This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PGP1910 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.indiana/6265.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a long shot I'm going to throw out here--remember it's a stretch. According to the following newpaper article Sadie would have been born about 1860. THE OBSERVER-JOURNAL, Dunkirk, NY Pg. 1 Wednesday, October 19, 1887 Shot His Mistress. PITTSBURGH, Oct. 19.- At ten o'clock last night Sadie Pruner, alias Sadie Jones, was shot and almost instantly killed in the doorway of No 128 Third avenue by Joseph Evans, aged twenty-one years. The woman was twenty-seven years old and had been an inmate of disreputable houses several years. Evans was her lover. They quarreled about a month ago and did not meet again until last night when Evans sent for her. She came to the door of the house and after talking hotly for a few minutes Evans shot her. He was arrested. According to Bert's WW II Draft Registration Card it states he was born in Blair Co. 15 Oct 1877 [indexed as 1878, looks like 1878 was written first then 1877 was written over the 1878] In the 1880 census for Logan Twp., Blair County there is a Henry W. Pruner, age 21 b. PA and his wife Sarah E., age 20 b. PA listed. No children listed. Your are looking for a William and Sadie. Henry W.'s middle name could have been William and Sadie is a nickname for Sarah. Then we come to Bert's birthdate, here is part of the "stretch." Could he have been born in 1880 and that is why he isn't listed? According to his gravestone he was born in 1875--his mother would have been 15 at the time of his birth if you go by her age in the article. The 1877/1878 birth year from the WW II registation is a little better. If it was the 1880's, you were under age 10, faced with the trauma of losing your mother and placed in an orphanage for any length of time, especially if it was years---would you remember how old you were? I saw in an old postings that Bert had siblings, William and Ann. William was b. May 1882 any idea when Ann was born? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.