Hi John: You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie -----Original Message----- >From: Schreck <[email protected]> >Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of thePastCemeteryListings > >From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >Subject: Errors >Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when we >moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter >wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I >know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >spelling to add results, so much fun. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >thePastCemeteryListings > > >>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the work >>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages >>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >> >> Ann >> >> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot of >> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. After >> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info got >> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do >> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost impossible >> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into >> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to register >> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on >> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After >> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we are >> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to do. >> We will record and take phot! >> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. If >> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if >> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only >> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude >> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 >> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not plan >> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the >> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The >> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan on >> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are hoping >> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some of >> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. >> Also the Frech cemetery i! >> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she >> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for >> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides >> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. >> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some of >> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out that >> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than >> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and >> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even had >> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my own >> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't think >> that the local paper was eith! >> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they were >> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B listed >> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the courthouse >> and copy them. That I am not doing. >> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who does >> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she >> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that the >> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, then >> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is a >> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot of >> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some very >> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. >> Connie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Janet Tabares >>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>PastCemeteryListings >>> >>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>listed >>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>>the >>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>>and >>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers >>>to >>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>> >>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>passed >>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>I've >>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either wanted >>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>>the >>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>>and >>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or wrong >>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the informant >>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have provided >>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor during >>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was >>>put >>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make sure >>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>>were >>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>>errors. >>> >>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check as >>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I thank >>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for research >>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, Connecticut, >>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford to >>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>what >>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher that >>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? >>>The >>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>>that >>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>family >>>never left the area. >>> >>>Janet Tabares >>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>PastCemeteryListings >>> >>> >>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>> >>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing Geneaology >>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>Census >>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>take >>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>STARTING >>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>> >>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the same >>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>Records, Tombstones. >>> >>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >>>SOURCE . . . >>> >>>TJ Shumaker >>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: >>>To: >> >>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>CemeteryListings >>> >>> >>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>> >>>> Author: geneman1 >>>> Surnames: >>>> Classification: queries >>>> >>>> Message Board URL: >>>> >>>> >>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>> >>>> Message Board Post: >>>> >>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured Information. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

You know I had an Anne McCurdy(b. 1847) that married Emaniel Schreckengost and died within a few years. Never could place her with the right family. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie" <[email protected]> To: "Schreck" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of thePastCemeteryListings > Hi John: > > You have my sympathy. I have an aunt who married Geo Schreckengost (or > however you want to spell it) Also, Margaret Weaver who married Miles > Washington Schreckengost (ditto) and a whole lot more on my tree. I think > an aunt who married Eli. I have several surnames like that but yours is > one of the ones I have a lot of problem with. They are all the same > people from over there in Armstrong Co, but.... don't try to tell some of > them that. Welcome to the fun of genealogy! Connie > -----Original Message----- >>From: Schreck <[email protected]> >>Sent: May 30, 2007 10:16 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>thePastCemeteryListings >> >>From: John Schrecongost [email protected] >>Subject: Errors >>Talk about a headache, try my name. The spelling first changed 1805 when >>we >>moved to Armstrong, from there the family spread out over the county and >>changed the spelling even more. I know of an obituary that got one letter >>wrong and that changes the family and everybody is wrong from there on. I >>know I'm right because I know the grandson. Search engines will covert >>spelling to add results, so much fun. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "ann monastra" <[email protected]> >>To: "Connie" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:02 PM >>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of >>thePastCemeteryListings >> >> >>>I also have found Treaures to be a helpful site and appreciate all the >>>work >>>that goes into posting the information. My concern is about the messages >>>that are "gate-wayed" with the notation that the poster may not be a >>>member. Also the anonymous nature of the messages is a bit unsettling. >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> Connie <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I don't think I could have said it better Janet. Treasures has never >>> assumed that all of the information on the site is correct. And, a lot >>> of >>> the info is contributed by others. We try to get the cemetery listings >>> correct as far as we can read them. There are I am sure typos also. >>> After >>> all this site has had to move several times, and once we know the info >>> got >>> jumbled and a lot of work had to be redone. This is no fun! Who else do >>> you know who will go out search out cemeteries that are almost >>> impossible >>> to get into and are on private land. We always get permission to go into >>> the cemeteries on private land and many times we are asked not to >>> register >>> where they are located as the owner does not want people trespassing on >>> his property. We are always happy to oblige them, in this matter. After >>> all they didn't remove the stones as we have also found. Right now we >>> are >>> planning to do one of these cemeteries that we have been requested to >>> do. >>> We will record and take phot! >>> os of each stone and put them up, as we are doing on small cemeteries. >>> If >>> someone wants us to recheck a cemetery or stone we will also do that, if >>> it is out of town we insist on being reimbursed for travel. That is only >>> fair with gas prices what they are. We hope to finish SS Simon and Jude >>> sometime this summer. Carla has had three foot surgeries since Dec 2004 >>> and we have not been able to get out and do the cemeteries. We do not >>> plan >>> on doing St Bernards in Indiana as I understand you can now write to the >>> church and get the info, something you could not do until recently. The >>> old Catholic cemetery is most illegible and we do not at this time plan >>> on >>> doing it. St Matthews in Saltsburg is not on our todo list. We are >>> hoping >>> to get to Edri but that will require a guide and again permission. Some >>> of >>> Douglass has been sent to us and the picture have been put up. We were >>> told there would be more but so far what you see is what we have gotten. >>> Also the Frech cemetery i! >>> s out of reach and we will have to rely on old recordings. These list >>> ing are up there to help, not prove anything. Janet said it all when she >>> said records do not agree. We do our best. I think I realized how much >>> public records can be wrong when I tried to copy the marriage idexes for >>> Indiana Co. Some were recorded in the grooms books and not in the brides >>> books, and vice versa. Also, names were recorded differently and dates. >>> that is wry the information is listing on treasures the way it is. Some >>> of >>> names in my own family were messed up and a friend of ours found out >>> that >>> his marriage is listed in either brides or grooms and not in the other >>> one. I usually will look to Bible Records as to being more accurate than >>> others but then those records can be wrong as people were not so day and >>> date conscious a hundred years ago as we are today. Not everyone even >>> had >>> a calendar. Right now I am reading early Indiana papers for info on my >>> own >>> family and am finding disagreements on information in them so don't >>> think >>> that the local paper was eith! >>> er correct or wrong. At some time some of the gleanings from these >>> readings will be posted to the site, some of which have also been >>> furnished to us. Not doing too well on my family, I don't think they >>> were >>> very newsworthy. Also a cousin ask me to make a list of the F and B >>> listed >>> in the paper to be put up. Actually she wanted me to go to the >>> courthouse >>> and copy them. That I am not doing. >>> I think you are correct Janet, this is probably a paid researcher who >>> does >>> not want anyone to get anything free. A few months ago I went to >>> courthouse and looked up info for a relative and found nothing on the >>> people she was looking, She then contacted a paid researcher because she >>> could not believe there was nothing on these people only to find that >>> the >>> researcher found just what I did--nothing. >>> Use the info as a basis just as you would ancestry or any other site, >>> then >>> try to prove or disprove it. That can even be a problem. Also, there is >>> a >>> lot of misinformation on the trees on ancestry because this is being >>> furnished by those who did the research. Nothing in this world is >>> absolute, nothing. Just have fun with what you are doing or forget it. >>> I've been doing this for over 38 yrs. I have had a lot of fun and a lot >>> of >>> frustration. Traveled many miles and seen lots of place and met some >>> very >>> nice people. It is interesting and life is not boring. Have a good day. >>> Connie >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>From: Janet Tabares >>>>Sent: May 29, 2007 8:23 AM >>>>To: [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>>I agree, use these as a starting point. And if you find a grave that you >>>>are interested in, you can search findagrave and see if the person is >>>>listed >>>>there. You can also list the find and do a photo request, can use the >>>>information to contact the local historical/genealogical society and/or >>>>the >>>>cemetery itself and query them to see if they have the same information >>>>and >>>>if so what the documentation for it is. You can search online newspapers >>>>to >>>>see if there is corroborating evidence listed there. >>>> >>>>I wonder if the person that posted the warning has family information >>>>passed >>>>down to him/her that may/may not be correct and since what he/she found >>>>doesn't match what he/she has his/her personal research is threatened. >>>>I've >>>>run across this especially with beginning genealogists. "Aunt Betsy >>>>said...." and it turns out that Aunt Betsy told you what she either >>>>wanted >>>>to believe or what she thought would make a good story. This along with >>>>the >>>>assurance of a new genealogist that their family name has ALWAYS been >>>>spelled ____ . Another thing, just because the information is wrong in >>>>someone's opinion, it doesn't mean that the information was made up or >>>>perhaps even typed wrong. Dates and names may not be correct on stones, >>>>and >>>>they didn't just chuck the stone if a name or date was misspelled or >>>>wrong >>>>until recently. The stone cutter cut what he was told to. If the >>>>informant >>>>had incorrect information then that's what was passed on. Census records >>>>have errors because if the family wasn't home a neighbor may have >>>>provided >>>>the names/ages etc. This still occurs - I was an Office Supervisor >>>>during >>>>the 2000 Census and I can honestly say, that a very concerted effort was >>>>put >>>>into getting the forms filled out and there were spot checks to make >>>>sure >>>>that the enumerators weren't just making up information. Even so, there >>>>were >>>>some households where the only information we were able to get was the >>>>population count given by neighbors. All records have a possibility for >>>>errors. >>>> >>>>As they say, document what you found and where you found it, and check >>>>as >>>>many other sources that you can to corroborate what you've found. I >>>>thank >>>>everyone that has posted records on the internet as my funds for >>>>research >>>>are very limited, and I can't afford to fly to Pennsylvania, >>>>Connecticut, >>>>etc from Texas everytime I want to check a record. I also can't afford >>>>to >>>>hire a researcher in the area. Just reading the warning made me wonder >>>>what >>>>the motive was for posting it. Could it be a professional researcher >>>>that >>>>is angry that their business is threatened by records appearing online?? >>>>The >>>>fact that this person says that 70% of the records are wrong says to me >>>>that >>>>its an attempt to discredit the website. No one researching a family is >>>>going to be looking at 70% of the records on a website, even if their >>>>family >>>>never left the area. >>>> >>>>Janet Tabares >>>>http://janetaba.tripod.com/gen/index.html >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [email protected] >>>>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of TJ Shumaker >>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM >>>>To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>Subject: Re: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the >>>>PastCemeteryListings >>>> >>>> >>>>Yes - Treasures of the Past has errors - So does the National Archives, >>>>Mormon Records and many others - At the same time, I've found a lot of >>>>useful information and leads which I would have never found otherwise. >>>> >>>>I don't mean to critized this but anyone (ANYONE) who is doing >>>>Geneaology >>>>(or taking Genealogy) off of the internet from any source (including >>>>Census >>>>records, military records, Mormon Records, personal files, etc) should >>>>take >>>>them all with a grain of salt - - AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT ERRORS. Don't >>>>count on the Internet to document your family history - USE IT AS A >>>>STARTING >>>>POINT - NOT DOCUMENTATION..... >>>> >>>>I have Civil War Records with different birth and death dates for the >>>>same >>>>individual in the same file, which coflict with Bible Records, Death >>>>Records, Tombstones. >>>> >>>>And individuals make mistakes typing - Use the NET as a RESOURCE - not a >>>>SOURCE . . . >>>> >>>>TJ Shumaker >>>>http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring/index.htm >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: >>>>To: >>> >>>>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM >>>>Subject: [PAINDIAN] Don't EVER rely on Treasures of the Past >>>>CemeteryListings >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>>> >>>>> Author: geneman1 >>>>> Surnames: >>>>> Classification: queries >>>>> >>>>> Message Board URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counti >>>>es.indiana/6283.1.1/mb.ashx >>>>> >>>>> Message Board Post: >>>>> >>>>> I have found as high as 70% mistakes in them. >>>>> Wrong Names, Wrong Dates, Wrong Relationships, Manufactured >>>>> Information. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> PeoplePC Online >>> A better way to Internet >>> http://www.peoplepc.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---