > >> and copy them. That I am not doing. > >> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does > >> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to > >> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the > >> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she > >> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the > >> researcher found just what I did--nothing. > >> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then > >> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a > >> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being > >> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is > >> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. > >> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of > >> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very > >> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>>From: Janet Tabares > >>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM > >>>To: [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the > >>>PastCemeteryListings > >>> > >>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you > >>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is > >>>listed > >>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the > >>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or > >>>the > >>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information > >>>and > >>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers > >>>to > >>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. > >>> > >>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information > >>>passed > >>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found > >>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. > >>>I've > >>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy > >>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted > >>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with > >>>the > >>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been > >>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in > >>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or > >>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, > >>>and > >>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong > >>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant > >>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records > >>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided > >>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during > >>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was > >>>put > >>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure > >>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there > >>>were > >>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the > >>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for > >>>errors. > >>> > >>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as > >>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank > >>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research > >>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, > >>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to > >>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder > >>>what > >>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that > >>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? > >>>The > >>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me > >>>that > >>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is > >>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their > >>>family > >>>never left the area. > >>> > >>>Janet Tabares > >>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [email protected] > >>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker > >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM > >>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the > >>>PastCemeteryListings > >>> > >>> > >>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, > >>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of > >>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. > >>> > >>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology > >>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including > >>>Census > >>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should > >>>take > >>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't > >>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A > >>>STARTING > >>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... > >>> > >>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same > >>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death > >>>Records, Tombstones. > >>> > >>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a > >>>SOURCE . . . > >>> > >>>TJ Shumaker > >>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: > >>>To: > >> > >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM > >>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past > >>>CemeteryListings > >>> > >>> > >>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >>>> > >>>> Author: geneman1 > >>>> Surnames: > >>>> Classification: queries > >>>> > >>>> Message Board URL: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti > >>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx > >>>> > >>>> Message Board Post: > >>>> > >>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. > >>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> PeoplePC Online > >> A better way to Internet > >> http://www.peoplepc.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message